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RNC Sues Google Over Spam Email Filters (reuters.com) 213

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Reuters: The Republican National Committee (RNC) filed a lawsuit against Alphabet's Google on Friday for allegedly sending its emails to users' spam folders. The U.S. political committee accuses the tech giant of "discriminating" against it by "throttling its email messages because of the RNC's political affiliation and views," according to a lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in California. "Google has relegated millions of RNC emails en masse to potential donors' and supporters' spam folders during pivotal points in election fundraising and community building," the RNC said in the lawsuit. Google rejected the claims.

Spam filters on email services typically weed out unsolicited "spam" messages and divert them to a separate folder. The RNC said that for most of the month, nearly all of its emails end up in users' inboxes but at the end of the month, which is an important time for fund-raising, nearly all of their emails end up in spam folders. "Critically, and suspiciously, this end of the month period is historically when the RNC's fundraising is most successful," the lawsuit said, adding that it does not matter whether the email is about donating, voting or community outreach. The committee said the "discrimination" had been going on for about 10 months despite its best efforts to work with Google. It said the alleged routing of its emails to spam folders had eaten up revenue and that more money would be lost in coming weeks as midterm elections loom.
"As we have repeatedly said, we simply don't filter emails based on political affiliation. Gmail's spam filters reflect users' actions," Google spokesperson Jose Castaneda said in a statement. "We provide training and guidelines to campaigns, we recently launched an FEC-approved pilot for political senders, and we continue to work to maximize email deliverability while minimizing unwanted spam," he said, referring to the Federal Election Commission.

Further reading: US Approves Google Plan To Let Political Emails Bypass Gmail Spam Filter
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RNC Sues Google Over Spam Email Filters

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  • by BishopBerkeley ( 734647 ) on Monday October 24, 2022 @06:07PM (#62994861) Journal

    Users are probably the ones marking GOP emails as spam. One wonders if the GOP PR gamble will blow up in their face.

    • by splutty ( 43475 ) on Monday October 24, 2022 @06:11PM (#62994869)

      I really really hope they get utterly hammered, and that we get to a point where ALL political email ends up in the spam box where it belongs.

      And the "We're getting censored!" refrain is getting really old, especially when the opposite generally happens.

      • by arglebargle_xiv ( 2212710 ) on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @12:58AM (#62995639)
        Could I join the suit to make it a class action? I hold the political view that everyone should be entitled to a larger penis from a range of my very reasonably-priced products, but for some reason Google keeps sending my protected political speech to the spam folder. I know some people who hold the political view that everyone should be entitled to a long-lasting erection at a better price than any other pill vendor and their political speech is also relentlessly blocked by Google. We could all join the RNC suit to ensure that we're treated fairly by Google.
      • Re: (Score:2, Flamebait)

        by Darinbob ( 1142669 )

        There's been some blindness for some time there. They assume they're the most popular party, and the most popular people, and that everyone wants to invite them for a drink. But when it doesn't happen, well then, it can't because because they aren't liked but because someone is working against them.

        I see this a lot, and well into the past as well. Back in the 80s even, there were always a few R candidates in California would whine like crazy when they lost an election, even if it was a primary against ot

    • by quonset ( 4839537 ) on Monday October 24, 2022 @06:18PM (#62994885)

      Users are probably the ones marking GOP emails as spam. One wonders if the GOP PR gamble will blow up in their face.

      In another, more complete article [usatoday.com], that is exactly what Google is claiming. That people are manually identifying these emails as spam.

      Google, in a statement, denied the charges. “As we have repeatedly said, we simply don’t filter emails based on political affiliation. Gmail’s spam filters reflect users’ actions," said spokesperson José Castañeda, adding that the company provides training and guidelines to campaigns and works to "maximize email deliverability while minimizing unwanted spam."

      What's really happening is Republicans will once again whine the election is rigged, even though they themselves have passed laws to rig the elections in their favor.

      • It's only cheating if the other ones do it.

        I could also have said "takes one to know one".

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          "Blatant hypocrisy is OK when _we_ do it!!"

          IMHO this is the tell of a party who cares *only* about power, and not about the country, or principles.

