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MPAA-Dodd Investigation Petition Reaches Goal 270

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An anonymous reader writes "The petition on 'We the People' website petitioning the administration to investigate Chris Dodd for corruption has reached the required 25,000 votes in two days: now the government has to officially respond to the petition. The petition ... stemmed from Chris Dodd's statement that tried to portray campaign donations as quid-pro-quos for SOPA/PIPA votes."
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MPAA-Dodd Investigation Petition Reaches Goal

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  • respond? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by spidercoz (947220) on Tuesday January 24, 2012 @03:44PM (#38809471) Journal
    my money is on ignore
    • Re:respond? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by betterunixthanunix (980855) on Tuesday January 24, 2012 @04:02PM (#38809733)
      Me too -- we are asking the mafia to crack down on organized crime here.
      • Re:respond? (Score:5, Interesting)

        by sneakyimp (1161443) on Tuesday January 24, 2012 @04:11PM (#38809871)

        See, this is where Anonymous could actually make itself useful. Maybe dig up some incriminating emails and leak them.

        • Re:respond? (Score:4, Insightful)

          by spidercoz (947220) on Tuesday January 24, 2012 @04:17PM (#38809939) Journal
          That would require them to have an actual leader and some organization. As long as they're just "doing it for the lulz" they're worse than useless.
          • by SomePgmr (2021234)
            Nah, they've done it before.

            What's required is a motivated and capable individual (or two). Getting at someone's email isn't the same chore as a ddos with loic.

            I'm not saying it's necessarily a good idea, but there are folks out there with the requisite skills and complementary ideologies.
          • Put up or shut up (Score:5, Insightful)

            by Rix (54095) on Tuesday January 24, 2012 @07:16PM (#38812635)

            You are as Anonymous as anyone else. If you think Anonymous should do something, then do it.

          • by Greyfox (87712)
            It WOULD be pretty funny though. Except I'm pretty sure that we're immune to the inherent humor in having Washington's (Or our) hypocrisy pointed out to us at this point.
        • Re:respond? (Score:5, Insightful)

          by ALeavitt (636946) <aleavitt.gmail@com> on Tuesday January 24, 2012 @04:20PM (#38809997)
          What could possibly be more incriminating than the chief lobbyist for the MPAA openly threatening [techdirt.com] politicians who don't vote the way he would prefer? Let's face it, no amount of damning evidence is going to get the general populace to care.
          • by SomePgmr (2021234)
            I said the same thing about SOPA in general. As it turns out, I was wrong. People can be pretty smart and care about important things. I think it's usually just an awareness problem.
          • Re:respond? (Score:4, Insightful)

            by hairyfeet (841228) <bassbeast1968@gma i l . com> on Tuesday January 24, 2012 @05:46PM (#38811291) Journal
            We don't need the public, what we need is another Woodward and Bernstein that can dig up the dirt and write it in such a way the public hangs on it like they do the Kardashians. Do you think congress REALLY wanted to toss a sitting president? hell no they would have been happy to let him finish his lame duck term and let one of their guys take the big chair but it was guys like Woodward and Bernstein that kept the fire stoked and in people's faces and didn't give them a choice and THAT is what we need now.
      • It might be interesting to see how the crooks in DC cover their own butts and cover for one of their own who has gone on to become an example of what membership in the American "House of Lords" can accomplish for you.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 24, 2012 @04:17PM (#38809949)

      Their response will be similar to all the other responses to petitions they don't like-- completely dodge any of the points and cut/paste a wikipedia like entry. See their response to eliminating the TSA for violating people's civil rights and being useless-- nothing more than Pistole cut/pasting the TSA's official mission statement.
      This one will probably be more of a campaign like statement that they care about the people and protect their rights completely dodging the statements in the petition.

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward

      And there will be giggling at the little people thinking that the WH joke website will be taken into consideration. Until you vote libertarian you'll be continuing the slide into slavery.

      • Re:respond? (Score:4, Insightful)

        by spidercoz (947220) on Tuesday January 24, 2012 @04:32PM (#38810155) Journal
        because the Libertarians are incorruptible, right?
        • by SuperKendall (25149) on Tuesday January 24, 2012 @05:48PM (#38811327)

          because the Libertarians are incorruptible, right?

          Nope. They are as corruptible as anyone.

          But first, they will shrink government, so the corruption matters less and is on a smaller scale.

          The greater the power the greater the temptation to corrupt or abuse it. That is why the ONLY successful way to fight corruption is to reduce the scale of temptation. When more power is in states hands it is easier to monitor for corruption, after all how easily can the voters in a state really keep an eye on what someone is doing all the way over in DC?

