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WikiLeaks Took Advice From Media Outlets 385

formfeed writes "According to the AP (through Google News), WikiLeaks isn't just sitting on the recent material so they can release it bit by bit to the press, as many people implied. On the contrary, it's quite the other way around: 'only after considering advice from five news organizations with which it chose to share all of the material' are they releasing it themselves. These newspapers 'have been advising WikiLeaks on which documents to release publicly and what redactions to make to those documents.' AP questions whether WikiLeaks will follow these redactions, but nevertheless seems quite impressed by this 'extraordinary collaboration between some of the world's most respected media outlets and the WikiLeaks organization.'" I wonder if some of the anti-WikiLeaks fervor evident among US lawmakers will also be brought to bear against the AP and other mainstream media sources. Update: 12/05 17:42 GMT by T : Yes, that's WikiLeaks, rather than (as originally rendered) WikiPedia. HT to reader Mike Hearn.
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WikiLeaks Took Advice From Media Outlets

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  • The wikileaks (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 05, 2010 @12:54PM (#34451288)

    be used to wage war against information access, like 9-11 is used to wage war against liberty and freedom.

  • Fix the summary (Score:5, Insightful)

    by DarkOx ( 621550 ) on Sunday December 05, 2010 @12:58PM (#34451314) Journal

    I wonder if some of the anti-Wikipedia fervor evident among US lawmakers will also be brought to bear against the AP and other mainstream media sources.

    Please lets not conflate Wikipedia and Wikileaks. That is not good for anyone.

  • But...but...but... (Score:0, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 05, 2010 @01:01PM (#34451344)

    I thought the media was nothing but a bunch of Democrat shills!

  • by russotto ( 537200 ) on Sunday December 05, 2010 @01:03PM (#34451386) Journal

    Go ahead and pressure Network Solutions to pull nytimes.com. See how well that works.

  • by leehwtsohg ( 618675 ) on Sunday December 05, 2010 @01:04PM (#34451390)
    Hmmmm.... first internet war that we can actually observe and follow as it happens is not news for nerds, stuff that matters? Then what is? Where would nerds get their first-hand account? Whose embeded journalists would sit with the hackers at the NSA as they destroy the fibers of the internet to strain the wikileaks out of them?
  • by TimHunter ( 174406 ) on Sunday December 05, 2010 @01:04PM (#34451392)

    Plus, it's obvious how biased the editors and readers are in favor of wikileaks.

    The biases of Slashdot's editors and readers are numerous as well as obvious. Pro-Linux, anti-Apple, anti-Microsoft, anti-constraints on downloading free entertainment, etc. Why are you surprised that they show a bias about Wikileaks too?

  • by Mindcontrolled ( 1388007 ) on Sunday December 05, 2010 @01:08PM (#34451408)
    Nothing. That's what makes it so scary. This is a fundamental assault on the very concept of a free press - and I am quite scared of the amount of people wanting to see Assange's head on a pole here. Those people are the enablers of totalitarianism.
  • by bkmoore ( 1910118 ) on Sunday December 05, 2010 @01:12PM (#34451430)
    I think Wikileaks has been discussed ad nauseam here on /. I am a former insider, but a civilian now. My position is somewhere in the middle of the spectrum on this debate. The U.S. needs to realize that even if they successfully drive Wikileaks from the internet, it is an idea whose time has come and there will be other whistle blower web sites from here on out. I am concerned that if the US makes it a crime to publish classified information obtained from sources, it will basically end investigative journalism and take the US one step closer to being like Russia or China. So instead of focusing on destroying Wikileaks, the US should focus on preventing leaks from occurring. Pvt Manning needs to be punished. His commanding officer, executive officer and security officer all need to be fired and sent into early retirement. Mr. Assange wouldn't have much of a web site if Pvt. Manning hadn't sent him those CDs.
  • by Surt ( 22457 ) on Sunday December 05, 2010 @01:15PM (#34451458) Homepage Journal

    No, slashdot is pro-apple. You'll be virulently downmodded if you criticize the great one (Jobs).

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 05, 2010 @01:23PM (#34451518)

    No, slashdot is pro-apple. You'll be virulently downmodded if you criticize the great one (Jobs).

    From what I can tell...

    Slashdot is Pro-Apple, Pro-Microsoft, Pro-Linux, Pro-PS3, Pro-Xbox, pro-Wii, pro-piracy, anti-piracy, anti-Wii, anti-xbox, anti-PS3, anti-Linux, anti-Microsoft, anti-Apple, anti-computers, pro-computers

    should I continue?

