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Japan Orders Military To Strike Any New North Korea Missiles 107

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jones_supa (887896) writes "Japan has ordered a destroyer in the Sea of Japan to strike any ballistic missiles that may be launched by North Korea in the coming weeks after Pyongyang fired a Rodong medium-range missile over the sea. Japanese Defense Minister Itsunori Onodera issued the order on Thursday, but did not make it public in order to avoid putting a chill on renewed talks between Tokyo and Pyongyang. The Rodong missile fell into the sea after flying 650 km, short of a maximum range thought to be some 1,300 km, which means it could reach Japan. Japanese Aegis destroyers in the Sea of Japan are equipped with advanced radar equipment able to track multiple targets and carry missiles designed to take out targets at the edge of space."
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Japan Orders Military To Strike Any New North Korea Missiles

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  • Bad Neighbors (Score:4, Insightful)

    by amiga3D (567632) on Saturday April 05, 2014 @09:30AM (#46669013)

    Living near North Korea is like living next door to a crazy man who walks outside and blasts away with a semi-auto rifle occasionally. Not aiming at you but just blazing away randomly while jibbering madly.

    • Re:Bad Neighbors (Score:5, Insightful)

      by rasmusbr (2186518) on Saturday April 05, 2014 @09:53AM (#46669133)

      Living near North Korea is like living next door to a crazy man who walks outside and blasts away with a semi-auto rifle occasionally. Not aiming at you but just blazing away randomly while jibbering madly.

      Yes, but it beats living inside North Korea.

      Even if you're one of the few privileged middle class people who lead almost "normal" lives in Pyongyang you still live under the constant threat of ending up in one of the concentration camps, which can happen if someone thinks that you've said or done something that the leader clique doesn't like. Oh and by the way, they'll sometimes throw in your whole family with you, old Testament style. That is the ultimate means of how a totalitarian regime to keep the people that it has enslaved from doing anything to overthrow or reform it. Even if you manage to evade them and escape, they'll still get your family.

      Future historians will place tremendous blame on China's government for doing virtually nothing to influence its neighbor and ally to stop the atrocities in the 2000's and 2010's when they easily could have with all their new-found economic and military power.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Future historians will place tremendous blame on China's government for doing virtually nothing to influence its neighbor and ally to stop the atrocities in the 2000's and 2010's when they easily could have with all their new-found economic and military power.

        Uh, there are plenty of atrocities going on in China right now [wikipedia.org] so it's absurd to expect the current rulers in China to do anything about atrocities in North Korea. China wishes to have a buffer between its border and capitalist democracy South Korea and the suffering of the North Korean people is of no concern to them (heck, they deport refugees back to NK to a certain death sentence). In addition to being such a buffer, NK is a bargaining chip in all negotiations China has with the US, Japan and SK. China

        • by rasmusbr (2186518)

          Future historians will place tremendous blame on China's government for doing virtually nothing to influence its neighbor and ally to stop the atrocities in the 2000's and 2010's when they easily could have with all their new-found economic and military power.

          Uh, there are plenty of atrocities going on in China right now [wikipedia.org] so it's absurd to expect the current rulers in China to do anything about atrocities in North Korea. China wishes to have a buffer between its border and capitalist democracy South Korea and the suffering of the North Korean people is of no concern to them (heck, they deport refugees back to NK to a certain death sentence). In addition to being such a buffer, NK is a bargaining chip in all negotiations China has with the US, Japan and SK. China can offer to reign in NK in return for something China wants.

          Yes, but none of this is going to make China's inaction look any better to people looking back from the future at what China does (or what it doesn't do) today. The more we find out about the North Korean concentration camps the more difficult it becomes to brush it aside.

          • Re:Bad Neighbors (Score:5, Insightful)

            by cavreader (1903280) on Saturday April 05, 2014 @08:25PM (#46673189)

            Outside of a full military invasion there is not much China can do about NK. The NK hissy fits and temper tantrums hurt China more than they do the US. Do you think China wanted to see the US and it's Asian allies beefing up their missile defense systems? That's exactly what they got when NK was spouting all the BS about launching nuclear attacks against the US and anyone else who happened to be in range.

      • by mysidia (191772)

        which can happen if someone thinks that you've said or done something that the leader clique doesn't like.

