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gManZboy writes "As noted last week, the USAID's JEEP (Job Enabling English Proficiency) program has been using U.S. taxpayer dollars to train students in the Philippines to work at outsourcing call centers. An update: After Congressman Tim Bishop and a colleague protested to USAID, USAID decided to suspend funding to the effort. 'In response to the concerns you have raised, the Agency is suspending its participation in the English language training project in Mindanao pending further review of the facts,' said USAID deputy assistant administrator Barbara Feinstein, in a letter Monday to Bishop. 'Furthermore, the Agency has established a high-level taskforce to review these matters.' Bishop says that USAID needs to find ways to assist developing regions without compromising the jobs of U.S. call center workers"
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  • Really Reads: (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Fluffeh (1273756) on Monday April 23, 2012 @07:00PM (#39777009)

    You forgot to line the pockets of the right people in an effort to make a quick buck. I would dearly love to see if any of the call centres getting this aid and training have investments from US politicians or friends of them. Never underestimate a woman scorned, but never ever underestimate a polly who you "forgot" to pay.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Taco Cowboy (5327)

      You forgot to line the pockets of the right people in an effort to make a quick buck

      ... and that of using the money of citizens from country A to train citizens from country B to compete with against the citizens from country A

      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        by Fluffeh (1273756)

        Totally agree with the sentiment as I posted below [slashdot.org] but you do realize that you are either politician (ergo, supposed to be looking after the country to stop all your work being sent offshore) or you are a businessman (and therefore primarily focused with making the most profit you can without breaking the law). A byproduct of capitalism is that these two roles are in competition and in reality require politicians to take a stand and be able to say "Hey, this is going to suck, but we HAVE to do this..." and

        • by sjames (1099)

          This generation of politicians doesn't seem to be able to do anything that makes ANYONE THAT THEY KNOWs life harder in any shape, way or form - except when it was someone else's fault.

          FTFY. They routinely make the lives of people they don't know and won't likely meet harder.

        • The funny thing is, when an individual small-ish company with, perhaps, up to a few thousand employees starts sending their jobs over seas, it makes very little impact on the overall economy. But when very large companies, which employ several tens or perhaps hundreds of thousands of employees sends their labor-intensive jobs over seas, they're starting to cut out a great deal of their own consumer base, by removing those wages from the cash pool that also buys their products. I suppose it's not such a big

      • It is a stupid, kneejerk reaction... Maybe you are blissful in your ignorance of outher world, but English is useful not only to get an offshored, help desk work. From management to administratives and secretaries (passing by IT people), English knowledge is a useful tool for many people.

        You could argue about if the US should be giving foreign aid (most of first world countries do, mind you) or if it is the most effective way to help. But the "oh if they speak english it is because they want my job" meme is

        • by r_a_trip (612314)
          But the "oh if they speak english it is because they want my job" meme is too silly to think that it is other think that a disguise to more xenophobic instints.

          From TFA: "As noted last week, the USAID's JEEP (Job Enabling English Proficiency) program has been using U.S. taxpayer dollars to train students in the Philippines to work at outsourcing call centers."

          Sounds like the USA paying to get their own jobs taken.
        • But the "oh if they speak english it is because they want my job" meme is too silly to think that it is other think that a disguise to more xenophobic instints.

          Or the explicitly stated purpose of the fucking program.

          Your high horse: get off it.

  • Why? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Rouphis (2501464) on Monday April 23, 2012 @07:01PM (#39777013)
    Tell me exactly why it is our responsibility to find ways to assist developing regions. There are americans that would love call center work. It beats a lot of other bad jobs.
    • by Anonymous Coward

      Americans won't work for 50 cents an hour, no benefits, no bathroom break. Convince the government to pay for the English lessons, and bam, pure uncut profit.

    • Re:Why? (Score:4, Informative)

      by Fluffeh (1273756) on Monday April 23, 2012 @07:26PM (#39777245)

      Tell me exactly why it is our responsibility to find ways to assist developing regions. There are americans that would love call center work. It beats a lot of other bad jobs.

