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Congress Considering CISPA Amendments 85

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First time accepted submitter casac8 writes "As Friday's House vote on CISPA nears, it appears Congress members are getting nervous. Literally millions of people around the world have signed petitions voicing their opposition, and it appears Congress has heard their concerns, as House members are considering a number of amendments aimed at limiting the negative impacts the legislation would have on Internet privacy. For instance, one amendment likely to pass would tighten the bill's language to ensure its provisions are only applied in the pursuit of legit crimes and other rare instances, rather than whenever the NSA wants to target Joe Web-user. And another would increase possible liability on the parts of companies who hand personal information over to the government."
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Congress Considering CISPA Amendments

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  • by noh8rz3 (2593935)
    If only there were an option for those who don't want to be tracked by repressive governments...
    • "Free Country" (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Galestar (1473827) on Wednesday April 25, 2012 @04:41PM (#39800357)

      If only there were an option for those who don't want to be tracked by repressive governments...

      The citizenry of a "Free Country" as America claims to be should not have to resort to such measures in order to hide their day-to-day activities from their government.

    • Re:Tor (Score:5, Informative)

      by cpu6502 (1960974) on Wednesday April 25, 2012 @04:50PM (#39800467)

      Thought that Tor was outlawed by repressive governments like US (backspace, backspace) China, Iran, etc.

      Ron Paul says corporations will âact as government spiesâ(TM) under CISPA. "It represents an alarming form of corporatism, as it further intertwines government with companies like Google and Facebook." LINK - http://runronpaul.com/web-media/ron-paul-corporations-will-%E2%80%98act-as-government-spies%E2%80%99-under-cispa/ [runronpaul.com]

      • by cpu6502 (1960974)

        Modded both "troll" and "informative" on the same post. LOL. That's new.

      • Re:Tor (Score:5, Interesting)

        by shmlco (594907) on Wednesday April 25, 2012 @10:26PM (#39802945) Homepage

        Paul is -- I can't believe I'm saying this -- right.

        CISPA provides one monster carrot to those who "voluntarily" participate in CISPA, and that's immunity from ever being sued for failing to safeguard the privacy of their users.

        Have a hacker steal millions of financial records, health records, or credit card numbers, and as long as they were participating in CISPA, and sharing "threat" data, they were acting in "good faith" to secure their networks, and as such can not be sued for failing to protect their customer's personal data.

        CISPA could literally save a company millions of dollars, and that's why Google, Facebook, Microsoft, and many, many more are supporters .

        More at http://www.isights.org/2012/04/cispas-good-faith-carrot-needs-no-stick.html [isights.org]

  • by DanTheStone (1212500) on Wednesday April 25, 2012 @04:34PM (#39800241)
    I contacted my congressman to express my opposition. Anyone else?
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by SomeWhiteGuy (920943)
      Done the first day I heard this was a consideration and that all of my senators and representatives are backing the bill... Let your people know that you're watching and they'll need to answer for this. Call, email, write a letter. You can't bug these people enough.
      • by Mitreya (579078)

        Let your people know that you're watching and they'll need to answer for this.

        But what are you going to do? At best, you can throw your support behind an opponent (assuming you don't despise him or her more than the incumbent). And that threat can only be executed when the next election rolls around - could be many months away
        There should be a way to recall a politician right now.

        • by steveg (55825)

          And my congresscritter has run unopposed in this district for several years.

          Not that he'd lose -- it's a pretty hard-core right wing district, which probably why no one is likely to run against him.

        • by shentino (1139071)

          Right on.

          Waiting until the next election lets them screw us over then get the private sector to line them up a nice cushily rewarding job.

    • I contacted my congressman to express my opposition. Anyone else?

      How do I find the re-election campaign paypal account for my representatives?

      • Constituents have different weapons than lobbyists. If enough voters in your district contact you saying they're strongly opposed to a bill, the campaign money may not be worth the sacrifice.
    • by X0563511 (793323) on Wednesday April 25, 2012 @04:48PM (#39800443) Homepage Journal

      Yep.

      I'd like to take this opportunity to point these guys out [demandprogress.org], while we are on it. Also these [movetoamend.org].

    • by cpu6502 (1960974) on Wednesday April 25, 2012 @05:15PM (#39800825)

      Just done.

      "Dear congressional employee:

      "I am dissatisfied with your work. You've already proved you're delinquency by passing the Patriot Act, TARP bailouts, mandatory purchase of insurance (which I don't want), support for destruction of perfectly usable cars via Cash for Clunkers, and the NDAA "Shut up, you don't get a lawyer" provision.

      "So I won't be the least surprised if you pass CISPA, giving corporations authority to spy on my internet usage for the benefit of the Homeland Security, and thereby confirming my initial conjecture. I'll be campaigning against you in the fall. Please pack-up your desk and remove your belongs by the end of the year."