          • by BishopBerkeley ( 734647 ) on Monday October 24, 2022 @08:44PM (#62995253) Journal

            By extension, they don't care about capitalism, open markets, competition or even truth.

            • Well... yeah.

              Capitalism is only good as long as it fills my pockets. It sure isn't when suddenly that other pesky parts come into play. Open markets are great as long as I'm the top dog and can kick everyone around, but rest assured I cry foul and beg for bailouts when (not if) I misjudge something. Competition is good, at least as long as I'm the one who gets to spank the competitors around and buy them out if they get pesky, but it sure isn't when it actually becomes competition.

              And truth is good, as long

    • by fermion ( 181285 ) on Monday October 24, 2022 @06:26PM (#62994903) Homepage Journal
      They are all but admitting they are a criminal organization. It is like suing twitter because you are not allowed to call for the assignation of the Vice president of the United States.

      I got signed up for some political announcements. It is the worst spam I get. They donâ(TM)t respect unsubscribe. If you say STOP, the texts just come in through another number.

      Google is a private firm that needs users email to generate advertising. All email providers are very aggressive at filtering now. O political party get to force a private company to force the party product on the users.

      • This a hundred times. I wish there was a text message spam filter instead of by number. My basic instinct is to NOT vote for people who spam me with unsolicited texts.
        • This a hundred times. I wish there was a text message spam filter instead of by number

          My Pixel phone identifies spammy text messages as Spam.

      • It is like suing twitter because you are not allowed to call for the assignation of the Vice president of the United States.

        Anyone hoping for an assignation with Mike Pence clearly has bigger problems.

    • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Monday October 24, 2022 @06:29PM (#62994905)
      If it does don't just do what they always do and accuse the Democrats at doing it instead. Then pundits will go on Fox News and start just asking questions and we'll all forget that it was really the Republicans who wanted to spam the hell out of us and blame Joe Biden.

      They've been running this playbook since the mid 80s and it's worked since then. I don't see any reason why they're going to stop
    • by kdekorte ( 8768 )
      I know I am getting emails and texts from GOP candidates and I am pretty sure I didn't sign up for them as I am not registered with any party.
    • by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Monday October 24, 2022 @06:49PM (#62994983)

      Users are probably the ones marking GOP emails as spam.

      At least one user (me) certainly is doing this.

      I am getting several political emails a day in my work inbox. They are pretty much all from Republicans, and most seem to be affiliated with some entity called "Patriots for Victory".

      I don't know if the candidates themselves are hiring this group of bozos, but if they are they should probably ask for a refund. I've never been a member of either political party. I live in Washington state. I have never lived in Georgia, nor in Florida, nor in Utah. So why am I getting spammed regarding sending money to Herschell Walker, Ron DeSantis, or whatever the Utah guy's name is?

      These emails are spam and deserve to be treated as such.

      • "I have never lived in Georgia, nor in Florida, nor in Utah. So why am I getting spammed regarding sending money to Herschell Walker, Ron DeSantis, or whatever the Utah guy's name is?"

        It's the lure of easy money. The money can cross state lines, even though your vote can't. They know it, so they are willing to spend a pittance to spam people to try to hit the jackpot. This probably normally pays off for them, absent the functioning spam filters.

        Also, they are bozos.
    • Specifically, Trump emails. I know several people (notably older adults) who have been spammed by various political parties over the years, and the Trump emails are the most-common.

    • by Burdell ( 228580 ) on Monday October 24, 2022 @08:45PM (#62995257)

      Yep. I've received multiple GOP political spams to a Gmail address that I never give out (I have my own domains for personal email). They follow a common format, starting with this exact boilerplate:

      PLEASE READ: This email is protected speech under US Constitution First Amendment. This message is considered political speech should not be blocked or impeded from its intended recipient. IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO RECEIVE, please just opt out below, instead of marking this email as SPAM. Not opting out can hurt our delivery to other party members.

      Since I never opted-in, it's spam. Also, since I don't live in the districts for Joe Pinion (running for US Senate) or Tom Patti (running for US Congress), I can't vote against them. The least I can do is flag their junk as spam, so maybe Google will hurt their delivery as much as possible.