          • by DarkOx (621550) on Tuesday January 24, 2012 @06:40PM (#38812117) Journal

            Corruption comes from two sources; power and being unaccountable.

            If you have to few people in government you have corrupt folks because they are able to act with impunity and nobody can do anything about even when everyone does they guilty as sin itself.

            You also get corruption when government gets to big; nobody is ever accountable, no not even in our world where everything is recorded and logged. Once you get a government as big as ours its almost always the case that crimes even consistent and repeated ones go unnoticed lost in the noise, crimes can't be addressed because there is always a bigger fish to investigate, and nothing can be made to stick because there is so many others for the perp to point the finger at and say oh "well...I...but for...."

            The solution is not no government (Somalia is staw man) nor is the solution more government, solution is SMALL TIERED government. You want to have a handful of people closely accountable to electorate so we all no their names, each fairly direct, clear, and knowable responsibilities.

            • by Rockoon (1252108) on Tuesday January 24, 2012 @07:48PM (#38812949)

              The solution is not no government (Somalia is staw man) nor is the solution more government, solution is SMALL TIERED government. You want to have a handful of people closely accountable to electorate so we all no their names, each fairly direct, clear, and knowable responsibilities.

              So exactly the libertarian stance.

              Now tell us who made you believe the libertarians are not for exactly this.. was it the Republicans you love, or the Democrats you love? Either way, we know it was someone you love because you accepted a lie without question.

    • Re:respond? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by jythie (914043) on Tuesday January 24, 2012 @04:48PM (#38810361)
      This is why I dislike the WH petition system.. it makes people feel like they are being heard and doing something, but it is little more then a placebo. It does not actually do anything other then make people feel like they are doing something.
      • Re:respond? (Score:5, Interesting)

        by sohmc (595388) on Tuesday January 24, 2012 @05:18PM (#38810819) Journal

        The WH petition system isn't even based on any law. For all intents and purposes, WH could say, "Yeah...get 5 signatures and we'll 'respond'."

        BHO said it best when "petitioners" wanted a response to legalizing marijuana and he pretty much said STFU and GTFO.

        I would actually vote for him if he had set up the website such that once there was enough votes, he would call a lackey in congress to actually draft a bill. That would have shown he had balls. But doing so would give power back to the people and that's just bad politics.

  • Alright! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by AngryDeuce (2205124) on Tuesday January 24, 2012 @03:45PM (#38809493)
    Cue up the bullshit, meaningless response! Boy it's great having a voice in government, even if it's constantly ignored!
    • Re:Alright! (Score:5, Funny)

      by blind biker (1066130) on Tuesday January 24, 2012 @03:56PM (#38809635) Journal

      Yeah. It would be fun if a popular techie-friendly website such as Slashdot or Reddit would sponsor a wager contest: write the expected BS response, and the one closest to the actual BS response from govt gets a prize.

      • by Bucky24 (1943328)
        "Thank you for submitting your petition. We understand your concerns about Chris Dodd 'bribing' politicians. However you can't expect them to pay for their own campaigns, can you? These are public servants, after all."

        Eh, I can't do any more then that.... But I'm sure others can do better.
      • by achbed (97139)

        The White House response:

        Subject: Why We Cannot comment on Investigating Former Sen. Dodd for Criminal Activity

        All criminal investigations are not announced, confirmed, nor denied to prevent contamination of the evidence, jury pool, and our campaign contribution stream. This is the final response on this matter.

      • Re:Alright! (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Brain-Fu (1274756) on Tuesday January 24, 2012 @05:58PM (#38811449) Homepage Journal

        Thank you for submitting your petition. Bribery is a serious offence which threatens the stability of governance, and as such we will not tolerate this behavior and will of course prosecute anyone who is caught engaging in it. However, based on our preliminary investigation, there is not enough evidence to merit a case.

        Campaign contribution is a means by which one can legally support the spreading of information about one's political ideals. In and of itself, this is not bribery. Furthermore, it is reasonable to expect a politician who represents himself as an advocate for a specific political party to openly support, and take action that directly supports, the stated political positions of that party.

        Chris Dodd observed that some candidates deviated from their party's stated position. Further, he observed this after having made significant campaign contributions to the party in question. While his words may have been ill-chosen, the mere expression of frustration over such position-switching is not sufficient grounds for a bribery charge.

        Thank you for your interest in governance, and please continue to share your concerns with us, whatever they may be.

    • by PlatyPaul (690601)
      In an election year? Too dangerous to leave this entirely untouched. Hope for the best?
      • by firex726 (1188453)

        Yea, but Dodd and his biddies are the ones who "donate" to their election funds, if they do denounce him they will still hurt their election plans but not getting any more money.