      Signed,
      Your boss,
      We the people.

      • by TheGratefulNet (143330) on Wednesday April 25, 2012 @05:31PM (#39801043)

        yeah, that letter will get results.

        I can't tell if you are trolling or not but if you were serious, you should have an adult proofread your text before you get yourself into trouble (so many gov trouble-maker lists, I can't keep track anymore).

        seriously, there is a way to deal with critters in office; and then there is your style...

        I agree with your feelings, but your methods won't accomplish what you hope.

        • by shiftless (410350)

          Go kiss ass all you want. At some point, when Congress has a 9% approval rating after people have tried and failed for years to convince and sweet talk and charm them into doing the right thing, finally you just have to talk to the pieces of shit like the pieces of shit they are. If enough angry people flood into their inboxes explaining what pieces of shit they are, eventually, something will change. It might take putting the mother fucker up against a wall and blowing his brains out, but one way or anothe

        • by cpu6502 (1960974)

          >>>seriously, there is a way to deal with critters in office; and then there is your style...

          So how many times have you changed your Congressperson to change his mind? What's that:? ZERO? Well then I guess your way is no more effective..... just as polls showed 75% of Americans opposed the TARP but the congress passed it anyway. They don't care what we say.

          So why bother being polite to them? They deserve no more politeness than a delinquent employee that you fire and toss out on the curb. "Go

    • by Mitreya (579078)

      I contacted my congressman to express my opposition. Anyone else?

      Ha!
      I'd be more impressed if anyone actually heard back something other than a canned letter "thank you for your support of CISPA" (regardless of the fact that your opinion was against it)
      What I am to do next? What we sorely, sorely need is a standardized mechanism to recall and/or black-list (can't run for X months) a politician. As long as Y people from the constituency express their support for the penalty. The guarantee of politician's remaining term makes them complacent. In a year or two current

      • money talks.

        you want results? organize and collect money to bribe the officials.

        note, though: you are in heavy competition and I seriously doubt a grassroots fundraiser will even be a fraction of a fraction of what it takes to sway the officials.

        besides, its also the gov that wants this. good luck convincing them that they are wrong.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      I Donated to my Congressman's campaign to block you losers

      Suck it hippy!

  • Your Cheese? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by SuperCharlie (1068072) on Wednesday April 25, 2012 @04:35PM (#39800275)
    What? I can not take all your cheese?..well then.. let me have this slice..for now. I'll be back soon for more. You are truly a shrewd bargainer of cheese.
    • Indeed. They've tried this before with SOPA / PIPA, floating the idea of a few amendments here and a few amendments there. It's just an attempt to gauge how large the opposition truly is, and whether or not they can safely pass the bill without getting themselves voted out of office. For SOPA / PIPA, it appeared the opposition was large enough and strong enough that passing the bill would doom them (when large companies like Google have you in their sights, and there is a large following among the populace.

    • Re:Your Cheese? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by cpu6502 (1960974) on Wednesday April 25, 2012 @05:01PM (#39800601)

      Last I heard Google, Microsoft, and other internet companies are supporting CISPA. Which is sad. They were the ones who helped defeat SOPA, but now they are siding with CISPA. It will likely pass.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 25, 2012 @04:36PM (#39800287)

    Looks a veto is looming..... http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-57421267-281/white-house-takes-aim-at-cispa-with-formal-veto-threat/ [cnet]

  • by Anonymous Coward

    It's sewage. Don't make it law. Flush it.

    • by luther349 (645380)
      this is how it starts. just like with sopa they essentially nuterd it then being its no longer a rights killing draconian we can do whatever we please bill big media loses interest and the bill dies. then in 2 months they will repeat the cycle. why because they hope the public will grow tired of protesting the unconstitutional bills and get one passed.
  • by rastoboy29 (807168) on Wednesday April 25, 2012 @04:41PM (#39800355) Homepage
    ...of killing the damn bill.
    • by luther349 (645380)
      just like sopa once the unconstitutional bits are removed the bill dies.
    • first and foremost, bureaucracy is in the business of supporting said bureaucracy. That why the Government is called "The Beast". It feeds and grows ever more in complexity and without regards to individual freedom and liberty. In theory, this can all be corrected via default sunset clauses for each bill. That alone will keep them busy without having to keep expanding the government and thus spending and what seemingly would be an exponential rate.

      I said in "theory". Come election time, make your vote count

  • by Whammy666 (589169) on Wednesday April 25, 2012 @04:42PM (#39800365) Homepage
    The amendments are an attempt to get the foot in the door with CISPA. It's likely they hope to get the basic framework of CISPA in place and then do incremental revisions to the bill over time when the attention has died down.

