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Anti-Whaling Group Using Drones To Find Whalers 377

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FatLittleMonkey writes "Anti-whaling group Sea Shepherd is using aerial drones to find and track factory ships used by Japanese whalers. The group claims the tactic shortened the Japanese whaling season last year by a month, saving 200 whales, and this year they've spotted the factory ship even earlier."
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Anti-Whaling Group Using Drones To Find Whalers

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  • For the country that usually is known for its robots, that sure seems to be an embarrassment.

  • by antifoidulus (807088) on Monday December 26, 2011 @05:13AM (#38492902) Homepage Journal
    I don't get the opposition to hunting non-endangered whales. The whales being hunted(mostly minke whales), are nowhere near endangered, so why is there just so much opposition to the whaling? Do these people really have nothing better to do with their time and money than harassing fishing boats? Maybe they should just get into Magic the Gathering instead, eats time and money like nothing else....

    Also have these people actually tried whale meat? It's delicious.
    • by thegoldenear (323630) on Monday December 26, 2011 @05:28AM (#38492946) Homepage

      There's a lot of people on the planet, and so a lot of time being spent by them, why does the small amount of time these people spend grate on you that much? What do you spend your time doing?

    • by mrchaotica (681592) * on Monday December 26, 2011 @05:28AM (#38492948)

      This group was founded by a guy who got kicked out of Greenpeace for being too extreme. Logic has nothing to do with their decisions.

      That said, possible justifications might include the argument that the whales are too intelligent to ethically kill, or the argument that the law only allows killing whales for scientific research but the Japanese are instead killing them for food/profit (despite the word "research" written on the sides of their ships).

      Also have these people actually tried whale meat? It's delicious.

      I'd be very surprised if they aren't all vegans.

      • by axx (1000412) on Monday December 26, 2011 @05:42AM (#38492998) Homepage

        I believe Watson left Greenpeace because they were softening up. Different interpretations?

        The Japanese have massive factory ships dedicated to cutting up and conditioning whales, and according to Wikipedia: “The efficiency of these ships and the predation they carried out on whales contributed greatly to the animal's precipitous decline.”
        These are, supposedly, research vessels. You have to appreciate the hypocrisy.

        Also, Sea Shepherd vessels *are* vegan, to the best of my knowledge.

        And SSCS also have a PGP key to send them encrypted email, c'mon, /. should approve of them.

      • by Discopete (316823) on Monday December 26, 2011 @06:29AM (#38493144) Homepage

        Paul Watson was asked to leave Greenpeace because when GP was attempting to get charitable status with the US IRS, the IRS told them "No property damage". Later that week, Watson disarmed a harp seal hunter who was clubbing a seal to death and tossed the club into the ocean. That is considered property damage and the board asked him to resign.

        A few years later, one of the other founders of GP decided that they had become too soft, left and joined Sea Shepherd.

        I believe everyone on board SS's ships are vegetarian, if not Vegan.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by axx (1000412)

      I'm trying to figure out if you're trolling, or just have never considered the ethics of hunting and killing other sentient species for pleasure.

      You may not realise this, but whaling is actually against international regulations. Sea Shepherd simply enforce the ban in International waters, given no one else does. They also protect and defend many other marine species.

      It's called conservation.

      Overfishing and fucked up fishing practices are incredibly common place, it's good we have some people trying to prev

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward

        I'm trying to figure out if you're trolling, or just have never considered the ethics of hunting and killing other sentient species for pleasure.

        I don't think they're doing it for fun.

      • by tyldis (712367)

        The whole whaling debate is fueled by black and white arguments.
        Truth is, that the nations involved in whaling only allow hunting on selected species that have sustainable stock. Sea Shepherd has lost most of it's credibility ages ago, and their mode of operation is threatening and destroying lives.

        I'll set fire to all my karma and throw in some kind words on the subject of seal hunting as well ;)
        Fortunately there aren't many PETA-people around in Norway, they tend to freeze to death.