        Or if someone thinks a member of your family, or one of your well-known friends or neighbors said or did something the leader clique didn't like?

        Better be part of the leader clique, or leave.....

      • by Rigel47 (2991727)
        Indeed arguing the higher moral ground can be difficult when you're an American but I can't help but feel China has blood on its hands by essentially supporting the North Korean regime. I can understand that they don't want a democratic Korean peninsula but what that fat little piglet Kim Jung does to his people is nothing short of an atrocity on the scale of the Holocaust.
        • by murdocj (543661)

          Indeed arguing the higher moral ground can be difficult when you're an American ...

          Not really

      • by argStyopa (232550)

        "Future historians will place tremendous blame on China's government ..."

        Unless, as many suspect, they'll be writing in Chinese. Then perhaps the 'memory' of events will perhaps be slightly different.

      • by gtall (79522)

        Hmmm...you mean like the historians are now exposing the 20 million or so Mao offed because he caused a famine and tolerated the Cultural Revolution?

      • by mjwx (966435)

        Even if you're one of the few privileged middle class people who lead almost "normal" lives in Pyongyang you still live under the constant threat of ending up in one of the concentration camps, which can happen if someone thinks that you've said or done something that the leader clique doesn't like.

        Please, North Korea doesn't send you to a concentration camp just because they dont like you any more.

        Now they just kill you and have done with, no messy kangaroo court, no upkeep, no requirement for new camps, simplified logistics chain.

    • by spark89 (3569393)
      [quote]Living near North Korea is like living next door to a crazy man who walks outside and blasts away with a semi-auto rifle occasionally. Not aiming at you but just blazing away randomly while jibbering madly.[/quote] Welcome to Ukraine. It's about a month since we have been siege by russians
      • by amiga3D (567632)

        At least there is a method to Putin's madness.

        • I don't see much method in riding a horse with no shirt on[1] while passing laws against homosexuals. Because if you've seen that picture, it's the second gayest thing ever.

          [1] I don't mean that I normally expect horses to wear clothes.

          • by amiga3D (567632)

            I think he just thinks he's God's gift to women. If he was gay he'd be wearing nipple rings.

          • by Rakarra (112805)

            Hello! Homosexual here. While we might snicker and say that bare-chested riding is so gay... it really isn't. Sure, many gay folks are attracted to aspects of the macho-man ethos, but I wouldn't say believing in that ethos means he's gay or even a repressed homosexual.

    • by AmiMoJo (196126) *

      Not really. I hate to say that NK is misunderstood, but it is. They don't do things due to being "crazy", they do things for the usual political reasons. The US and South Korea show off their military strength by having war games off NK's coast. The US labels a few countries part of an "axis of evil" and then invades two of them, with eyes on a third... NK feels the need for a "show of force", and launches some missiles. Note that the US launches missile tests on a regular basis too, which is why NK likes d

      • by amiga3D (567632)

        I believe his father actually had a plan. This new guy is not nearly as stable. His father was evil and cunning and he is evil and crazy. The US tests missiles too but not by flying them in the general direction of countries that they are currently having an angry dialog with. To threaten to bomb someone and then send a missile toward them is hardly the same as having a missile test or war game that has been scheduled for a year or more.

      • by ultranova (717540)

        Don't for a moment think that the country is run my crazy people, they know exactly what they are doing and every move is carefully calculated.

        MAD was and is carefully calculated yet utterly insane. It's almost - as in a single person making the final call to not launch - resulted in a nuclear war at least twice now. Nazi regime carefully calculated its movements. So did Stalin.

        Just because you are calculating doesn't mean you can't be crazy. And it especially doesn't mean you won't start wars you can't po

  • by Old VMS Junkie (739626) on Saturday April 05, 2014 @09:38AM (#46669049)
    "Relax. It's North Korea, the nation-state equivalent of the short bus."
  • They haven't succeeded yet. It's a sign that Japanese missile defence is basically nonfunctional.

    • by spark89 (3569393)

      They haven't succeeded yet.

      I think that the main problem that are trying.

  • Sounds good! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Dan East (318230) on Saturday April 05, 2014 @09:44AM (#46669087) Homepage Journal

    If North Korea wants to provide Japan with some awesome real-world testing of missile defense systems, then so be it. The data to be gleaned from both successful and unsuccessful missile intercepts is invaluable, and Kim Jong-un is extremely ignorant to give his "enemies" such wonderful opportunities to fine tune their defenses against his small variety of missile assets.

