Trump Wins US Presidency For Second Time (decisiondeskhq.com) 666
Major media outlets are beginning to declare former President Trump the winner of the 2024 presidential election, having secured 270 electoral votes. "He becomes the first president in more than 120 years to lose the White House, and then to come back and win it again, after President Grover Cleveland in 1892," notes The Hill. As with previous election announcements on Slashdot, this is your chance to talk about it and what it means for the future of our nation.
In a victory speech,Trump said that he was the leader of "the greatest political movement of all time." He said: "We overcame obstacles that nobody thought possible," adding that he would take office with an "unprecedented and powerful mandate." President Trump has vowed a radical reshaping of American government, tasking SpaceX and Tesla chief executive Elon Musk "with conducting a complete financial and performance audit of the entire federal government and making recommendations for drastic reforms."
In a victory speech,Trump said that he was the leader of "the greatest political movement of all time." He said: "We overcame obstacles that nobody thought possible," adding that he would take office with an "unprecedented and powerful mandate." President Trump has vowed a radical reshaping of American government, tasking SpaceX and Tesla chief executive Elon Musk "with conducting a complete financial and performance audit of the entire federal government and making recommendations for drastic reforms."
I don't understand (Score:5, Insightful)
Disclaimer: I live in a former Communist country.
I just don't get it. From where I stand, that guy's a fraud A to Z. There is nothing appealing about him. Horrible character, lies all the time, has an ego so big the Sun would orbit him if he had gravity.
WHY do people vote for him? And, more importantly, why do people STILL vote for him?
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Re: I don't understand (Score:5, Insightful)
Neither do I, but why then vote for someone who is the least probable to change the system, only to use it to profit from it himself as much as he can, and f*** the people?
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I am appaled by his re-election, precicely for the reason that Trump will continue to erode the democracy in the US.
Harris wouldn't have changed anything either, but I am convinced the GOP under a Trump presidency will make a play for preventing the democrats from winning again, setting the US on a path to being a single party state and eventually ending up like Russia.
I hope I'm wrong..
What the US needs is to end the first past the post system in these elections.
Re: I don't understand (Score:5, Insightful)
I think the fact that you don't understand that the first sentiment of your post is exactly how the opposing side felt and why they elected him in the first place, is what is most wrong with our country today.
I think that if we as a people try a little more to identify with the majority of the opposition as opposed to painting them as the worst 5% of their number and hating them, we would realize that for the most part our values are closer than we think.
We are not a country of trumptards and libtards, but a country of people who for the most part want to live a good life for their family and their neighbors. I guess the pendulum has swung far enough that the people decided that it is time for it to swing back. Our parties largely forgot the concept of actual compromise, so the political maneuvering has been largely to hurt the opposing side and prevent them from being able to win, rather than govern. I worry same may occur now. However considering the last election and this one, and the changes that occurred in the meantime I think perhaps this is a sign that our system still works.
Re: I don't understand (Score:5, Insightful)
Trump and Trump supporters want actual citizens to decide the fate of the country...
Was that what happened in the January 6th riots? Since No True American(tm) would vote for the Democrats, "Actual citizens" had to decide the fate of the country?
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The reality is that immigration is one of the major drivers of economic growth in Western societies. The US government's war against immigration has led to situations like with PSSI, a meatpacking company that employed over a hundred children, or with Hyundai-Kia, which employed 14-year-old children in its factories. As a result of
Re: I don't understand (Score:5, Insightful)
The US just avoided being dragged down to the level of the lowest common denominator.
The US will now sink to the level of Russia where the oligarchs hold sway and the people are forced to beg for scraps. Taxes on the middle class will go up while those on the 1% will go down. Tariffs will wreak havoc on businesses just like they did the last time, causing the defict to once again soar to new records. Freedoms will be curtailed and there will be two classes of people: white men, and everyone else.
So this is how democracy dies, with thunderous applause.
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Re: I don't understand (Score:5, Insightful)
The skills needed to win elections are different from the skills needed to govern.
The election is an emotional appeal. It is the popularity to the masses. During the election every location gets told what they want to hear. Lies are tolerated because of the emotional response. Whatever stokes the population ego, particularly giving people to blame and giving targets for aggression, they win elections.
Governance is about logistics, balance between the masses and the individual, balance of global concerns with national concerns with regional concerns with individual concerns. Government is about policy rather than popularity.