  • by russotto ( 537200 ) on Sunday December 05, 2010 @01:25PM (#34451542) Journal

    Of course the US government declined to assist. "Hi, we just got a whole bunch of classified documents you'd rather us not have, and we'd like to publish them. Want to help us redact them?" Any answer the government gives other than "publish nothing" is basically approving Wikileaks publishing leaked documents.

  • by js3 ( 319268 ) on Sunday December 05, 2010 @01:29PM (#34451568)

    The U.S hasn't actually done anything to wikileaks, I know there's a lot of hysteria around it and the administration are opposed to it because of the embarrassment is causes (and generally makes everyone else's work much harder to do now) but there's really nothing in the leaks that point or show any wrong doing. All it shows in the internal back and forth of the inner workings of the government, as far as spying on diplomats so what? everyone spies.. and believe it or not it's in the best interest of YOUR country to know as much about other countries as possible.

    You don't wanna invade another country based on bad information right? [/sarcasm]

  • by copponex ( 13876 ) on Sunday December 05, 2010 @01:30PM (#34451586) Homepage

    The USG has nothing to fear from the NYT or any other news source. They are always interested in keeping access to government officials, so they never step over the line when reporting the news. They don't report on the reality of war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Editors at the major media companies are good friends with everyone in Washington and Wall Street, so you can't get good coverage there either.

    Even looking at coverage of WikiLeaks, how many are reporting that the US State Department new immediately that the coup in Honduras was illegal, and then publicly stated a month later that they hadn't decided what had happened? How many are reporting that Hillary Clinton knew Saudi Arabia was the main funding source for the worst extremist groups in the world, but did not publicly reveal this to US Citizens for fear of damaging trade relations with the oil barons?

    You would think that would even be front page news on Fox, who'd bread is buttered by fear mongering about muslim terrorists, but it's always below the fold, or on some opinion column that never sees the front page. That's because one of their main investors is a Saudi Prince.

    A truly independent press is too dangerous for the United States to tolerate. It's told too many lies to too many people for too long. They know WikiLeaks has zero self-interest in American interests, and that's why the organization is so feared.

    During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. -George Orwell

  • by joh ( 27088 ) on Sunday December 05, 2010 @01:32PM (#34451610)

    This is really interesting. From TFA: "The Times said it intends to publish only about 100 or so of the records. And the other news organizations that have the material said they likely will release only a fraction."

    Well, this is mostly very boring stuff. Still, having only a handful of newspapers and some journalists try to find something interesting in this large pile of documents means that there will be gems that will not be found. These cables go back to 1966 and there must be very interesting details in there about things that just aren't on the radar for these journalists.

    I'm really looking forward to Wikileaks publishing all of this.

  • No, here's why (Score:4, Insightful)

    by BigSlowTarget ( 325940 ) on Sunday December 05, 2010 @01:40PM (#34451664) Journal

    There's little question the AP and other press sources wouldn't have published anything like the volume of information Wikileaks has. Right now they are acting as a restraint rather than an enabler and it's likely the government will see them as an ally trying to bring a troublesome organization under control. I don't think that's the role the press is supposed to have, but they have decided that for whatever reasons they must make decisions about what the public should see rather than maximizing transparency and reporting simple facts.

  • by Bai jie ( 653604 ) on Sunday December 05, 2010 @01:46PM (#34451702)

    Profit trumps ideology any day.

    Profit IS ideology.

  • by Mindcontrolled ( 1388007 ) on Sunday December 05, 2010 @01:52PM (#34451744)
    Section 798 deals with the disclosure of information. The information was already disclosed, however. So where is the problem? The other two deal with national defense. I am not aware that there is any defense-related information in the cables. On a different note, why should Wikileaks care about US law? It's not like they are under your jurisdiction. In contrast, they are part of the free world, not of the totalitarian regime the likes of you want to install. I fervently hope you do not succeed.
  • by SETIGuy ( 33768 ) on Sunday December 05, 2010 @01:52PM (#34451746) Homepage

    Pro-Linux, anti-Apple, anti-Microsoft, anti-constraints on downloading free entertainment, etc.

    You could probably combine those into a single "pro-freedom" or "pro-individual rights".

  • by elucido ( 870205 ) * on Sunday December 05, 2010 @02:00PM (#34451820)

    If they don't help the government they too can be charged with rape, pedophilia, or something heinous. Their career as a journalist can be ended with a phonecall, their marriage can be ended with a phonecall, do you understand the amount of power the spy agencies have? One phonecall and a life can be destroyed.

    Assange might be willing to take a rape charge with a straight face and stiff upper lip but most Americans are cowardly and want to save their asses.