      The problem you are missing is that lovely thing called capitalism. You see, if I own a call centre with 100 customers, and I employ 100 staff to operate the phones, I pay the going rate. Lets say it is $10 for nice round numbers. So, I pay $1000 a year in wages. Now, I work out that I can invest $200 and train some chaps in some cheap labour country - like the Phillipines - and then pay them $500 to do the same work. So, I invest that $200, get the training done and the following year, my wages have gone down and I can say that in the first year, I made an extra $300 profit, and every year after that, I make $500 extra profit.

      Of course, that paints a pretty worrying picture from a wider view as that means that instead of $1000 being paid to local workers, $500 is being shipped out of the economy and into another country, but not many people want to look from that angle when it impacts their own profit margins.

      This sort of thing only works long term if you can get that $500 back from the other country by getting them to buy your goods with the money you give them so that the cash stays local. How is the US Balance of Trade [wikipedia.org] these days you ask? Take a look for yourself.

      • Re:Why? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by dreamchaser (49529) on Monday April 23, 2012 @09:10PM (#39778117) Homepage Journal

        Except it isn't capitalism when the government is spending tax dollars on it, so your example is flawed. Yes, yes I know government is in the pocket of corporations but since you decided to talk economic theory I had to point that out. Real capitalism would have companies who wanted to outsource funding the training.

        • Re:Why? (Score:4, Insightful)

          by Fluffeh (1273756) on Monday April 23, 2012 @09:34PM (#39778259)

          It we are talking theory, lets throw in some game theory. A clever capitalist would spend a fraction of the cost of all the training on lobbying and then have the government foot the bill while making use of the facility to train his new outsourced workers.

          • by Anonymous Coward

            That's crony capitalism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crony_capitalism

    • Re:Why? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by DragonWriter (970822) on Monday April 23, 2012 @07:48PM (#39777453)

      Tell me exactly why it is our responsibility to find ways to assist developing regions.

      Because when they fail at developing in a way that produces legitimate exports, they instead develop in a way that produces, for instance, narcotics and terrorists as their exports.

      Which, humanitarian concerns aside, also has adverse effects on the US economy.

      • Re: (Score:1, Insightful)

        by gmhowell (26755)

        Tell me exactly why it is our responsibility to find ways to assist developing regions.

        Because when they fail at developing in a way that produces legitimate exports, they instead develop in a way that produces, for instance, narcotics and terrorists as their exports.

        So it's a big protection racket? At least you're honest.

      • by ppanon (16583)
        Meh. narcotics wouldn't be such a problem if the USA finally accepted (once again) that drug prohibition/criminalization doesn't work. Education and treatment do. Though I don't have any problems with increasing sentences for associated crimes (i.e. theft, B&E, DUI), thereby to encourage them to seek treatment, when the crime is committed by addicts who abuse drugs and continued drug use increases the chance of recidivism.
        • Meh. narcotics wouldn't be such a problem if the USA finally accepted (once again) that drug prohibition/criminalization doesn't work. Education and treatment do.

          I've yet to see any evidence that education does, on either addiction per se or drug use more generally (the studies I've seen of particular popular anti-drug education efforts have shown no measurable anti-drug effect, most notably, the incredibly visible Drug Abuse Resistance Education (D.A.R.E.) program has been studied and found to have no dete

          • by ppanon (16583)
            That's because D.A.R.E isn't education, it's propaganda. D.A.R.E. is to drug education as abstinence propaganda is to sexual education. Now, good propaganda always has a core of truth, but it's often slanted or exaggerated. When you take that approach, you make it easy for the illegal actors to weaken or nullify your arguments by attacking the exaggerations, demonstrating they are false, and damaging any trust they have in the truthful core. Propaganda works in the short term, but it fails in the long term
      • by drinkypoo (153816)

        Because when they fail at developing in a way that produces legitimate exports, they instead develop in a way that produces, for instance, narcotics and terrorists as their exports.