Re: I don't understand (Score:5, Insightful)
Continuing that line of reasoning: not believing in the system, American democracy, is entirely understandable. The public is too easily manipulated to vote on power hungry, immoral individuals and parties, incapable of good government. This is of course a general problem in democracy. There are plenty of examples where democratically elected parties have failed to work in the public's general interest (with Germany in the 1930's en 40's as a horrific schoolbook example) and currently many democracies have difficulty dealing with populist propaganda amplified by social media. But I think in the USA the system is especially vulnerable, having insufficient guards to protect the system from manipulation by the rich and powerful, eroding the checks and balances needed to make sure government is not corrupted. Already, the gains of technological progress flow almost exclusively into the hands of the very rich, while the general population does not benefit or is worse off than in the preceding decades. Yet every party's electoral program ever claims that they will improve the lives for the common people! So yes, of course people have lost faith in the system.
But voting for Trump because you don't believe in the system is of course still very a stupid thing to do, because if he and his cronies get their way, they''ll replace it with something far worse (an autocratic kleptocracy, like Poetin's Russia).
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So, then, what? Set the system on fire by intentionally voting for the one dude who would nuke the whole thing?
"I don't like the house I live in. I should set it on fire, THAT would teach it!"
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Even that makes no sense. Their issue is that they think politicians are in it for themselves and do not represent them. Well that describes Trump perfectly. He's in it to make money and stay out of jail. His policies are not going to help the average American, and he has a proven track record of giving the super wealthy big tax cuts while scamming everyone else.
If it's a protest over mainstream politics then shooting yourself in the dick doesn't seem like an ideal way to go about it.
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Funny, those of us normal folks who lived in the US during Trump's administration enjoyed rising wages, lower taxes, with affordable groceries and housing at that time. We voted for more of that.
You factually voted for less of that. The only one of those things that Trump delivered was lower taxes, and he only gave you that for two years. Everything else on that list was a result of Obama's presidency and it had all conclusively ended by the end of Trump's.
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People don't really want either of them, but when forced to make a choice, they choose the one they think will be less bad.
That and evidently there was a major uptick in Google searches for "Did Joe Biden drop out of the presidential race?".
People who don't pay any attention to anything (and yet we let them vote) expected to go in and vote for Joe, then they didn't see any names on the ballot they recognized.
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That makes some sense.
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Re:I don't understand (Score:5, Insightful)
I just don't get it. From where I stand, that guy's a fraud A to Z. There is nothing appealing about him.
"I just don't understand how Nixon could have won. Nobody I know voted for him".
You don't get . it because you probably live in a bubble, at least socially. But you're not alone, because you have a lot of compatriots on Slashdot.
BTW, Trump is also projected to win the popular vote. And the GOP will take the Senate. And it's looking like the GOP will keep the House, albeit narrowly.
In short, if you can't possibly understand why Trump won, maybe you should get outside of your circles and mingle with other folk who think differently than you. BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF THEM.
Or, you can just keep hanging with the folks here who will insist that it's all due to cheating, Russian "interference", vote suppression, etc etc etc.
Bottom line: Americans know who Donald Trump is. They know his ideas, his positions, and have watched the whole legal circus surrounding him these past two years. They have plenty to judge him by.
And they chose him anyway
Maybe ask yourself "Huh, could it have been that the American electorate considered the alternative that fucking bad? Yes. Yes they did.
Re:I don't understand (Score:5, Interesting)
I know why he won. he won because he was voted.
But why did people vote vor him, specifically?
My take: because he is what they want to be. They want to be that person who can say anything, no matter how big of a balooney it is, and nothing happens to him. they want to be rich and get by by winging it, and so on.
Re: I don't understand (Score:4, Interesting)
Have you considered asking them?
Re: I don't understand (Score:4, Insightful)
Have you considered asking them?
Bingo. The Democrats lost the presidency, the Senate, the HOR, and a majority of the governorships because they won't even talk to 52% of the American people.
A majority of the people don't care about identity politics, don't want drag queens in classrooms, don't want boys on the girls' swim team, are sick of the "asylum" charade at the border, don't like the politicization of the DOJ, and are tired of being called bigots and fascists.
Disclaimer: I didn't vote for Trump, but I understand why most people did ... because I talk to them.