  • by Mindcontrolled ( 1388007 ) on Sunday December 05, 2010 @02:02PM (#34451838)
    Why the flaming fuck should any agent of the free press care if the US government tells it "numerous times" not to publish something? Not giving a fuck about that is the very definition of free press.
  • by Mindcontrolled ( 1388007 ) on Sunday December 05, 2010 @02:20PM (#34452046)
    Here we go again. Freedom of press is fine as long as the government likes it. Thanks for making that clear. Stalin is proud of you. Oh, and btw - no one is keeping a cache of documents for the purpose of blackmail, but for the purpose of their own security. Which is unfortunately necessary as long as the likes of you are around. And spare me the character assassination stuff. You s
  • by fluffy99 ( 870997 ) on Sunday December 05, 2010 @02:21PM (#34452058)

    What exactly is Wikileaks doing that all these other media organizations aren't also doing?

    No one gave Wikileaks a security clearance; they are incapable of leaking anything. They are merely publishing information that was leaked by someone else. So how are all these attacks on Wikileaks' right to publish justified vs. those of the NY Times or the Associated Press?

    That's the ironic part. Wikileaks is outside the US and its laws, but NYT is inside the US and can be prosecuted under existing US laws. That the US govt is purusing Julian and not NYT is indeed hypocritical.

  • by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Sunday December 05, 2010 @02:42PM (#34452280)

    If you feel the media are Democrat shills when the Republicans are in power, everything's fine.
    If you feel the media are Republican shills when the Democrats are in power, everything's fine.

    The media lie and the government lies. As long as they tell different lies, democracy is working.

    You should watch out, though, if they start telling the same lies.

  • by Ignatius ( 6850 ) on Sunday December 05, 2010 @02:43PM (#34452296)

    Being part of the free press ... doesn't give you cover to work with a person who is illegally stealing and transferring classified documents. Period.

    Sure it does. If it doesn't in the US (with may or may not be the case - IANAL), this merely means that you have no free press there and not that a free press cannot work with and publish information obtained by and published by others (criminals or not) or has not the right and obligation to protect their sources.

    And btw: stealing is when I take something away from you so that you no longer have it. Copying - by definition - can never be stealing as the term implies that the original is still there. So the term you're looking for is "copyright infringement", "licence violation" or something similar. Not quite as Manichean, I know, but the truth rarely is.

    ignatius

  • by NotBornYesterday ( 1093817 ) on Sunday December 05, 2010 @02:47PM (#34452342) Journal
    Julian Assange is protecting himself with secrecy. Is that evil? Or are you justifying it because someone you support is doing it, as opposed to someone you don't like?

    Or is it okay because sometimes secrecy is necessary?
  • by yoder ( 178161 ) * <steve.g.tripp@gmail.com> on Sunday December 05, 2010 @02:50PM (#34452370) Journal

    I agree that supporting Wikileaks in any capacity right now is one of the more dangerous things we can do. I have made small donations, so I'm probably under the Witch Hunt radar for now, but I really wonder how surprised I would be to have Feds knocking on my door over the holidays. The US government has acted more like North Korea than I ever would have expected and I think it has taken many by surprise. This just means that the US government will do some serious damage before the people en masse get a clue and try to stop it.

    The one thing that I hope comes from all of this damage is that the US government and military stop abusing their ability to classify information.

  • by yoder ( 178161 ) * <steve.g.tripp@gmail.com> on Sunday December 05, 2010 @02:58PM (#34452440) Journal

    "When the government stops using its authority to make things secret to largely cover up fraud, waste, abuse of power..."

    That is at the heart of this war. The US government and military have abused their ability to classify information to the point that classification has become meaningless.

    "Secrecy is a tool of evil, pure and simple."

    I don't agree here. Classification of information is essential to any government or military (to a point). Unless your ultimate goal is to get rid of government altogether, but that is a different discussion.

  • by walterbyrd ( 182728 ) on Sunday December 05, 2010 @03:09PM (#34452530)

    I am concerned that if the US makes it a crime to publish classified information obtained from sources, it will basically end investigative journalism and take the US one step closer to being like Russia or China.

    I am not sure if that makes sense. Do you know what "classified" means?

    Some degree of government secrecy has always been needed. Government secrecy was as essential during the revolutionary war, as it is today.

    No, Virginia, publishing classified information is absolutely not the same as investigative journalism.

  • by superdude72 ( 322167 ) on Sunday December 05, 2010 @03:09PM (#34452532)

    They provide a secure anonymous drop-box so that people can leak to them without leaving a trail by which to get caught. (It's important to note that Bradley Manning got caught because he went around bragging to others about leaking; WikiLeaks didn't blow his cover, he did that himself)

    So what was Bob Woodward doing when he refused to reveal the identity of Deep Throat? What have countless other journalists done in refusing to reveal sources, to the point of being put in jail for contempt of court?