    • so why is there just so much opposition to the whaling?

      I don't know. Difference of opinions?

    • by unity100 (970058) on Monday December 26, 2011 @06:00AM (#38493048) Homepage Journal
      whaling is illegal in majority of countries which actually could engage in whaling. case in point below.

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7188674.stm [bbc.co.uk]

      that means, the majority of the countries which have a stake in this, are against whaling. but, japan, engages in whaling on its own accord.

      then lets reflect on this - where does the 'individual freedom' stop ? see, majority of the countries in the world find something unethical and ban something, like slavery. and then is it ok if i broke accord and go against majority, and engage in slaving within my own country or international waters/zones - based on my own 'freedom' ?

      it is a simple case of individual freedom's limits. there is no unlimited individual freedom, and there cant be unlimited individual freedom. you cant just go shit in your neighbor's backyard, or your neighbor cant just shit on the streets in common space. there are all encompassing rules that everyone needs to obey for society to EXIST (note how i didnt say 'work', but, even to exist), and these rules are determined by the overall level of ethics and morals understanding of the entire society. (planet in this case).
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Ardeaem (625311)
      "I don't get the opposition to hunting non-endangered humans. The people I'd like to hunt (mostly developmentally-disabled people), are nowhere near endangered, so why is there just so much opposition to the people hunting? Do these anti-human hunting people really have nothing better to do with their time and money than harassing human-hunting parties? Maybe they should just get into Magic the Gathering instead, eats time and money like nothing else...."

      Seriously, if you think the amount of a particular
    • by Discopete (316823) on Monday December 26, 2011 @06:25AM (#38493136) Homepage

      The Japanese are not "Whaling", they are conducting "Research" which apparently involves stockpiling whale meat for consumption. The Japanese whaling fleet has repeatedly violated international treaties and at least one off-limits whale sanctuary. The largest power in the area is Australia and they refuse to enforce the international treaties that apply to the sanctuary, hence Sea Shepard has to step in and enforce the law.

    • by AlanS2002 (580378)

      I don't get the opposition to hunting non-endangered whales. The whales being hunted(mostly minke whales), are nowhere near endangered, so why is there just so much opposition to the whaling?

      So, lets just hunt them until they are endangered and then move on to the next species?

    • by Cyberax (705495)

      "I don't get the opposition to hunting non-endangered whales. The whales being hunted(mostly minke whales), are nowhere near endangered"

      Yet.

      And not only mink whales are being hunted.

    • by Runaway1956 (1322357) on Monday December 26, 2011 @07:32AM (#38493304) Homepage Journal

      There's a narrow line between "endangered" and "not endangered". The seas have grown barren, compared to 300 years ago. With five years of sea duty behind me, I can state that whale sightings are rare, dolphins are only somewhat less rare.

      It's a bit tough to find tales of life at sea 300 or more years ago, that don't include a lot of superstitious nonsense, but it seems to have been common for ships to be constantly trailed by dolphins, and whales were common sights. With each passing decade, there are fewer and fewer.

      The only two explanations for that, that make any sense, are over hunting, and pollution.

      We really need to allow the ocean, and the populations found in the ocean to recover. Why wait until any given species is actually "endangered" before trying to conserve resources?

    • Is it OK to hunt humans then?

    • by DesScorp (410532)

      I don't get the opposition to hunting non-endangered whales. The whales being hunted(mostly minke whales), are nowhere near endangered, so why is there just so much opposition to the whaling?

      Because the Save-The-Whales crowd won the PR war a long time ago. Whales are animals, nothing more. But groups like Greenpeace (very smartly, I might add) have fudged that fact with fluff about whales being nearly as smart as humans, having their own language, etc, when there's really no evidence of the sort. Some animals are smarter than others, but in the end, they're just animals. Either there here for our use or they aren't. If a species of whale isn't endangered, then there's no more moral qualms about

  • As well as lots of other species. No fuss about those.