Re: I don't understand (Score:5, Insightful)
It's simpler than that. Trump is a populist, he offers simple solutions to difficult problems. They are not real solutions, but they sound easy and most importantly hurt other people who he blames for everything.
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Bingo. The Democrats lost the presidency, the Senate, the HOR, and a majority of the governorships because they won't even talk to 52% of the American people.
To be fair, most of the world doesn't want to speak to them either.
Re: I don't understand (Score:5, Informative)
cisgender straight white male victim card.
Exit polls show that Trump's share of the "white male" vote declined.
He won because of stronger support from Latino men and young black men.
Re: I don't understand (Score:5, Insightful)
I see. So, it was all the voters' fault.
Why does winning even matter when it's so much easier to sit around feeling smug about losing?
There are six political power bases in America:
1. The presidency
2. The Senate
3. The House of Representatives
4. The Supreme Court and judiciary
5. The governorships
6. The state legislatures
Of those six, the Democrats now control zero. Perhaps, maybe, just maybe, they should look at their policies and question why America isn't buying what they're selling.
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So, it was all the voters' fault.
That's basically the point of democracy, yes.
Re: I don't understand (Score:5, Insightful)
I still don't understand why the Democrats didn't hold a primary. You know your candidate is bad when her own hand-picked cabinet quit because they can't fucking stand her.
Three. Fucking. Years. Ago.
https://www.newsweek.com/kamal... [newsweek.com]
And somehow they got it in their heads that she'd win? I think it hadn't occurred to them that affirmative action might help you get into Harvard, but it doesn't help you win a public office.
Re: I don't understand (Score:5, Insightful)
This.
From what I see from afar, it's not Trump who won the election. It's the democrats and their hubris that lost the election.
They thought they could get Hillary pushed into a presidency, completely ignoring her scandals and unlikeable character. There were better candidates and the way they were pushed to the side was dirty. Voters did not forget that.
Then they thought they can push Biden into a 2nd term despite his dementia becoming clearly obvious. From what I see, he wasn't a bad president, but couldn't sell his victories.
So among all the candidates the dems picked the one already burdened with a bad reputation, with a more than questionable history, and as vice-president an easy target for criticism against the current administration. And again, the dems decided to push through their favorite candidate, as if voters didn't exist and would have the same preferences.
The democrats are lost in their own bubble. They think that whoever party leaders prefer the people will vote for. Maybe this time they'll wake up. Nah, who am I kidding?
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The sad truth is that most electorates are that way, not just Americans. Look at Argentina, or the UK. Populism and charismatic liars are irresistibly seductive.
The only defence is a system that offers a plurality of choices and prevents any one of them gaining absolute power, like it appears Trump now has. With control of the presidency and both houses, a supportive SCOTUS, and immunity, these are worrying times.
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Re:I don't understand (Score:5, Informative)
being female is a strike and then having the audacity to be not white is a double strike.
We recently had a black President and even re-elected him. The closely leading Republican candidate (after Trump) this time was a Sikh woman who will probably be President next time.
The Republicans are fine with electing a "woman of color". Meanwhile, the Democrats main platform is: "If you don't vote for the black Democrat women, you are a misogynist race traitor." Which party seems more obsessed with race?
Re: I don't understand (Score:3)
It's remarkable to behold that people like you that as topped up on bile, berating others as "ghouls" and "imbeciles" think you have what it takes to criticise others.
All you have is frothing hate and an unfounded superiority complex.
A few point to explain it to you (Score:5, Informative)
1) IQ is a gaussian centered around 100. So effectively half the population is below average intelligence and will not understand or grasp at complex electoral programs, and they are weak to populist trope or soundbites.
2) more often than not in the US, people don't vote for a specific person, but rather for a team. There is maybe 10-15% which switch side. The rest of core elector always vote dems or reps no matter what, or don't vote. That's how MTG , Boebert and Trump get elected.
3) At Presidential election people in the US *mostly* don't look at each candidate programs, but rather something far FAR more simplistic : was my life better now than 4 years ago ? Some will skip voting or switch vote depending on that sole factor
4) you keep repeating people they are worthless and the reason for all is bad and they are privileged *while they feel shitted on by society*, and at some point people rebel against it. That's why in MANY country (Germany, US, Korea chief among other) the male youth shifted far into the right.