    • by kmoser ( 1469707 ) on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @01:14AM (#62995669)
      Sending emails to spam that originate from the party of racists and misogynists? That's not discrimination, that's "content moderation".
  • It *is* SPAM (Score:5, Informative)

    by Gibgezr ( 2025238 ) on Monday October 24, 2022 @06:13PM (#62994873)

    The way Gmail filters this stuff is a metric involving how many copies of the message are being delivered versus what percentage of people are deleting it. Once you pass a threshold on both of those, they are assuming that by definition the message is spam. They are technically very correct in that assessment. System working as intended, carry on.

    • by eth1 ( 94901 )

      The way Gmail filters this stuff is a metric involving how many copies of the message are being delivered versus what percentage of people are deleting it. Once you pass a threshold on both of those, they are assuming that by definition the message is spam. They are technically very correct in that assessment. System working as intended, carry on.

      They probably change the message for a new fund drive every month - hence why the messages initially get through, but then as more people mark them as spam as the month goes on, by the end of the month they all end up in the junk folder where they belong.

  • by snowshovelboy ( 242280 ) on Monday October 24, 2022 @06:17PM (#62994879)

    If they get control of government again, they can add political affiliation to the list of protected classes, but I don't think they will like the result.

  • Simple test (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Locke2005 ( 849178 ) on Monday October 24, 2022 @06:21PM (#62994891)
    Do they filter Democrat spam emails too? Case closed!
    • Do they filter Democrat spam emails too? Case closed!

      What Democrat spam emails? I'm not getting any significant number of emails from Democratic candidates - I'm only getting these crap emails from Republicans.

      • I get a significant number of text messages asking for donations to Democrats as well as text messages telling me to vote for Republicans. It's likely I don't see the emails from DNC and RNC because the gmail and outlook spam filters work!
        • I get my share of texts and Facebook ads from Democrats begging for money too. But it's fairly rare for me to get these from the trumpsters. So probably both parties have their text and social fundraising dialed in fairly tightly. But I've just had a look in my spam folder, and I guess it's crunch time for their spammers, 'cuz I have a ton these last couple of weeks. BUT... and this is entirely unscientific and anecdotal of course... based on a couple minute's of looking, I would guesstimate that for ev

      • I get them from both Democrats and Republicans but more from Democrats because I've donated to Democrats in the past. I get almost none from Republicans probably because I switched my party affiliation over a decade ago.
  • Lol (Score:5, Informative)

    by ArchieBunker ( 132337 ) on Monday October 24, 2022 @06:30PM (#62994911)

    The basis for the GOP’s allegations, which Google denies, is a March study published by researchers at North Carolina State University finding that Gmail sent 77 percent of right-wing candidate emails to spam in 2020, compared with 10 percent of left-wing candidate emails.

    • by taustin ( 171655 )

      Google's defense is to demonstrate the objective difference between the two that makes one email blast spam, and the other not. Which should be pretty simple to do, if there is one.

      • Re:Lol (Score:5, Insightful)

        by whoever57 ( 658626 ) on Monday October 24, 2022 @08:56PM (#62995289) Journal

        Google's defense is to demonstrate the objective difference between the two that makes one email blast spam, and the other not. Which should be pretty simple to do, if there is one.

        1. Google provided a method for politicians to get on a white list. Not one Republican has done this.
        2. Republicans were sending out a lot of emails without using DKIM.

        Case closed.

        This is performance art. Surely Google has the absolute right to filter Republican emails more than Democrat emails, should it choose.

    • Re:Lol (Score:5, Interesting)

      by BishopBerkeley ( 734647 ) on Monday October 24, 2022 @06:43PM (#62994961) Journal

      Did that study state why? If yes, what was the cause? It's probably users marking it spam.

      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        by Derekloffin ( 741455 )
        If so, it would probably show a deficiency in using user specification of 'spam' as it has a clear political bias. It could easily be left leaning people are far more likely to mark something as spam while right leaning are more likely to simply delete, yet they favor the left leaning activity in the labelling of spam. Could be a perfectly innocent difference, but nonetheless a seriously biased one they should address.
        • No. Because in that case, it's purely the biases and behavior of the users, not Google, causing the spam (And this IS spam, by it's very definition, we're talking about here. If there is ANY deficiency on Google's part, it is that some spam is still getting through.) to be filtered.