    Why is it that those guys still act like it's 1968? We have different problems these days!
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by puppybeard (1971088)
      There is fuss about both of those, perhaps you aren't aware of it.
      http://www.nasco.int/ [nasco.int] for Salmon

      http://www.tunaresearch.org/ [tunaresearch.org] for Tuna

      And you forgot cod: http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/media/press-releases/greenpeace-ship-sails-to-save-north-sea-cod [greenpeace.org.uk]

      And to be fair to them, while I don't see myself joining their fight, at least they have the balls to stand up for something, sure there are problems in the world, but most people don't bother addressing those problems either. Apathy, not whale conserva
    • by axx (1000412) on Monday December 26, 2011 @05:47AM (#38493020) Homepage

      In other news, Sea Shepherd are a conservation group, they defend all marine species, including Tuna (for which they have been doing a major Mediterranean campaign). You should check the width of their action before pointing out “boo, there are other fish species endangered, so you get no points for protecting one and not all of them!”.

      Interesting that while TFA is about clever use of technology in a space where it's not obvious, most slashdotters seem more interested in bashing the group of people using this technology for not following their (very traditional and anthropocentric) view of life. Nice.

      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        by tp1024 (2409684)
        Sea Shepherd is not a conservation group, it's a group of terrorists attacking people on sea. Means are not justified by the ends.
    • by AlanS2002 (580378)

      As well as lots of other species. No fuss about those.

      So if I'm not taking action about every single issue on the planet, I'm automatically discredited?

    • People only care about cute species. Even Sea Kittens are not that cute.
  • In the near future they could use a swarm of drones to both deflect the whalers boats and to scare away the whales themselves. With a large enough supply of drones, the hunting could be made virtually impossible (or at least increasingly economically unviable). This is very good news for the whales.
  • Company name: Jairan. Project code name: Rodan!

    This will definitely be a growth area in military industry in the next few years, as all smaller countries scramble to rid themselves of those meddling spy drones. Look for them at the next air warfare exhibition.

    But what could they be . . . ? Anti-GPS radio beams . . . ? Laser pointers to blind the pilots back at the command base . . . ?

    C'mom, ./er's . . . put on your imagination caps, and tell us your ideas! This anti-whaling skirmish is just the start

    • Micro-missiles would be politically difficult - can't just let civilians play around with those without a lot of regulation. Some sort of ECM system would be doable. Find the downlink frequency, directional antenna and tracking system locked on to the uplink. Disrupt the control connection. Drones aren't so dumb they'll crash, but the autopilot will kick in, turning the drone around and sending it back from whence it came.
  • Sea Shepard are not new to fancy high tech gear. Sure last year they may have been firing bow and arrows at the Japanese whaling fleet, but they were doing it from one hell of an awesome boat [wikipedia.org].

    At least it was one hell of an awesome boat until the idiots managed to get it sunk / sink it (depending on who you ask) in a collision with a whaling boat.

  • by Khith (608295) on Monday December 26, 2011 @06:50AM (#38493192)
    Here's a picture of the drone! [hometheaterforum.com]
  • I used to be an anti-whaling activist, but then I took an arrow in the knee.

  • Can't these things even carry a small torpedo, then?

    • by wvmarle (1070040)

      Technically, yes, assuming the drone is big enough to carry the weight. However Sea Shepherd may be pretty aggressive, they will always try to prevent loss of life. That includes lives of whales, but also of people (their own, and the Japanese whalers).

  • Kudos to the Sea Shephard Society!

  • According to the article linked in the summary, last year the Japanese fleet managed to kill less than 200 whales out of a quota of over 1,000. So their mission was pretty successful, and apparently this year they try to do even better.

    On a personal note: I don't agree with whaling (it's not a much wanted food source, in contrast to other species of fish), but also don't agree with their often quite aggressive tactics. Yet they do get the headlines, and that may spark more people to think about conservation

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