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Jill Stein and Gary Johnson Debate Online Tonight 349

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Starting at 7 p.m. EDT (4 p.m. PDT), the Green and Libertarian candidates for President are debating on the Independent Voter Network. You can catch it via a Google+ hangout or Youtube both live and afterward (no word on flashless user unfortunately, unless anyone knows how to access youtube live streams). Since the big two candidates got some time here on Slashdot, we figured you guys might want to argue amongst yourselves about the third party platforms too. Note that there will be another debate with more candidates on Tuesday.
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Jill Stein and Gary Johnson Debate Online Tonight

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  • by Jerry Rivers (881171) on Thursday October 18, 2012 @07:18PM (#41699901)

    ...is kind of hot.

    Hey, I'm old.

  • They picked the wrong night

    • by macbeth66 (204889)

      The game or the debate?

  • by Maltheus (248271) on Thursday October 18, 2012 @07:50PM (#41700239)

    Democrats and Republicans can reliably count on their party line votes, regardless of how they flip flop. That's why they focus more on the "independent" vote, come election time. The only way to influence the major parties anymore, is to show a significant uptick in the third party you most support. At the very least, you can affect the talking points of the next election.

    • by nido (102070)

      Kuro5hin posted a new article this morning, on Humanity's Second-Best Hope [kuro5hin.org]. Gary Johnson is apparently our best hope, but the Machine won't let him get elected.

  • by lexman098 (1983842) on Thursday October 18, 2012 @08:42PM (#41700657)
    This isn't the first 3rd party "debate" I've seen between these candidates, and the one thing I've noticed about all of them is that they never directly address each other. This is lame.
  • "We have to do something about the gross financial inequality in this country."

    FAIL.

    *click*

    You can divide a sandwich among many men, but you cannot digest it in a collective stomach.

    • by Rockoon (1252108)

      "We have to do something about the gross financial inequality in this country." FAIL.

      I agree. As if "financial equality" is some sort of delicious treat that nobody could say no to.

      • Re:She lost me (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Anarchduke (1551707) on Friday October 19, 2012 @01:07AM (#41702065)
        It isn't about whether everyone has exactly the same amount of money. The amount of imbalance though can be unhealthy. Consider a rose. Roses grow best in an acidic soil. The optimum pH is between 6.0 and 6.5. If I just heard "roses need acidic soil" and started pouring concentrated hydrocloric acid on the base of the rose bush, it would die.
        Likewise, a certain amount of financial equality is good. Entrepreneurs and business owners can end up with quite a lot of money providing goods and services to the world. Individuals can inherit wealth and live on the interest its investment brings in. There is nothing at all wrong with this. However, when things go to an extreme they can have extreme consequences. Just like the rose bush, you need to keep things in balance in order for the economy to be healthy.

        If you try to institute a soviet/communist style control and equalize everything, you crush a lot of the incentive to achieve in an honest way. The incentive to achieve through corrupt practices will flourish, however. I use Russia/USSR as an example. If you willfully go the other way and allow the few to obtain and control the vast majority of the wealth, you eventually end up with a lot of dead wealthy people and a river of blood in the streets. I can also use Russia/USSR as an example of this as well. Also France.

        I'd kind of like to keep the rose bush alive and healthy without having to feed its roots with blood.
  • by PopeRatzo (965947) on Thursday October 18, 2012 @09:13PM (#41700841) Homepage Journal

    I guess Shaggy 2 Dope and Violent J were busy tonight.

    I doubt these two candidates sincerity, I am suspicious of their motivation and I encourage their supporters to think very carefully before voting for them.

    There is not going to be a third party that breaks into the US political system nationwide. It's not going to happen because it cannot happen. The system is specifically designed for it not to happen, and the sooner supporters of these two lunatics get that message, the better off they will be.

    On the other hand, there is certainly a place for political outsiders in the local elections, where they could actually have an impact. Most significantly, by influencing one of the two existing political parties. And it's much easier than you might think. Just about anywhere in the US, an average person could become a party committee member practically just by showing up, and once you've done that, now YOU are one of the people who picks primary candidates and who gets on the ballot and who doesn't. School boards, park district boards, but mainly members of the local party structure is the way to go.