This is not a single factor. But combine all 4 ? Then you get a trump president 2024, a red waves in the senate and IMO very probably a majority in congress. A complete carte blanche for 2 years to Trump to do whatever.
Re:A few point to explain it to you (Score:4, Informative)
So, to summarize, democracy turned into idiocracy, faster than expected.
Re:A few point to explain it to you (Score:4, Informative)
As Karl Marx would say, base shapes superstructure. Also, chickens have come home to roost. For decades, all American (and most Western) governments have worked diligently to dismantle and destroy the middle class. And they largely succeeded. This is the only logical consequence - idiocracy. Enjoy it.
Re: A few point to explain it to you (Score:2)
Given that the only thing she espoused differently than Biden was full term abortion on demand and cribbing off stuff Trump suggested the week or month before, while simultaneously claiming that her values from the 2019 primaries where she was far left had not changed, why would anyone follow policy positions?
Re: I don't understand (Score:4, Insightful)
Blame the Democrats for putting a mentally ill person into the presidency, lying about it, then bypassing primary elections and place an extremely unpopular candidate as a replacement. That rubbed a lot of people the wrong way
Also, we in the US do not understand why people keep hating on Trump when all it takes is providing a competitive candidate. It should not be that hard, but the Democrats are now 0 for 3 in their candidates.
Re: I don't understand (Score:5, Insightful)
"Also, we in the US do not understand why people keep hating on Trump"
Simply because he is a horrible person. I am dead serious: I can't find one positive thing about him, as a person. And, believe me, I tried.
It's even more perplexing to me, since you already had him as POTUS once, and seem to have liked it.
Just puzzling.
Re: I don't understand (Score:5, Interesting)
We learned the lesson very well during the Clinton era that personal behavior is no longer important. Only policy matters.
Most Americans are worse off today than they were under Trump. Policy. That's it. All this stuff about how he is as person is utterly irrelevant and has been since Clinton. We learned that lesson very well. So, here's Trump, an egotistical asshole with great policies for 51.1% of the voters and that's more than enough to get elected.
Maybe in some other universe where it wasn't sold to the voters that fucking your intern is ok and being a general shit bag to women is ok they didn't elect Clinton or Trump. But we're not in that universe. Personal character no longer matters.
Did you know Biden had to drop from his first attempt at office over a plagiarism charge decades ago? Character mattered then. But the second time, no one gave a shit so he got in, too, just like Trump and Clinton, all men of low moral character and ethics.
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Most Americans are worse off today than they were under Trump. Policy. That's it. All this stuff about how he is as person is utterly irrelevant and has been since Clinton. We learned that lesson very well. So, here's Trump, an egotistical asshole with great policies for 51.1% of the voters ...
... and those policies only being great for 51.1% percent of the voters on the extreme right is exactly the problem because it is what John Adams called a "Tyranny of the majority" and in this case a very narrow one. I know 'my way or the highway' politics are very seductive and visiting retribution on the other 48,9% to make them cry is great fun. However, the person that will fix America is going to have to come up with great policies that appeal to 75% of Americans on both sides of the trench lines, tha
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"no track record of success with the an immigration assignment she was given"
You mean had her efforts torpedoed by Trump precisely so he could play that card?
Re:I don't understand (Score:5, Informative)
Trump wins because he acknowledges the issues his voters have, and promises to fix them. Of those there are imaginary ones, like communism, and real ones, like loss of jobs and destruction of middle class. Two thirds of the country are one hospital visit away from being homeless. The latest generations are never going to be able to afford homes. Team Dem pretends these things don't exist, but they do, and affect more and more of the populace, and as such, will command more and more of votes.
I'm not saying I believe Trump will actually fix these issues, the last time something was actually fixed in the States was the New Deal. It's been a while. It's not going to happen any time soon, whoever the president is. Wasn't going to happen under Kamala, didn't happen under Biden, nothing under Trump last time, Obama - nope, Dubya - lol... The list goes on. The job of the president is to turn campaign donor money into campaign donor policy. Donors are who made them president, it's who they are responsible for. It's that simple.