        We only have to worry about narcotics and terrorists if we import them. It takes two. We're trying harder and harder to import terrorists all the time by shitting on other countries, that's our foreign policy, so that's what you're talking about here. But it's our failed drug policy that results in drug imports. No amount of shitting on other countries causes us to import drugs. That happens because we're shitting on ourselves.

        • We only have to worry about narcotics and terrorists if we import them. It takes two.

          This is clearly true for narcotics (which is, though often brutally so, mostly a rational business.) It less so for terrorists (which notably are not.)

          We're trying harder and harder to import terrorists all the time by shitting on other countries, that's our foreign policy

          I would argue that development efforts like those conducted by USAID are exactly the opposite -- they are directed at both the supply side of terrorism (b

          • by drinkypoo (153816)

            Yeah, whoop de doo, a few paltry dollars (overall) compared to the billions we spend bombing people, or the economic fallout from our assassinations, which we're stepping up.

    • Re:Why? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Jeeeb (1141117) on Monday April 23, 2012 @07:49PM (#39777463)

      Tell me exactly why it is our responsibility to find ways to assist developing regions. There are americans that would love call center work. It beats a lot of other bad jobs.

      Well in regards to the Philippines in particular there is the rather ugly history of America buying the islands of Spain and then invading them, crushing the Philippines independence movement and ruling them as a colonial power for about 50 years. So you could say there is some moral responsibility there.

      For aid in general there are 3 good self interest arguments.

      1. Economics: There are more people in Pakistan than Japan or Germany but wanna guess which ones America trades more with? Germany and Japan of course with trade volumes many times greater than American trade with Pakistan. The wealth of those two countries has created enormous new markets for American products. Yes trade involves job losses but the point is that the opportunities created outstrip the losses.

      2. Security: Poor undeveloped countries cause security problems. Look at Somalia. If you can it's better to spend some money helping them develop rather than having to continuously deal with the security problems that you otherwise get.

      3. Security 2: Aid is the act of buying allies. If the West isn't going to buy then others (China, Russia, Iran) might just step in.

      Aside from self interest developed countries giving aid to developing countries has been a long standing principal. In terms of aid per capita the US gives quite generously but it is by no means the most generous. From memory the U.K is the biggest giver per capita. Aid programs like this are simply keeping the US in line with other developed countries in giving aid.

      • by rolfwind (528248)

        1. Economics: There are more people in Pakistan than Japan or Germany but wanna guess which ones America trades more with? Germany and Japan of course with trade volumes many times greater than American trade with Pakistan. The wealth of those two countries has created enormous new markets for American products. Yes trade involves job losses but the point is that the opportunities created outstrip the losses.

        Of course Japan and Germany trade more with us, they're developed! They were both highly developed

        • by rjstanford (69735)

          Mutually Beneficial Trades makes more effective, profitable and longterm alliances than indiscriminant handouts ever will. France and Germany defended Iraq up to the US invasion, trying to stop it, because of the trade they did with Saddam.

          Well, and the fact that the justifications used for the invasion (WMD, 9/11) had no basis in fact. But yeah, it was all because of trade.

          • by cornjones (33009)

            if you don't think it was primarily trade, I would think you are being naive. Trade trumps all. As I recall, France was the only western power to recognize the Taliban [afghanista...center.com] (before 9/11). Even the news briefs of the time had france saying ''yeah, their treatment of women and other cultures is abhorrent but we really want to pipe oil through that region'.

            Russia's stonewalling of the nuclear monitoring in Iran had everything to do w/ their trade. France/Germany may have had some concern about being drawn into

        • by Jeeeb (1141117)

          Of course Japan and Germany trade more with us, they're developed! They were both highly developed nations before they ever got a dollar of aid from us. China was somewhat in the 1930s before Japan went in.