        • Re:Alright! (Score:4, Insightful)

          by quintus_horatius (1119995) on Tuesday January 24, 2012 @04:00PM (#38809701) Homepage
          I think Dodd knows the score - he'll understand that he has to be reprimanded, but under the covers it will be business-as-usual.
          • Of course. Even if he was actually charged with am actual crime of some sort (doubtful), he'd just end up being pardoned. These guys all take care of their own...
            • by spidercoz (947220)
              Boy ain't that the truth.

              So when's the revolution start?

              • Re:Alright! (Score:5, Funny)

                by Bucky24 (1943328) on Tuesday January 24, 2012 @04:14PM (#38809911)
                Revolution, you say? Maybe tomorrow, American Idol is on tonight...
              • by scubamage (727538)
                When people can no longer access their bread and circuses.
                • by hairyfeet (841228)

                  Actually its pretty easy to predict, its around 35%. When the unemployment numbers reach around 35% to 40% even those that have a job will be happy to jump in because they know their job could disappear tomorrow and when you have that many unemployed that is a lot of potential soldiers with nothing to lose. if you say it could never reach that high I would point out that we've lost 42,400 factories [theeconomi...seblog.com] this past decade and we have the man most likely to be the next R to run for POTUS paying just 15% taxes whil

            • by jd2112 (1535857)
              He's got a nice cushy job as an MPAA lobbyist waiting for him when he leaves office so don't feel too bad for him if he gets kicked out of office out looses the next election.
      • In an election year? Too dangerous to leave this entirely untouched. Hope for the best?

        Even more dangerous to touch it. Look at how many people in the Obama administration have ties to Hollywood and the MPAA -- investigating Dodd opens the door to investigating all of them too. In fact, it basically means investigating most of the politicians in the US government; that is why we can expect nothing to happen here. We asked the mafia to cracked down on organized crime, and we should not be so naive as to think that they would actually accomplish anything.

        • by achbed (97139)

          We asked the mafia to cracked down on organized crime, and we should not be so naive as to think that they would actually accomplish anything.

          The Mafia would at least take the time to eliminate the competition under the guise of a "crackdown". These guys already own the town outright and will thus do nothing.

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward

      There's no need for a petition, because the government and industry already knows what the people want [slashdot.org].

      At any rate, it has already been stated previously that bribing politicians is not against the law in the United States. It's all in the open. It's a part of the capitalism that great corporations are built upon.

      Socialism for the common man is antithetical to the fundamentalist protestant individualism of America. Corporate socialism however, is good for the country. The corporation represents God in a fin

    • While I agree with you mostly I have actually run across a representative who listens. Granted he is in the Minnesota state senate but when I write to him and disagree he at least responds back addressing the specific points of contention I raise. Compared to most of my other elected officials that is substantial progress as with them I am luck to even get the patronizing form letter back. My solution to this is to vote whoever doesn't make an effort to respond out. Last election cycle my representative to
  • by icebike (68054) * on Tuesday January 24, 2012 @03:47PM (#38809519)

    Don't be silly.
    There is no "HAS TO" when the government is involved.
    And a one word response of "DENIED" is all you are likely to get, or the Washington equivalent, of a vague promise of having it looked into, followed by a chuckle-fest in the back room over brandy on the rocks.

    The whole thing sort of reminds me of one of the typical flame fests here on Slashdot or Usenet. Lots of smelly wet wool. But nobody notices that you "won the internet".

    • by NotSanguine (1917456) on Tuesday January 24, 2012 @03:55PM (#38809627)

      Don't be silly. There is no "HAS TO" when the government is involved. And a one word response of "DENIED" is all you are likely to get, or the Washington equivalent, of a vague promise of having it looked into, followed by a chuckle-fest in the back room over brandy on the rocks.

      The whole thing sort of reminds me of one of the typical flame fests here on Slashdot or Usenet. Lots of smelly wet wool. But nobody notices that you "won the internet".

      WTF is wrong with you!?! I can't believe that you could say such a thing!!!

      Everyone knows that you *never* serve brandy on the rocks. Geez!

    • by sjames (1099)

      There HAS TO be a response. "DENIED" and "we find no probable cause to investigate" ARE responses, just not helpful ones.

  • by Handbasket Passenger (1023955) on Tuesday January 24, 2012 @03:47PM (#38809529)
    We the People: This is bribery! We demand you investigate yourselves!

    Gov'ment: We've investigated ourselves thoroughly, and we're guilty (sad-face)
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by icebike (68054) *

      Had Dodd been a Republican, there would already be a call for a Special Prosecutor.