But if one has a choice of two candidates, one who knows your problems and promises to fix them, and the other guy doesn't and doesn't, many people are going to choose the first one. Lies don't matter here, the truth was dead in the US a long time ago already. And it's not like the other guy tells the truth. If the other guy says everything is all right, but nobody in your town has a job, that's the lie you care about. If the other guy says (s)he's proud of the America (s)he has built, they publicly acknowledge they're your enemy. Trump on the other hand positions himself on the side of the little guy, and as being hated by the establishment for trying to help the little guy. The establishment helps him along with that by hating him.
The donors of course don't hate him. The donors don't give a fuck, they donate to both candidates and will get whatever they want no matter who wins. If the people somehow get anything, it's a side effect of giving away public policy or public money to the donors. The issue has actually been studied: https://www.cambridge.org/core... [cambridge.org] . Voter preference has no effect on policy in the US. Only money does. Arguing about which president is better or worse here is like arguing which cheek of the ass does the best farting.
Re:I don't understand (Score:4, Interesting)
That makes sense.
For some reason, your post made me think of... all those religious cults in the USA, which gather large followings.
Many, many people in the USA really like and enjoy being groomed into becoming fanatics, through words alone.
Very interesting. I had never considered that before.
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In my country we have a left that is losing on all fronts to people that I can easily consider as complete lunatics or criminals, but this left cannot understand what is happening, much less react accordingly. And why? It is because while the average citizen is trying to make ends meet and return home alive at the end of the day because of crime, this left that I mentioned is more concerned with "neutral pronouns" and other things that have no real impact on the life of this average citizen.
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No actual communist parties gained a seat anywhere. What the fuck are you talking about?
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Bernie is as much a communist as Donald is a Nazi. Both claims are utterly false.
Yours truly, someone who actually has an idea what communism is.
Re: I don't understand (Score:4, Informative)
This actually answers the question quite well: because his followers are voting based on a fantastical misinterpretation of reality.
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I see that too. Those who yell "COMMUNISM" have, in fact, no idea what communism is.
Re: I don't understand (Score:4, Insightful)
Yup, groceries and other goods being locked up behind plexiglass, jobs reports being revised down by hundreds of thousands of jobs each month after the fact, the FBI somehow missing over 1600 homicides along with a metric fuckton of other crime which just so happened to let them claim a lowering of the crime rate, only to be suddenly found the next year so they could again claim a lowering of the crime rate. None of these things happened. Not at all.
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I have this nagging feeling you have NO IDEA what communism is like.
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Actual communism never existed. Actual communism would be world peace, no government, everyone gets what they need and contribute what they can and want to. The USA, though, has historically been the most aggressive enemy of even such thoughts, criminalizing people who were suspected to think them, because it would prevent a minority of super rich people to live off of the majority. The minority Trump is part of and makes policies for.
Re: I don't understand (Score:2)
Actually america was the most prosperous when president was backed by american socialist and communist parties. Look it up.
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Actually america was the most prosperous when ...
By any sane measure of prosperity, America is most prosperous right now.
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Hmm, ok, here's one: home ownership by young families.
Fifty years ago, 63% of American households owned their homes. Today, 66% do.
Houses today are twice the size, and the average household is three people instead of five.
So, families are more likely to own their house today and own way more space per person.
ability of a single earner to support a household.
More women work today, but I'm not sure why you equate more career opportunities for women with "less prosperity".
ability of the average person to afford a college degree
College is more expensive but also more accessible. Many more people go to college today, especially women.
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Fifty years ago, 63% of American households owned their homes. Today, 66% do.
Houses today are twice the size, and the average household is three people instead of five.
So, families are more likely to own their house today and own way more space per person.
Yes, but the people who own their houses today are the same ones who owned their homes fifty years ago. If you look at the percentage of young people who own their homes, I believe you will see a much different result.
Also, home ownership is viewed differently by different swaths of the population. For middle-class white people (who did go pretty hard for Harris), your home is an investment that accumulates wealth. For poorer people, it's a place to live where they plan to stay until they die. For peo
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That's not what the voters thought...
People always look back at their youth as a golden age and believe the world is now going to hell.
They're usually wrong, and they're certainly wrong now.
America's economy is booming [economist.com]
American productivity leads the world [economist.com]
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So is Trump.
When all else is equal, what makes the difference?
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worked at McDonalds (a verifiable lie)
No it has not been verified as a lie.
The McDonalds store she claims to have worked at (which I have eaten at myself) has no record of her working there. That is understandable because it's been some years. She did have someone who claimed to have worked there say it, but it turns out that was a campaign worker who was discredited (and who also, of course, had no proof).
