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Why Richard Stallman Was Right All Along 807

Posted by Soulskill
from the legislation-tends-toward-gibberish dept.
jrepin sends this excerpt from an opinion piece at OSNews: "Late last year, president Obama signed a law that makes it possible to indefinitely detain terrorist suspects without any form of trial or due process. Peaceful protesters in Occupy movements all over the world have been labelled as terrorists by the authorities. Initiatives like SOPA promote diligent monitoring of communication channels. Thirty years ago, when Richard Stallman launched the GNU project, and during the three decades that followed, his sometimes extreme views and peculiar antics were ridiculed and disregarded as paranoia — but here we are, 2012, and his once paranoid what-ifs have become reality."
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Why Richard Stallman Was Right All Along

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 02, 2012 @07:25PM (#38567030)

    ... leads to the concentration of wealth and power which naturally leads to dictatorship.

  • by msobkow (48369) on Monday January 02, 2012 @07:26PM (#38567046) Homepage Journal

    I have yet to see a nation or government take the official stance that Occupy are terrorists. Squatters, freedom-of-speech-abusers, illegal encampments, yes, but not terrorists.

    Peaceful protesters in Occupy movements all over the world have been labelled as terrorists by the authorities

    While I decry the NDAA and SOPA as much as anyone, I'll not buy into the Occupy claims of victimization and persecution when they squatted for TWO MONTHS before the police were sent in to clear them out. You have a right to protest, to share your ideas, and to educate the public. You do NOT have the right to squat in public spaces until the world does things your way, or we'd still have grey-haired hippies camped out all across the nation demanding that you "free the weed."

    I certainly won't buy any paranoid claims that they're going to be locked up as terrorists.

  • by russotto (537200) on Monday January 02, 2012 @07:28PM (#38567076) Journal

    According to TFA's TFA
    "The administration also pushed Congress to change a provision that would have denied U.S. citizens suspected of terrorism the right to trial and could have subjected them to indefinite detention. Lawmakers eventually dropped the military custody requirement for U.S. citizens or lawful U.S. residents"

    I haven't checked the text of the legislation, but this seems to indicate that it's still only foreigners Bush IV can lock up forever.

  • For the record (Score:5, Informative)

    by rsilvergun (571051) on Monday January 02, 2012 @07:29PM (#38567080)
    they used the Patriot Act against the Occupy Wall Street protestors :). This folks, is why I'm a left wing socialist. And for those of you keeping score Obama centrist leaning to the right (or a liberal without the stomach for a good fight, but same thing really).
    • Re:For the record (Score:5, Insightful)

      by trout007 (975317) on Monday January 02, 2012 @09:14PM (#38568156)

      The best part of this legislation is you can't bring it before the Supreme Court. You have to have standing to bring the lawsuit but if you have standing it means you are locked away without access to an attorney indefinitely.

  • by mapkinase (958129) on Monday January 02, 2012 @07:36PM (#38567148) Homepage Journal

    "So when I get into a car - a computer I put my body into - with my hearing aid - a computer I put inside my body - I want to know that these technologies are not designed to keep secrets from me, and to prevent me from terminating processes on them that work against my interests."

  • in a veto-proof manner, after Obama had the language softened, and it doesn't apply to any random American, and it doesn't apply to anyone labeled a 'terrorist', only to people associated with specific terrorist groups.

    I don't agree with the slippery slope this legislation started, but please, Enough With the Sensationalism.

    • by jyx (454866) on Tuesday January 03, 2012 @01:11AM (#38569450)

      in a veto-proof manner, after Obama had the language softened, and it doesn't apply to any random American, and it doesn't apply to anyone labeled a 'terrorist', only to people associated with specific terrorist groups.

      And who identifies these terrorist groups? And how does one prove they are not a member of these groups?

      I'm thinking there's a shit load of annoying activist type people who have the most tenuous link to that shadowy Anonymous terror organization that can now be made to 'disappear' for a short time, if required.

      And how does one get to the necessary judicial assistance to prove that you *are* an American once your in the part of the system that says 'no trials, indefinite secret detention'?

      Enough With the Sensationalism.

      No, more with the sensationalism. It is now the only way people will listen to anything through the rest of the artificial sensationalism.

      And if you think that any legislation that brings your country closer to the workings of the soviet empire of old then hand in your citizen papers and continue assuming they wont come for you.

  • by unity100 (970058) on Monday January 02, 2012 @08:17PM (#38567524) Homepage Journal

    As our society grows more dependent on computers, the software we run is of critical importance to securing the future of a free society. Free software is about having control over the technology we use in our homes, schools and businesses, where computers work for our individual and communal benefit, not for proprietary software companies or governments who might seek to restrict and monitor us.

    stallman said this. and it is happening - private corporations and governments are separately and in conjunction trying to control everything.

    so far so good, right ? and you are asking, 'what does this have to do with free software', right ?

    are you idiots ? what are we turning to, as this trend gets more serious ? software that is free, and uncontrollable, and circumvents any kinds of bans/gateways/filters ? from tor to proxies, to free oses that thankfully run these ? imagine what would have happened if instead of linux, some jacked up windows nt server was the basis for the web at large today ? all it would take microsoft to twist us in the balls would be to prevent certain software (proxy, vpn) from running on their servers with a 'security update' when local governments requested it and voila !

    dont at a moment think that 'they wouldnt do that'. they DO that. we have seen endless cases of repression cooperation, user-busting, shady dealings get to news in slashdot and we discussed under their summaries here, altogether. so, dont at a moment dumb down and think they wouldnt - they ARE doing it.

    and what would happen if stallman did not come with those 'radical' ideas, and relentlessly pushed for them ? we would be living in a more closed, private internet, and we would have been already grabbed by our balls long ago. At least now, we are on the cliff's edge - with all this sopa and shit. we maybe have a chance.

    so wise up. world history has been exclusively changed for the better by radicals in the last 2 centuries. here's another, and he is talking good stuff. the fact that these stuff may be too futuristic or utopic for you, would just put you in early 1900s moron's shoes if you come up and claim that he is nuts. everyone ranging from wright brothers to nikola tesla were dubbed as nuts at some point. even thomas paine, was shamefully labeled as a lunatic. now noone can dare argue against the principles he had spearheaded, in a scientific environment - they have become de facto basis of freedom of scientific thought from dogma and religion.

    if you did not know who even thomas paine was, i am wondering what the fuck you were doing in a thread, labeling someone who was a radical visionary, as a nut.

  • by nurb432 (527695) on Monday January 02, 2012 @08:18PM (#38567532) Homepage Journal

    His inability to not appear to be a raving madman insured that his message would be lost to the masses.

    If no one listens, who cares if you are right or wrong?

  • by Doc Ruby (173196) on Monday January 02, 2012 @08:24PM (#38567620) Homepage Journal

    RMS is a technohippie, an archetypical one. The hippies were right about everything:
    Sex
    Drugs
    Rock & roll
    Vietnam, and war in general
    Nixon, and politicians in general
    Capitalism (as practiced, not as they lie to us in school about it)
    Religion, and dogma in general
    Computers
    Freedom

  • It's unfortunate (Score:4, Insightful)

    by crossmr (957846) on Monday January 02, 2012 @08:53PM (#38567962) Journal

    That the americans of today are not the americans of over 200 years ago. The ones today really aren't prepared to fight for what is important. They've become fat and complacent, and have no problem bending over and taking it from their government again and again. Despite the fact that they are armed to the teeth, most of them would tire before reaching the end of their driveway and when faced against a modern military using modern tactics, they'd be decimated.

    At some point Canada is going to have to man-up, invade, and bring democracy back to the USA.

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