    • by Rigel47 (2991727)
      It sounds like a harmless game of Duck Hunt but it's hard to say just how insane that erratic dog Kim Jong is when it comes to retaliations for any of his tin-can missiles being shot down. Japanese take down missile? Fire a single artillery round into Seol!
    • by AmiMoJo (196126) *

      I doubt he really cares. He doesn't want an outright war, he knows he would lose. He likes testing missiles because it's what the US also likes doing to show how powerful its military capabilities are. Japan has now decided to start shooting them down because the Prime Minister wants to ultimately get rid of the non-aggression clause in the constitution.

      If anything this will just give NK an excuse to start shooting at US and SK missiles being fired as part of their regular war games off NK's coast. The stup

      • Firing missiles is North Korea's method of begging for hand-outs. It usually works.
      • by Mashiki (184564)

        I doubt he really cares. He doesn't want an outright war, he knows he would lose.

        This is the thing about leaders of countries who "don't really care." They don't also care if they lose the war either, they also don't care about the people under them. They simply care about inflicting as much harm as possible against their enemies as they can even if everyone under them dies. This is why N.Korea has so much artillery pointed at Seoul. And in turn, this is why a country like Iran regularly spouts off on the "genocide" bit while perusing nuclear weapons.

        But saying that Japan and N.Kore

        • by Rich0 (548339)

          They don't also care if they lose the war either, they also don't care about the people under them.

          Agree with the second bit, but disagree with the first. 99% of NK might live in the dark ages, but I'm sure Kim Jong-un lives a nicer life than most Americans.

          This stuff is like the daily burn the US flag thing that other countries do. It is about getting people thinking about the big bad enemy over there so that they're not busy talking about the fact that they are risking their lives if they just watch some bootleg movies. It is also about making the rest of the world reluctant to do anything, since he

  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] but which one? Anyone have anymore details?
  • by kheldan (1460303) on Saturday April 05, 2014 @10:08AM (#46669219) Journal
    Kim Jong Un is just throwing a temper-tantrum because Putin is getting all the attention right now, and how can North Korea be best Korea when it's not in the spotlight? Nothing worse in my opinion than a despotic dictator with little-dog-syndrome who is also a blatant attention whore. Meanwhile we got Putin trying to either re-form the Soviet Union, or trying to start World War III, or maybe both simultaneously. #FML.
    • Why do you think that Putin tries to start anything? That bloodless coup in Crimea has achieved several goals at the same time, there is no need to do anything else.

      Now there is no need to sell gas at discount prices in exchange for the military bases on Crimea, and, since NATO won't take members with unresolved territorial differences, there is some added security due to that. The move also secured popularity for Putin since Crimea never was seen as belonging to Ukraine by Russians.

      And now it also does not

  • by ArcadeMan (2766669) on Saturday April 05, 2014 @12:12PM (#46670081)

    Just send a dozen mechas to North Korea.

  • The Japanese did not say what the poster described. They simply said if a missile is aimed at or over Japan they reserve the right to shoot it down. They have posted a destroyer in the sea between Japan and North Korea for the purpose. The Reuters article actually says "a destroyer was dispatched to the Sea of Japan and will fire if North Korea launches a missile that Tokyo deems in danger of striking or falling on Japanese territory, the source said."

     

    • by Rich0 (548339)

      Not exactly controversial, though the thing about missile defense is that you usually have to engage them when they're well out over international waters if you want to prevent them from hitting you. So, there is a certain element of aggressiveness as you're attacking something that has not yet violated your territory.

      I'm not sure where the boost phase of these things ends either. During the boost phase itself you can only tell what general direction it is going in - if fired over your nation then the bal

  • by devent (1627873) on Saturday April 05, 2014 @01:28PM (#46670737) Homepage

    Onodera has avoided publicly announcing the new missile-intercept order so as not to put a chill on those talks, Japanese media said.

    [about the order] the source told Reuters on condition of anonymity.

    Thank you very much anonymous source for betraying your country and make peace negations more difficult with an insane regime, that threatened many times a war against South Korea and to nuke Soul.

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