          • This seems like a classic case of equality (everyone gets the same standards) vs equity (everyone gets the same outcome). Generally a preference for equity is associated with the left. Ironically, here's its the right demanding it.

    • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

      by Ol Olsoc ( 1175323 )

      The basis for the GOP’s allegations, which Google denies, is a March study published by researchers at North Carolina State University finding that Gmail sent 77 percent of right-wing candidate emails to spam in 2020, compared with 10 percent of left-wing candidate emails.

      If if did, and the answer is on Hunter Biden's laptop and the plan in Hillary's missing emails, and printed on invisible ink on O'Blama's birth certificate, and on the bottom Mike Lindell's pillows - and the terrible truths the Arizona audit clearly showed. All will be clear when you piece the obvious truth together.

      I've seen the PA television ads, and if that bullshit was sent by email, you'd see Doctor Oz's stuff being sent to the bozo been based on the content.

      This is the equivalent of being screame

    • Perhaps the left-wing candidates might have been emailing people who actually wanted to hear from them instead of using the shotgun approach?

  • by bugs2squash ( 1132591 ) on Monday October 24, 2022 @06:33PM (#62994915)

    If they are from a political party or PAC and clearly marked and verified as such then gmail should not send the to the spam bucket. Instead people should see the full horror of the crap that the parties send them and choose to add their own spam filters based on the easily identified sender.

    Of course that "discriminates" against any organization that wants to hide where the crap is coming from

  • Gmail's spam filters reflect users' actions. Hahaha, very nice.

  • Political spam is still spam.

  • by buss_error ( 142273 ) on Monday October 24, 2022 @06:40PM (#62994945) Homepage Journal

    If it's not dismissed in summary judgement motion, I'd be surprised. "Failure to state a claim upon which relief can be granted."
    Alphabet is not the government. G-Mail is not a government service. Therefore there is no first amendment right here, only the right of private property. There is nothing stopping the RNC from setting up their own email infrastructure and handing out their own, free mail boxes under their own domain.

  • Spam is still spam; the content and topics don't matter. I would bet 99% are user direct spam filters.

    These twats are so stupid they really don't understand why I was a lifelong R but haven't voted that way in years.

  • "The RNC said that for most of the month, nearly all of its emails end up in users' inboxes but at the end of the month, which is an important time for fund-raising, nearly all of their emails end up in spam folders."

    You are not an immediate relative or a close friend. Those are the only people who have a right to send me email. Email is personal. Anything other than those contacts is 110% guaranteed spam. I think what you are seeing with "most people send our stuff to the spam folder" is really a side

  • by BrookSmith ( 2949941 ) on Monday October 24, 2022 @07:23PM (#62995091)

    Maybe they should sue the recipients for not wanting their spam.

  • by ArchieBunker ( 132337 ) on Monday October 24, 2022 @07:53PM (#62995145)

    Wants to use legislation to force gmail to not mark their emails as spam. https://www.techdirt.com/2022/... [techdirt.com]

    • Yes. There's an interesting current over on that side of political things right now that would like to compel speech in all kinds of places where they don't like that private individuals don't like them.

      Frankly, it's alarming.
  • If I get an email asking me to give money to a politician, I want my email service provided to promptly flag it as spam and send to spam folder. Anything related to "victory fund" or some such garbage from any party should be sent to spam folder. I don't want to see it. Ever. RNC insisting that I see it, pisses me off to no end.
    • Wait until they pass a law forcing your email provider to ensure that you see it.

      Freedom of Speech, baby. Interpreted through a new, more cynical and clockwork-orangy lens.
      • All laws include exemptions for political messages because they will never do that to themselves. I hope they force a loophole to filtering just so they can suffer the backlash when industry exploits that loophole and pisses too many people off.

        Perhaps they'll learn before they start more ill-advised tech laws.