    That's how the tea party did it. They started showing up (albeit with corporate money in their pockets) for everything from the local school board to party precinct captains to committee members, and they ended up completely taking over the entire Republican Party and bending every elected Republican to their will. Just like that.

    If you don't like the way politics works in the US, there are plenty of ways to approach changing it, but if you think you're going to do it by voting for a Libertarian or Greenie or some other third party candidate for president, you might as well just go jack off in your shoe for all the good it will do you. And that's without the rather questionable agendas of the two candidates named in this story.

    Just think: Who stands to gain the most if a bunch of people vote for Ron Johnson? Jill Stein? Do you think that fact is lost on the Republican and Democratic parties? Do any of you believe that either Johnson or Stein is going to be elected president?

    • by Dyinobal (1427207)

      The bottom line is even if they are super sincere if they got elected (if you subscribed to a multiverse theory they get elected in some universe) they would be ineffective, because you have to b eable to get the congress and the senate to agree to anything you watn to do as president for the most part.

      I like the green party for the most part, I think they are a bit too extreme in some ways but they really need to focus on local elections and not the presidential one.

    • I posted this link in this conversation already but.....voting for them won't have any more or less of an effect than voting for anyone else [reason.com]. Your vote doesn't matter.
    • I guess Shaggy 2 Dope and Violent J were busy tonight.

      I doubt these two candidates sincerity, I am suspicious of their motivation and I encourage their supporters to think very carefully before voting for them.

      There is not going to be a third party that breaks into the US political system nationwide. It's not going to happen because it cannot happen. The system is specifically designed for it not to happen, and the sooner supporters of these two lunatics get that message, the better off they will be.

      On the other hand, there is certainly a place for political outsiders in the local elections, where they could actually have an impact. Most significantly, by influencing one of the two existing political parties. And it's much easier than you might think. Just about anywhere in the US, an average person could become a party committee member practically just by showing up, and once you've done that, now YOU are one of the people who picks primary candidates and who gets on the ballot and who doesn't. School boards, park district boards, but mainly members of the local party structure is the way to go.

      That's how the tea party did it. They started showing up (albeit with corporate money in their pockets) for everything from the local school board to party precinct captains to committee members, and they ended up completely taking over the entire Republican Party and bending every elected Republican to their will. Just like that.

      If you don't like the way politics works in the US, there are plenty of ways to approach changing it, but if you think you're going to do it by voting for a Libertarian or Greenie or some other third party candidate for president, you might as well just go jack off in your shoe for all the good it will do you. And that's without the rather questionable agendas of the two candidates named in this story.

      Just think: Who stands to gain the most if a bunch of people vote for Ron Johnson? Jill Stein? Do you think that fact is lost on the Republican and Democratic parties? Do any of you believe that either Johnson or Stein is going to be elected president?

      I think that most of the people on /. take for granted much of what you've spelled out here and will choose to vote for the perceived lesser of the two major evil candidates. I will. On the other hand, I can imagine a third party actually causing change in one of the evil parties. Imagine an anti-TSA party and pretend it pulled 5% of the vote, and that most of that 5% were registered Republican (for the sake of argument). That's enough to swing the election. I imagine that the Republicans would at leas

    • by epyT-R (613989)

      if I vote gary johnson, at least I influence the next election.. if I vote obama or romney, I vote against what it is I want.. it doesn't matter if johnson doesn't have a chance of winning this time. It would be nice if he did of course, but if we don't vote rationally and by conscience, then what the fuck is the point of elections?

  • by Bosconian (158140) on Friday October 19, 2012 @01:32AM (#41702151) Journal

    Whatever happened to the avid discussions concerning Vote Swapping [wikipedia.org] and Instant Runoff Voting [wikipedia.org]? I liked when those topics were on the forefront because they gave me more hope than any of the candidates for fixing the seemingly impenetrable wall of muffled cries between the citizens' desires and the ruling bodies.

    I don't ever want to vote against. I want to vote for.

    [Sad face here]

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