But there IS proof. Undeniable, simple to show proof.
If Kamala worked at McDonalds, then the IRS and the SSA both have a record of this: the forms filed by McDonalds. They keep
Re:I don't understand (Score:5, Informative)
If you believe the Dems are communists, you know jack shit about communism, buddy.
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I also live in a former communist country.
On top of that, I lived through communism, for some time. I lived through food shortages, through witnessing neighbors being pulled out of their homes in the dead of the night, in their pajamas, never to return again to their homes. I lived through power outages, 12 degrees Celsius inside our home at day during winter, I lived through waking up in the morning to see windows iced on the inside.
I lived through years of misery under Communism.
And you think Commies are
Re: I don't understand (Score:4, Informative)
American Liberals believe that they have the freedom to tell everybody else what to think and do, just like the European Communists.
Nobody is telling people what to do more than Republicans, period. Who you can love, what you can do with your body, what you can put in your body. Any idea that the Democrats are the party of greater authoritarianism is insane.
Re:I don't understand (Score:5, Insightful)
The funny part is if you read this description to most people out of context, they'd assume you were talking about Trump. He doesn't pay his contractors, lies about super obvious things like reading the bible, changes his opinions on a whim, bankrupted all of his businesses, lost most of his money, many people from his previous staff publicly asked people not to vote for him again, has rambling talks, answers questions by just talking about whatever is on his mind regardless of the question (wind farms!), and so on.
Re:I don't understand (Score:5, Insightful)
Who will implement Project2025.
This has been the Republican plan all along.
Was this what you voted for?
Re: I don't understand (Score:3)
>all the decent ones ... Etc etc.
Even while spewing this divisive bile, you and ten million like you still pretend to be in the "decent people" crowd.
Zero understanding.
No need to cry (Score:5, Informative)
If you can survive a lunatic madman once, you can survive twice. This country was designed so that any moron can run it. The lower IQ the better.
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No, this time there are no guardrails. There are no reasonable people to hold him back.
We really don't have any idea how bad it can get but what Project 2025 spelled out is nightmarish.
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You still have hundreds of reasonably sane people in Congress and in the state governments. The US prez is not a dictator.
Prior US presidents were not dictators.
Those people are going away. Remember, a stated goal is to shrink the government. Getting rid of the people loyal to the constitution is job #1, and the more is breaks the function of the government the better.
Good morning (Score:3)
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End Lawfare (Score:2)
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It means it's time for both parties to go to work for the people of the country again. Quit targeting people for political persecution and revenge, start working together. Don't target the other side because you disagree with them.
I don’t think that’s going to happen.
In fact, I believe that - as long as there are no meaningful punishments for spurious legal shenanigans - this shit will continue.
For example: There is significant evidence pointing to collusion between the DNC and the New York State Attorney General’s office.
Certainly enough to prosecute both the AC and several members of their staff AND the judiciary.
The process is/was the punishment as then, suddenly, Donald Trump was a felon - at least that was the
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It was blown out of proportion by all sides, but the fact remains: Donald Trump was falsely declaring his expenses, which makes him a felon. Many people went to prison for similar offenses, why should he be any exemption?
No major news outlet has announced a winner (Score:2, Informative)
Slashdot has right wing bias. Proof positive.
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Canada (Score:5, Funny)
Reminder, the last bus to Canada will be departing in 40 minutes, don't be late!
The left lost men, latinos, non-college (Score:5, Interesting)
In this election, the right picked up more men, more latinos and blacks, and more non-college educated than in other recent election. For latinos and blacks, the left just expected that they would get their support with no lobbying or special attention. For men and non-college educated, economic life and community life has gotten even worse under Biden, and Harris's plan to improve the lives of men and working class didn't seem to resonate. So, unsurprisingly, given the two party system, people were less excited to vote for the party in power. And a couple of percent makes all the difference.
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presumably if "latin men" could vote they aren't going to be deported. and maybe some of those people are precarious enough economically to out of self interest not want more illegal immigration like other blue collar/precarious classes. some of those "latin men" probably see themselves as white or white adjacent enough to not think of themselves in the way that category is being imposed on them. ultimately it's an empirical question about where the votes came from, were lost, etc
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Battle of the VPs (Score:2)
I hope JD Vance is not as bad as Trump, because I don't see DJT surviving 4 years in good enough health to be president.