  • These garbage emails check all of the boxes. Begging for money, selling fraudulent product, misrepresentation, poor grammar, extremely annoying frequency, shallow marketing tricks, name dropping, clickbait subject lines...

    There's also the little matter of the the people whos money you stole last time. The money you used for everything but what you said it was for....

    Turns out you guys have got some really unpopular ideas, you keep getting caught on the wrong side of pretty much everything. Your emails are n

    • Anybody notice how they've migrated towards con artists over the last decade or more?

      I'm surprised their emails don't contain lines about buying gold or stocking up on survival gear! I'd add them mentioning end times, Armageddon, prophecy but I've seen them doing that already.

      Perhaps the AI is already smarter than 1/3 of Americans?

  • Constitutionally, it would be AWESOME if we applied some common sense to free speech, freedom of the press, and freedom of religion and realize that in the private forum we have the absolute right to plug our ears and hum loudly.

    About 5 years ago, when I still had digital cable (box) I went through and de-listed everything I had no interest in. All of the sports, 24-hour news, and super PAC channels.

    It was a blissful silence and I was able to occasionally catch the second half of a movie. Now, I stream f

  • The clitoris isn't as sensitive as a Republican on the internet.
  • It seems that most of the butthurt is coming from the virulently anti-Republican contingent here. Why would any of you (the anti-Republicans) have any meaningful first-hand experience with this sort of chicanery? Google has been caught repeatedly doing stuff like this, it continues to the present, and is easily proven. One of the more blatant examples of this is on Youtube with channels that focus on pro-Second-Amendment topics. They routinely report deep drops in subscribers at the same time regular vi

  • Wow. There's a lot of spam rage in this thread. And whilst, I agree that spam is the scourge of the internet, I am also very concerned about Google's lack of accountability for their censorship.

    Google relies on some very mysterious business partners in some very well shielded countries to filter out spam.

    A little transparency would be a good thing... and whilst, it will probably reveal that the GOP filtering is totally appropriate and justified, I would like to see the justification.
  • It sounds like Google's filtering is not working as well on "early month" Republican spam than late month spam. They should fix it so it detects and blocks more early-month spam.

    If in fact Google's spam filtering is letting more Democrat spam through than Republican spam, they need to fix that as well, by increasing how much Democrat spam is blocked. Assuming things are targeted it sounds like left-leaning users have a legitimate complaint that they don't seem to get as good of a spam blocker as Republicans

  • Par for the course of those psychopaths.
  • for most of the month, nearly all of its emails end up in users' inboxes but at the end of the month, which is an important time for fund-raising, nearly all of their emails end up in spam folders

    Well duh! That's when they're sending the most spam.

  • Given that the spam filter is driven by user actions, I can totally believe than more RNC mail gets spammed. My mother subscribed to a lot of Republican stuff, so I saw a lot of it when I cleaned up her affairs.

    Their stuff mostly reads like something written by a televangelist. Read in a fake, quavery voice: "Donate now, or it's the end of civilization!" All appeal to emotion, and always, always begging for money. Like a televangelist looking to finance his second yacht. The stuff I've seen from the Demo

  • by laird ( 2705 ) <lairdp@@@gmail...com> on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @12:46PM (#62996875) Journal

    This is the old "work the ref" right-wing strategy. By whining aggressively when they don't get special treatment, they're trying to train everyone to go out of their way to appease them in order to not have to deal with the complaining. They've been doing it for decades to the news media, so they've trained the media just to repeat what right-wingers say without providing the context (e.g. that they're lying). And now they're trying to get their spam not to get spam filtered...

  • by twocows ( 1216842 ) on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @11:37AM (#62999555)
    I'm an independent voter. I've never signed up for ANY solicitation from EITHER party. If anything, I'd say I lean slightly right of center in terms of general sympathies. And yet, I think I've gotten maybe like... one email from the DNC? Meanwhile, every single day I have to mark like ten text messages from the GOP as spam. The "stop to end" thing doesn't seem to do anything. It's infuriating. I'm almost at the point where I feel like replying "if you don't leave me alone, I will vote against your party for the rest of my life out of pure spite."

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