          Post-WWII the U.S. gave huge amounts of aid to Europe including Germany. Later on the US went through an economic boom in part selling stuff to Europe to help it rebuild. Japan was less lucky initially. Post-WWII they were desperately poor, with wide spread food shortages and so on. However come the Kor

      • by tibman (623933)

        My socks are made in Pakistan. Super soft too. If they made more textiles, i'd buy them!

    • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

      by Jah-Wren Ryel (80510)

      Tell me exactly why it is our responsibility to find ways to assist developing regions.

      Because a rising tide floats all boats. In this case I'd much rather have filipinos learn to speak american standard english than something like learning to speak chinese because the long-term effects are good for the USA in general.

      There are americans that would love call center work. It beats a lot of other bad jobs.

      The same argument can be made for any job at all and maybe that's how you feel too. However, not all of us see the world economy as a zero-sum game.

      • Ooh, a nice argument.

        I'm not being cynical - "better a Filipino speak fluent English than Chinese" - it's a nice theory.

        All that we have to navigate is the local tactics of "Filipinos work for $2 an hour" long enough for those boats to rise on the tide.

        It's a VERY tough game.

        • by coredog64 (1001648) on Monday April 23, 2012 @09:32PM (#39778245)

          I was considering out-sourcing some work to the Philippines (from a non-American territory, for an international aid organization) and ISTR the going rate for educated Filipinos was ~ $1300/month. It was more expensive than India (again, going by memory, $1000/month) but the Philippines were closer and they have much better infrastructure and English skills.

          • by janimal (172428)

            Jeez, at those rates you can get Europeans too. They're closer to timezonewise to the West as well.

      • by tibman (623933)

        Not sure how you were modded like that? It's a decent point and certainly not a troll.

    • by AHuxley (892839)
      It goes back to the cold war and a very long term way of thinking.
      The more you help people with your brand, the more they will be imprinted with liking you no matter what.
      So you see many parts of the world reaching out to offer aid even when they are in need of aid.
      Vietnam, China, East Germany gave farm aid and advice, Taiwan does at lot of great work too. Then you have the classics of the UK, USA and Soviet Union.
      Why the aid? If they help the grand parents with simple work, their children might get b
    • by c0lo (1497653)

      Tell me exactly why it is our responsibility to find ways to assist developing regions. There are americans that would love call center work. It beats a lot of other bad jobs.

      However... do to the cost of workforce (wages), it is not going to happen.
      The most plausible outcome is that you'll still be answered by an phillipino support person, except it will be an untrained one (to be fair... maybe it will be trained, but won't be trained on US taxpayers money).

    • Just because you're not responsible doesn't mean its not the right thing to do.

    • by Asic Eng (193332)

      Well it should be a US responsibility, because the US is an extremely rich country. If there are no better jobs in the US than staffing call centers, then something is going very wrong and that needs to be addressed within the US. Having low-level workers fight over scraps is not an acceptable situation.

      Capitalism is fine as long as it provides reasonable opportunities for basically everyone (of course some people can't be helped, that's understood). If capitalism does not manage to provide that, then it n

      • by cayenne8 (626475)

        Well it should be a US responsibility, because the US is an extremely rich country.

        You know...a rich country, like a wealthy person, doesn't get that way or stay that way, by spending needlessly, or giving it all away.

    • There are americans that would love call center work. It beats a lot of other bad jobs.

      You obviously never worked in a call center before. It doesn't have a high rotation for nothing. Angry customers, toilet breaks, lousy wages, depression, et c.

      • by geekoid (135745)

        Still beats working in a field.

        • Oh boy, I thought I had suppressed those memories. It's an awful and tedious place to work, I grant you that. Maybe not so much with flowers, but lettuces and strawberries were boring as hell.

          Still, even if I hate those past days, I can say I produced something of real, unquestionable value. Anecdotally, all the girls I dated liked that, even though I'm an engineer, I had a menial job once.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Any company willing to ship their American/English tech support to a non-English native country is going to do so whether or not the American government helps the people there learn english. If this program made the Philippines a more attractive place to outsource to, so what? If not there, then there are plenty of english speakers in other countries willing to do the job.