  • And I don't think they do -- I think most /.'s support legal action against the guy who, in this analogy, purposefully opened the barn door. The debate's over what to do once the pigs are out -- they could have gone to anyone, including foreign governments, and they could have gone there secretly, and they could have gone to someone who would release them instantly without any redaction or offer to work with the government. The only improvement you could reasonably ask for is not to release stuff at all. Anything else would have been worse than the current situation. But the 'enabler' concept comes in because WikiLeaks didn't just happen across stray pigs (to come back to the analogy), they had publicly stated they would take them in and redistribute them, if anyone should provide them. But that's nothing new -- the rest of the media's been doing that all along. It's their business. In fact, you can be somewhat thankful that this went to a sort of neutral third party, not directly to one particular media outlet, who would have had control over the spin of stories coming out. Here, you've got several independent eyes looking at it. So now you're talking about possibly the best kind of enabler, considering who else is out there. This really seems like the lesser of all evils, considering the barn doors aren't locked tight enough.

  • by Scrameustache ( 459504 ) on Sunday December 05, 2010 @03:34PM (#34452776) Homepage Journal

    Now you see how ruthless the [bully] is because their attention is directed toward you. The way to deal with [bullies] is to always stay on their good side. The less attention they have on you generally the better off you are. When you associate with certain networks of people they don't like, even if you just donate a dollar, you'll be put on the radar and it's impossible to get off once you get put on it.

    My, aren't you the submissive little bitch... stand up for your rights. There is more of us than there are of them, if we stick to our principles and refuse to give up, we get to keep our freedoms. If you kneel down, you'll get whipped.

  • by Anthony Mouse ( 1927662 ) on Sunday December 05, 2010 @03:48PM (#34452896)

    Do you want your life ruined over Wikileaks?

    Let's say you're right. The government conspiracies are going to ruin the people who help Wikileaks. Then why are you trying to convince people not to help them? Better that they fight the good fight and some of them get taken down by The Man than that we all continue to live as serfs, no? You've pretty much established that you're more afraid of the CIA than you are brave enough to stand up for what's right; the least you could do is not try to convince other people to be cowards.

  • You've hit it exactly on the head, and no-one seems to be mentioning this.

    NYT and the other US organizations are protected because of the rights enumerated to US citizens by the constitution. Wikileaks, as a foreign entity, has no such protections guaranteed. In this regards, it is not hypocritical at all.

    But I guess its easier to be inflammatory and just say the US government is attacking the free press.

  • by bussdriver ( 620565 ) on Sunday December 05, 2010 @06:49PM (#34454262)

    The US Media is useless and most people I've heard are quite misinformed about Wikileaks. This is NOT news, WikiLeaks has been working with major news outlets (mostly not in USA) for a while now. Back when the politicians were claiming lives lost and the huge evil of the war log leaks the Media didn't report that WikiLeaks was also working with news partners and the NYTimes was working on it with the Gov to make the leaks "responsible." Sure, mistakes were still made - it was not the big deal like it was blown into. The US Media doesn't think or work for a living, they just repeat what the Gov or talking heads or AstroTurf group says and hardly even moderates between those.

    I'm all for redundant news about how WikiLeaks isn't the only one involved.

    Notice how WikiLeaks is being targeted so much stronger now when instead of WAR information? This had to be the last straw, can't let average to stupid people think badly of our 'diplomacy'! Forget the losing of two wars and the MILLION+ dead people you can't give away our diplomatic policies! I don't think most people would be surprised if they leaked that Iraq was ONLY for oil but WikiLeaks would get bombed and Bush still wouldn't be within eyesight of protesters let alone prosecuted.

  • by gknoy ( 899301 ) <gknoy@@@anasazisystems...com> on Sunday December 05, 2010 @08:39PM (#34455092)

    Assange may not consider the US his enemy, but the US government surely considers him an enemy.

  • Re:Fix the summary (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 05, 2010 @11:25PM (#34456070)

    Of course, all of those are US Law, which certainly applies (and should) to the US Citizen (military employee) who illegally copied the information and disseminated it. Those laws of course *do not* apply to non-US Citizens who receive said information.

    Now, whether they might be guilty under some "receiving stolen goods" type of international law might be arguable, but Assange/Wikileaks did not, technically, break any US laws.

  • by Scrameustache ( 459504 ) on Sunday December 05, 2010 @11:40PM (#34456152) Homepage Journal

    Look, it's not blackmail because they're not trying to illegitimately get something from them with he threat of releasing the information, they're trying to make sure they don't get a cruise missile in the face.

    Calling that blackmail is stupid or dishonest.

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