      But asking this administration to investigate one of its own is pointless, and asking them to investigate their largest campaign contributors is simply ridiculous. The only hope of this gaining any legs is if the Republicans pick up this ball and run with it, but they won't do that either because they have just as many fingers in the till as the Democrats.

      • by bill_mcgonigle (4333) * on Tuesday January 24, 2012 @04:18PM (#38809969) Homepage Journal

        The only hope of this gaining any legs is if the Republicans pick up this ball and run with it, but they won't do that either because they have just as many fingers in the till as the Democrats.

        Right, so:

        Had Dodd been a Republican, there would already be a call for a Special Prosecutor.

        Is false.

        There's one party with minor differences paraded out for the masses to choose from. Understanding this is key to understanding Washington.

        • by icebike (68054) *

          The only hope of this gaining any legs is if the Republicans pick up this ball and run with it, but they won't do that either because they have just as many fingers in the till as the Democrats.

          Right, so:

          Had Dodd been a Republican, there would already be a call for a Special Prosecutor.

          Is false.

          Actually, no, its not false.

          Just because corruption occurs in both/all parties, does not mean that the party currently in power will not appoint Special Prosecutors / Independent Counsels.

          The scope of the mandate to these prosecutors is strictly limited to specific actions by specific individuals or specific matters [wikipedia.org], and anything they accidentally discover about the actions of people outside their mandate is never brought to light.

      • Only if the Democrats were in charge. If the Republicans were in charge it would just be swept under the rug as business as usual.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 24, 2012 @03:49PM (#38809567)

    The petition titled "Actually take these petitions seriously instead of just using them as an excuse to pretend you are listening" reached 25,000 by the required date and currently has 33,000 signatures. It has received no response despite being almost 3 months old.

    (Link: https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/petition/actually-take-these-petitions-seriously-instead-just-using-them-excuse-pretend-you-are-listening/grQ9mNkN)

    "We the people" is a propaganda tool to be exploited when convenient, and nothing more.

    • I think the purpose is collecting data on who cares about what, where to allow for targeting marketing.

    • by dgatwood (11270) on Tuesday January 24, 2012 @04:04PM (#38809763) Journal

      You didn't really think they'd take the take these petitions seriously petition seriously, did you? Of course not. They're waiting for the inevitable take this take this petition seriously petition seriously petition. Then they'll reply. Maybe. And when they do, they'll take this take this take this petition seriously petition seriously petition seriously.

      Seriously.

    • Same problem with our UK e-petitions. I signed a few and just got a bunch of propaganda emailed to me.
      Just gotta hope it backfires on them like the cahiers de doleances [wikipedia.org]. Vive la revolution.

    • Did you notice how they want your real-life information for these petitions?

      This isn't about giving people a voice in government. It's about collecting people's information so they can be solicited for campaign contributions.

      When you go into a store and they ask you for your info and one of the items is "email address", do you give the real email address? Of course not, because you know you're going to get all kinds of spam from those people.

    • And the solution to that is to gather more signatures and create another petition stating that they need to stop ignoring petitions that have met their requirements for a response. Then toss it out to the media and see if any grab on to it. It would work better to toss it to some right wing media as they would be more likely to go after the current administration. Love or hate them the right wing media is a political force so why not use it for good for once.
    • by Rary (566291)

      I wish they had responded to its funnier predecessor (no link because it has expired and is no longer visible on the website):

      We demand a vapid, condescending, meaningless, politically safe response to this petition.

      Since these petitions are ignored apart from an occasional patronizing and inane political statement amounting to nothing more than a condescending pat on the head, we the signers would enjoy having the illusion of success. Since no other outcome to this process seems possible, we demand that the White House immediately assign a junior staffer to compose a tame and vapid response to this petition, and never attempt to take any meaningful action on this or any other issue. We would also like a cookie.

  • Awesome (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Osgeld (1900440) on Tuesday January 24, 2012 @03:49PM (#38809569)

    I await the generic response pulled from the filing cabinet soon

    • by v1 (525388)

      i suppose we'll get something that looks like a freedom of information request reply that is 18 pages of black "redacted" bars.

      Or someone will fly in with a cape and shout "this investigation has been halted for reasons of national security!" and fly away.

  • by Eldragon (163969) on Tuesday January 24, 2012 @03:52PM (#38809595)

    ...the White House quietly removes the We the People petition system.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 24, 2012 @03:53PM (#38809601)

    My expectations are very, very low as to the outcome of this petition. Anyone who expects anything more than a cursory "We understand your concerns but feel statements made on a news channel do not merit an investigation" has their head in the sand.. ..but still, I can't help but tap at the sand regardless.