  • by mrmeval (662166) <mrmeval&gmail,com> on Monday April 23, 2012 @07:17PM (#39777157) Journal

    I called tech support for black box router #5. I ended up talking to someone in a call center in the Bronx.

    After about 5 minutes of not being able to understand them I asked to be transfered to India so I could understand them better and get my problem resolved.

    Thank you I'll be here all this century.

    • by game kid (805301)

      'ey, watch it with my borough, buddy!

      (Seriously, the differences between calls to the US and abroad can be stark. I won't name names, but from experience the voices on the other end of credit card activation numbers can differ heavily with the issuer--the difference between a clear and even pleasant conversation, and "excuse me? Wuzzat?".)

  • Without knowing more than the very limited information in TFA it's hard to say for sure what the situation really is. That said, these programs are being misused if the allegations are true. But if true, it isn't exactly the worst fraud being perpetrated on US tax payers. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't be addressed now that it has come to light.

    Still strange that with all the big fish to fry government has focused on something relatively minor like this.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Still strange that with all the big fish to fry government has focused on something relatively minor like this.

      Lets see... Scores points with people who don't like specific minority groups, who don't like paying taxes and then seeing those taxes wasted / exploited / spent on non-American people, and of course with the they took our jobs sect. Also gives them some "we're doing stuff!" credit!

  • by Beardo the Bearded (321478) on Monday April 23, 2012 @07:21PM (#39777195)

    I don't care about your stupid JEEP program. I drive a Mazda.

  • wtf (Score:2, Insightful)

    Bishop says that USAID needs to find ways to assist developing regions without compromising the jobs of U.S. call center workers"

    Does our esteemed congress critter realize we conquered the Philipines, and for awhile owned it after WWII? This isn't like offering education programs in Iraq; Some of them are still legally US citizens. We destroyed their infrastructure -- the least we can do is help these people improve their economic infrastructure, of which literacy is an excellent first step. The issue of corporations outsourcing to this country is a separate problem, and one that will not be solved by plunging these people back into

    • Re:wtf (Score:4, Informative)

      by girlintraining (1395911) on Monday April 23, 2012 @07:42PM (#39777385)
      Oh, and just 'P.S.', the philipines right now is experiencing a rise in extremism amongst its muslim population due to high unemployment and low literacy; this program was enacted specifically to address that problem as an informal 'thank you' to that country for being a major supporter of our anti-terrorism efforts after 9/11, particularly in Iraq. So you could say with a straight face that Bishop is supporting terrorism in order to garner more votes in this election. Sick, isn't it?
      • by NoKaOi (1415755)

        Oh, and just 'P.S.', the philipines right now is experiencing a rise in extremism amongst its muslim population due to high unemployment and low literacy; this program was enacted specifically to address that problem as an informal 'thank you' to that country for being a major supporter of our anti-terrorism efforts after 9/11, particularly in Iraq. So you could say with a straight face that Bishop is supporting terrorism in order to garner more votes in this election. Sick, isn't it?

        Even if that were true, then why should we spend those dollars educating them specifically to take US jobs? If we're going to give them education aid, why not put that money towards general education? Why not educate them to be productive without specifically taking away American jobs?

      • by mjwx (966435)

        Oh, and just 'P.S.', the philipines right now is experiencing a rise in extremism amongst its muslim population due to high unemployment and low literacy; this program was enacted specifically to address that problem as an informal 'thank you' to that country for being a major supporter of our anti-terrorism efforts after 9/11, particularly in Iraq. So you could say with a straight face that Bishop is supporting terrorism in order to garner more votes in this election. Sick, isn't it?

        Erm, no.