    The best part of the proposed amendments is the supposed liability for the companies violating privacy and handing over info to the government. How'd that work out with the massive illegal NSA wiretapping? Oh that's right, everyone was granted retroactive immunity and the whistle blower got criminal prosecution for his trouble. Somehow, I seriously doubt that the privacy provisions will carry much weight or have any teeth. This bill needs to die.
    • by Anonymous Coward

      The thing that puzzles me if why they even bother with this bill, they're already recording all the messages they can get. Is this just a way to make it legal? And does it matter since they'd do it with or without a law.

    • by luther349 (645380)
      looks like a veto is aruldy on the table.
      • by HiThere (15173)

        Believe it if you will. Based on past history I'm not at all willing to accept that Obama's honest about *this* veto. And even if he, technically, is, the promise was wrapped in enough weasel words that he can sign it, and claim to be honest, because it's changed since he made the promise.

    • if you see a law that seems just; look behind it and you'll find a hidden one that undoes the first one.

      what would be great (my dream): NO NEW LAWS. period.

      that would stop all this bullshit creeping featurism.

      do we need more laws? it seems that laws that we have passed over the last 20 years have all been paid for by PAC money and not one has been created due to actual need BY THE PEOPLE.

      oh right: corps are now people.

      ignore what I just wrote. I was still stuck in the past, where the constitution still m

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by DNS-and-BIND (461968)
      "It is at first denied that any radical new plan exists; it is then conceded that it exists but ministers swear blind that it is not even on the political agenda; it is then noted that it might well be on the agenda but is not a serious proposition; it is later conceded that it is a serious proposition but that it will never be implemented; after that it is acknowledged that it will be implemented but in such a diluted form that it will make no difference to the lives of ordinary people; at some point it is
  • by Scareduck (177470) on Wednesday April 25, 2012 @05:02PM (#39800621) Homepage Journal

    A couple of points about this. First, if the recent Wired article on the under-construction Utah data center [wired.com] is accurate, mass spying is already underway with increasing volumes being planned. So I think it is fair to say that this is a reflection of Total Information Awareness [wikipedia.org] and the post-Admiral Poindexter philosophy of spying: build it and let 'em try and take it away later. CISPA, then, is best thought of as a legal framework around existing and planned hardware buildouts. While I do not expect the Obama White House to be forthcoming with its real reasoning for threatening a veto [cnet.com], I presume that the real reason is that CISPA does not go far enough so far as the executive branch is concerned.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Amending it is not enough - the bill needs to be thrown out completely, to deliver a strong enough message to the authors that they need to stop trying to get this sort of thing through. It's not a very big deterrent from trying it again, but it's about the best we could hope for.

    • by shentino (1139071)

      Our congress critters have nothing to fear from us.

      Because we can't boot them out of office until next election which means they have a shitload of time to farm out a nice cushy private sector job from the same congress trough fillers that are "lobbying" them to pass this shit in the first place.

      Once someone's in office, they're scot free and the only ones who can get rid of them are their brothers who are feeding from the same corporate troughs they are.

  • From TFA...

    U.S. Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., a lead sponsor, has said, the bill would "help the private sector defend itself from advanced cyber threats."

    If that's really all the bill does, why is it needed? Why would intertube [wikipedia.org] experts in "cybersecurity" need help from the morons in Congress to do their job?

  • The following might, or might not, be random data sent just to drive the NSA monitors nuts: 36599 76464 99006 12528 862 30068 26982 34658 32764 88115 14845 91533 77711 76363 3793 97990 68307 40928 48327 84342 29895 7296 9251 33722 51706 84452 21850 57248 34469 43000 19863 87259 18800 59098 59663 14702 57754 69653 68442 83150 21658 28472 35201 78999 13632 87928 74015 25053 30221 56156 15297 93035 23082 95959 22686 99437 4921 38296 90694 38732 95685 80621 51412 38107 23483 28301 7317 88681 78777 15983 11643
  • When SOPA/PIPA were rejected, this success was attributed to the outcry and protest of the people. In fact the people had the support of a number of BIG corporations (like Google) who also felt threatened by the bills. Now that the corporations have been made partners and exempted from the bad effects, it's just us. We will see how well we do on our own, but I'm not very optimistic.
  • Is it any wonder that our congress critters are screwing us in the ass every chance we get?

    They have nothing to fear from us.

    First off, we can't even touch them until the next election.

    Second, even if we do vote them out, they have plenty of time to build up a cushy private sector job as a *reward* for stepping on our rights.

    Third, because of one and two, the next guy that runs against them has no incentive to be any better.

    Federal recall elections will solve this issue of corruption...which is unfortunatel

  • Please go tell your bosses to stop supporting CISPA. The threat here is not from the government, clearly they are willing to hand you complete impunity over a massive inadequacy to maintain privacy (and in fact, to allow the govt. to spy on users of your services without warrants at any time). The real threat here is that if you get this bill passed, you will have zero customers. Protect your users and the citizens of this country or cover your own ass and go out of business. This doesn't seem like a ha

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