(don't mean being shot like JFK, I mean natural causes)
Why? (Score:2)
The near future (Score:5, Interesting)
Groceries are going to become very expensive as the Kroger/Albertson's merger goes through.
Tariffs will dramatically increase the prices of everything sold at big box stores.
Corruption will increase dramatically.
Ukraine will be cut off by the U.S. It's going to be up to Europe.
NATO is a done deal. The U.S. will likely withdraw.
The long standing independence of the U.S. military - swearing it's oath to the constitution will be subverted and those who favor the president over the constitution will be promoted. We may see the military used on U.S. soil within the next 4 years.
It's likely that social security and medicare will see significant cuts. The ACA will be cancelled and there will not be a replacement.
Insulin will return to several hundred dollars per dose.
The U.S. will become more aligned with Russia.
The rest of the world will never trust the U.S. again. It will be viewed as China or Russia (in it's heydey).
Hundreds of young women will die each year over the next four years as increasingly draconian anti-abortion laws go into place.
And I may be overly optimistic. I'm old. I'll probably be gone in 4 to 8 years anyway. God help the young folks I leave behind.
Don't forget the mass layoffs (Score:3)
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"I'm old. I'll probably be gone in 4 to 8 years anyway."
Hastened by your loss of retirement, medicare, and savings for sure. And that's part of the plan. You are one of the "others", that is definitionally true with fascists like Trump and your death will make it easier for him to take. There's only so much wealth to go around, and Trump doesn't like it going around.
He's talking about the merger (Score:3)
The rest of the stuff that will be affected by tariffs is what he was talking about when he said big box store prices will go up.
This is why Donald Trump won. I'm sorry man I'm not trying to be cruel but you're reading comprehension needs work. You combined two unrelated topics in your head, The Kroger Albertsons merger and the tariffs. Both are related to inflation which is what caused the mistake you made. That chal
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The President is not bound by law. The President cannot be "prevented" from doing anything. Have you been keeping up with the Supreme Court?
The irony is that the office itself only exists "by law" as defined in the Constitution. Without "law", the Presidency does not even exist. Without law, there are no "duties" by which to judge if there is "absolute immunity" as literally anything is an "official duty". The constitutional crisis has already occurred, it came and went without incident. Now we simply
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Shithole country. (Score:2, Troll)
Sorry to say it, but the USA has gone full retard, and is now a shithole country.
I feel sad for the half that are stuck with it now, but even more so for the future generations.
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Re:if America were real then this could not happen (Score:4, Interesting)
I realised a while back that being from an anti-democratic criminal background was no obstacle for power when Bongbong Marcos won the philipines presidency despite being the scion and son of Ferdiand Marcos the worst kleptocrat in philipines history who looted the whole damn country for his personal profits.
If *that* motherfucker can win an election, nobody is safe from demagogues.
I hope the US pulls through. Its only 4 years and then he's inelligible to run again, but good grief theres a lot of damage that can be done in those 4 years.
Re:if America were real then this could not happen (Score:4, Interesting)
Project 2025 doesn't even need Trump to survive long enough to move in, and after that there will be no coming back for decades. Did you think the stacked Supreme Court was bad? Silver lining: No more political uncertainty.
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There is no such thing as project 2025. It is some heritage foundation fantasy crap that has nothing to do with Trump.
It only has value as bird cage liner.
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Democracy is not immune from destroying itself, and the fact that it can do so is not proof that its principles have been disproven. In fact I would say that a fully democratic political system should be entirely capable of destroying itself, just as on a computer fully controlled by the user there should be nothing keeping the user from running "sudo rm -rf / --no-preserve-root"
Now the US will almost certainly fall into autocracy like Hungary and Russia did, but democracy will live on in other countries, a
Re:if America were real then this could not happen (Score:4, Interesting)
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Voting in democracy is mostly good for throwing the bums out, the electorate is not engaged enough to follow issues or know details about candidates beyond what is filtered through party aligned media. One of the theories for this election is that it fits a pattern of incumbents being voted out due to covid policies that personally affected them negatively or economics related to it like inflation. Culture war during periods of social and demographic change also figures e.g. radical progressive activism (20
Strange How This Could Happen (Score:2)