        Groups like Abu Sayaaf and the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF, no joke) has been around since the 70's. In fact there's been a marked decline in terrorism since the establishment of the Autonomous Region of Muslim Mindanao (where all those evil mooslims live right). Most of the bombs in the last few years have in fact been inside the ARMM or at least in the surrounding provinces of Mindanao.

        But nice try using the old "Terr'ism" bogeyman.

        The biggest problem coming out of Muslim Mindanao

    • by WiiVault (1039946)
      Treaties should be honored above all. Even if in retrospect a population may not have wished them. It's a basic tenant of modern government and you raise a great point.
    • Re:wtf (Score:5, Informative)

      by Tofof (199751) on Monday April 23, 2012 @08:07PM (#39777649)
      Your version of the Philippines' history is laughably wrong. We gained ownership of the islands around the turn of the century, not by the war as you imply. It's true that despite initially supporting the Philippines independence movement from Spain, we waged our own war against a rebelling populace after we received the islands in the Treaty of Manila (ending the Spanish-American War). The destroyed infrastructure was of the same pre-Industrial-Revolution kind that was largely being willfully destroyed elsewhere in the world. In the interrim, the Philippines prospered alongside the US - we established a modern health care system rivaling our own at the time, ended slavery, formed a national education system and civil bureaucracy. Throughout the 1930s efforts toward releasing the Philippines as a free and independent nation were well underway, with the first independent government elected in 1935 and the transition to be gradual to full independence a decade later. In WWII, the Japanese conquered the Philippines despite American and Phillipine attempts to defend it. Philippine and US troops alike died in the Bataan Death March. We of course hosted the legitimate citizen-elected government as a government-in-exile. After the official withdrawal of US troops, the Philippine Army )with large participation from underground movements) waged a guerilla war with support from what US remnants remained - against the unpopular Japanese-puppet regime. When we reinvaded in 1944, the civilian president Osmena literally accompanied MacArthur onto Leyte Island. We ceded the Philipines as scheduled before the war, in July 1946 - a mere 10 months (nearly to the day) after Japan's formal surrender. You paint a picture of an invading US army laying waste to the country and then holding onto it during and after WWII, when the exact opposite is far closer to the truth.
      • Wow, another slashdotter who knows some history. I'm impressed.

        It should also be remembered that Douglas MacArthur was, in the period leading up to WW2, NOT a US Army General, but a Field Marshal in the Philippine Army. His US Army rank was reactivated at the beginning of the war in the Pacific.

        Which put him in the odd position of being junior to General Marshall, who was a colonel when MacArthur was Chief of Staff of the US Army (the position Marshall held in WW2), while at the same time outranking him

      • Your version of the Philippines' history is laughably wrong.

        No, it's actually spot-on, and now I must insist that you provide citations for any 'facts' you present.

        We gained ownership of the islands around the turn of the century, not by the war as you imply.

        Umm, no -- you lost [state.gov] at exactly the turn of the century -- the philipine/american war was from 1899â"1902, and we won. You were owned by the US until the Treaty of Manila in 1946. You may recall that within that 44 year time period, both world wars happened. The islands were occupied by japanese forces during WWII, true enough -- but less than a year after the war ended and we'd licked our wounds, w

        • Cite which supports the above interpretation: Stephen Kinzer's Overthrow. GP's post is largely false and mimics the US Government's official interpretation of events, which has little to do with how the Philippine population was treated.
      • Modern health care system? The US still doesn't have one!

    • by webnut77 (1326189)

      We destroyed their infrastructure -- the least we can do is help these people improve their economic infrastructure

      IIRC, we liberated the Philippines from Japanese occupation and if you know anything about how the Japanese, during WWII, treated non-Japanese you'll agree that that was a good thing. A lot of Allied blood was spilled doing this. And yes, it was in our interests. It was in the world's interest.

      I'm all for helping other nations but I think we should help ourselves first. It's only when we set a successful example will other countries want to follow that example.