    Now I think a petition should be made about the RIAA/MPAA suing dead grandmas and 10 year old children.

  • Don't Stop Now (Score:3, Informative)

    by ios and web coder (2552484) on Tuesday January 24, 2012 @03:59PM (#38809691) Journal

    Keep on signing that puppy. I think they need to realize that there's a few more than "just" 25K people interested.

    Here's another poll that folks might like to John Henry. [whitehouse.gov]

  • Wow ... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by gstoddart (321705) on Tuesday January 24, 2012 @04:08PM (#38809831) Homepage

    This is the first I'm reading the link [techdirt.com] fro the last Slashdot story [slashdot.org]
    Seriously ...

    "Those who count on quote 'Hollywood' for support need to understand that this industry is watching very carefully who's going to stand up for them when their job is at stake. Don't ask me to write a check for you when you think your job is at risk and then don't pay any attention to me when my job is at stake,"

    I didn't think any of these guys went so far as to acknowledge that they've been bought and paid for. Usually they try to couch it in nicer terms, but this pretty much says if you're gonna take the bribe, you gotta do what they tell you.

    Holy crap, does that sound illegal. Not that they'd over pass laws that actually limit the money from the lobbyists ... that's too big of a chunk of their income.

    And people wonder why everyone thinks politicians are corrupt.

  • by ZOmegaZ (687142) on Tuesday January 24, 2012 @04:14PM (#38809909) Homepage
    I wouldn't be surprised if the White House has Dodd himself write a response. When the "End the TSA" petition got a response, it was written by the head of the TSA. Why not?
  • by GodfatherofSoul (174979) on Tuesday January 24, 2012 @04:19PM (#38809973)

    I looked at his comments and I don't feel the outrage we're getting bombarded with on Slashdot. Especially over a 25K online petition. Believe me, I have a lot of problems with Dodd's cozy relationship with the financial industry (probably what's driving him out of the Senate), but this is hardly one of them.

    • by Bill Dimm (463823) on Tuesday January 24, 2012 @04:39PM (#38810251) Homepage

      I have a lot of problems with Dodd's cozy relationship with the financial industry (probably what's driving him out of the Senate)

      Driving him out of the Senate? He's already out of the Senate. He is now the Chairman and CEO of the MPAA [mpaa.org]. Hence, his statement is from the MPAA to his former colleagues in the Senate saying that the MPAA gave them money so they better pass the legislation the MPAA demands. Somehow, the fact that Dodd is now the head of the MPAA is often left out of the reporting (even left out of the petition). Does that make the sleaziness a little clearer?

  • by Attila Dimedici (1036002) on Tuesday January 24, 2012 @04:22PM (#38810021)
    Why would anyone expect fromer Senator Dodd to be investigated for this? This is the man who, along with a few others, stood in the way of anyone doing anything about the problems with the financial systems in this country until it all blew up. Then he was asked to write the law that would "fix" the problem that led to the meltdown.
  • by gestalt_n_pepper (991155) on Tuesday January 24, 2012 @04:23PM (#38810043)

    1) They were never allowed to physically meet lawmakers, ever.

    2) All requests were limited to about 1000 words per week, in email.

    3) All such requests were publically viewable via the internet as unformatted text files.

    4) All lawmakers submitted their finances to lifelong review after serving with an eye to spotting cash sources from foreign bank accounts. Better still, make having foreign accounts or receiving money from foreign accounts a felony for ex-lawmakers.

    5) No ex-lawmaker was ever allowed to act as a lobbyist, ever.

  • Those > 27k people who sign the petition is now on the White House hit list!
  • by eepok (545733) on Tuesday January 24, 2012 @04:48PM (#38810365) Homepage

    "Oh... the government will do nothing!"
    "The crooks won't investigate their handlers!"
    "The petition will be ignored!"

    Are you the **AA 'turfing or just fashionably rebellious with your doubt of the value of the US Judicial system? If you've given up already, why are you bothering to comment?

    Remember when Nixon was investigated? What about when Clinton got some booty on the side? Big investigations DO happen and they have to start somewhere. If you don't like the idea of an investigation, then say so. I'd genuinely like to hear those comments. But if all you got are "Whaaa! They've done nothing in the past, they'll do nothing again!", then you're the worst kind. You remove value from the entire discussion and give nothing in return..

    If you give in to your butt-hurt and so easily declare "They so rarely do what I want... why bother?", then WE can never get anything done. You are WORSE than those who do nothing because you KNOW something is bad and take the time to discourage others from acting on the injustice.

    • by na1led (1030470)
      Tyrants are defiant right to their death! So if you don't plan on hanging someone, don't expect much!

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