  • Politicians love to use the hot-button topic of oursourcing to pretend like this is a zero-sum game. i.e. a job outsourced is a job lost domestically. Americans have to choose: Do you want your companies to have access to cheap callcenters so you can grow your core business and create more jobs, or do you want to pay high local callcenter rates just so you can brag that "we buy american", while possibly stiffling growth.

    • by sjames (1099)

      WAAAAyyyyy back before computers, companies used to support massive rooms full of people crunching numbers AND a local call center and yet they managed to grow and prosper. Probably because there were plenty of well employed customers who could afford their products. The claim of 'needing' cheap labor to grow business is just as much nonsense.

      I'm all for helping other countries develop their economies, but that's not what's happening. It's just a bunch of rich corporations pocketing the difference between e

  • by TheModelEskimo (968202) on Monday April 23, 2012 @07:31PM (#39777293)

    JEEP used USAID funds to train students in the Philippines troubled Mindanao region, which has seen unrest by Muslim activists, to work in call centers and other industries. Feinstein said JEEP was initially conceived as a way to help students in the region integrate into Filipino society. "The intent of the program is to enable these youth to make productive contributions to society, and to reduce alienation and marginalization that may make them vulnerable to the influence of terrorism and extremism."

    "LET'S PROTECT AMERICAN JOBS" is just fine, but remember that this is seen as a way toward 2 positives: 1) Offer the Filipinos something worthwhile and valuable to them and 2) reduce the power of extremists in their own territory.

    So instead of jerking my knees around, I'd rather see numbers that show how much this costs vs. how many jobs it is "stealing" vs. how much protection the Filipinos and U.S. interests abroad / at home are benefiting from it. And if we cut those funds, where will they really go next?

  • What crud: (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Hartree (191324) on Monday April 23, 2012 @07:47PM (#39777447)

    This just means that more of the work will go to Luzon where they have more english speakers and better infrastructure.

    Creating jobs in Mindanao to help with many of the endemic problems there is a good thing (tm).

    It's unlikely that any jobs that would have been outsourced to Mindanao would have stayed in the US anyway. They would have ended up in other places in the Philipines or in Bangalore India or $english_capable_low_cost_location.

    (Engage rant mode:)

    Bishop is a Democrat and Jones is a Republican, so this is a bipartisan shortsightedness. But it'll get them votes in the short run and that's the truly important thing.

    Hey, I'm sure the Moro Islamic Liberation Front approves. Poverty and ignorance is great for maintaining low level wars.

    Better not teach them any other skills either. They might do something that would compete with the US in areas that wouldn't be outsourced. We could just make the spreading of ignorance the cornerstone of our foreign policy. What a concept.

    Slashdotters are great at talking about how little others know about world politics and how the problems facing other societies end up on your own doorstep. Maybe some of them should take their own advice.

  • Why don't we use that money to teach some of our own citizens to speak English? I don't mean the foreigners who come here. I mean the ones born and raised here that you'd need a freaking interpreter to understand.
  • When I was at home during the day over the Christmas holiday period, a number of the "hello, this is the technical support centre, your Microsoft Windows computer has a virus [so please install our trojan software to remove the bogus virus, you chump]" scam callers had an accent that sounded Filipino to me, and spoke pretty clearly compared to the Indian accented callers I had heard before. Perhaps I was experiencing the benefits of US-funded English training in the Phillipines.

    NB: This is not any racist re

  • The companies who run those call centers should be forced to pay back every penny. Why would the US willingly spend tax dollars to outsource jobs?

  • Does it not occur to the business men exporting these jobs that locals won't have that 'wage' to spend on products right here at home? The economy only works if people have money to spend and people only have money to spend if they have jobs. The near-sightedness inherent here is just dumbfounding.
  • "Bishop says that USAID needs to find ways to assist developing regions without compromising the jobs of U.S. call center workers"

    *sigh* Insert your image of plantation owners and whips as you see fit.

  • why we were doing this, or the benefits, or long term impact.

    Lets just see the headline and freak out.

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