Trump Will Temporarily Suspend Immigration Into the US For 60 Days Due To Coronavirus Fears (businessinsider.com) 336
President Trump tweeted on Monday night that he will sign an executive order to temporarily suspend immigration into the U.S. to help prevent the spread of the coronavirus, adding that his decision was spurred by an "attack from the Invisible Enemy, as well as the need to protect the jobs of our GREAT American Citizens." Trump later clarified at a coronavirus press briefing on Tuesday and said the order would only be in place for 60 days and apply to individuals seeking permanent residency or green card seekers. From a report: "We have a solemn duty to ensure these unemployed Americans regain their jobs and their livelihoods, therefore in order to protect American workers, I will be issuing a temporary suspension of immigration into the United States." "By pausing immigration we'll help put Americans first in line for jobs as America reopens," he continued. "I would be wrong and unjust for Americans laid off by the virus to be replaced by new immigrant labor flown in from abroad."
Trump said that the order would last 60 days and then would be reevaluated by him and "a group of people based on economic conditions at the time" on whether the measure should be extended. He said the order would only apply to individuals seeking permanent residency or green card seekers. He added that additional immigration measures may be considered in the future as the country seeks to reopen its industries shut down in order to stop the novel coronavirus spread. As of Tuesday evening, the U.S. recorded over 820,000 coronavirus cases and more than 44,000 deaths.
Trump said that the order would last 60 days and then would be reevaluated by him and "a group of people based on economic conditions at the time" on whether the measure should be extended. He said the order would only apply to individuals seeking permanent residency or green card seekers. He added that additional immigration measures may be considered in the future as the country seeks to reopen its industries shut down in order to stop the novel coronavirus spread. As of Tuesday evening, the U.S. recorded over 820,000 coronavirus cases and more than 44,000 deaths.
Reopen America? (Score:2)
I thought he wanted instead to reopen US.
Re:Re-offshore America? (Score:3)
Re: Reopen America? (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm still thinking something will beak global stock markets
Can the global stock markets break? The US fed seems to be willing to pump out as much cash out as needed. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/29/what-it-would-take-for-the-fed-to-start-buying-stocks-during-coronavirus-crisis.html [cnbc.com] .01? I think the pandemic is going to be another step down "too big to fail".
If a government agency says we're buying at X, won't people put in buy orders for X +
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If a government agency says we're buying at X, won't people put in buy orders for X + .01? I think the pandemic is going to be another step down "too big to fail".
That's a pretty risky strategy. If the only think keeping it at X is the government. What happens when they decide they can't or don't want to keep it at X anymore? How low will it drop then?
What's to stop everyone bailing out at X and the government ending up with all/most of it?
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Investors expect inflation. A metric assload of inflation.
No they don't. Investor expectation of inflation is exactly equal to the premium paid for
TIPS [wikipedia.org].
The spread between TIPS and conventional 10-year T-notes is currently under 2%, which is below the Fed's inflation target.
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The worst that can happen is that the stock market recovers and the government owns a significant share of major and important businesses. It may not be this administration, but at some point, someone is going to look at that equity and go Mr. Burns on it.
You don't want the government owning the means of production. Government is inept, at every level, all over the world. You don't want them owning 10% or 20% or 30% of your business and be able to dictate terms as a shareholder.
Re: Reopen America? (Score:3)
In what alternate dimension do money market funds beat inflation?
Re: Reopen America? (Score:5, Insightful)
If these lockdowns and closures last much longer, I'm still thinking something will beak global stock markets
Which is why Democrats and the media desperately need these lockdowns to last. It's their one chance to defeat Trump. Even if it means burning down the country.
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That's not what we're now hearing out of Sweden.
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I wouldn't use Sweden as an example until the US has a universal health care system like they do and people are willing to follow social distancing guidelines (like the Swedes seem to be doing).
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If America burns down on this, it won't be at the hands of a single presidency. The US has 3 branches of government and series of elected officials equally responsible for its demise.
Trump's decisions are making this situation significantly worse, but you are correct that Trump is not solely responsible. Trump is a symptom of America's problems, not the sole problem itself. That said, he is the single greatest problem the US now has because of how bad things have progressed. There are effectively not three branches of government right now with stacked courts and a Senate which follows Trump lock and step. Considering our country went through a literal civil war, this is not the greatest
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If 1st and 2nd amendment issues are "phony" to you, do quickly leave the US and immigrate into the EU. The fact you are willing to abscond with the most basic of human protections in order to steal your neighbor's property speaks volumes about you and your ideology.
This is what he is talking about when mentioning phony distractions. He didn't say those amendments are phony, just that some issues raised in their name are phony. Like if I said the 2nd amendment should let everyone have a nuclear weapon. It relates to arming myself, but is yet a very phony issue if I complained the government stops billionaires from buying an ICBM.
Just pointing out that one side is taking certain measures too far is not the same as absconding with basic human protections. Anyone stating
Re:Reopen America? (Score:5, Informative)
its a daft idea from trump (as usual), he should have allowed people in but they have to be tested on arrival (and charged for it) and can only proceed if clear.
Did you even bother to read what Trump said?
It is about protecting jobs.
It only impacts immigrants seeking permanent residence, green cards/citizenship, and by not mentioned them exclude ps temporary workers, refugees, and other NOT seeking permanent residency status.
It is NOT about protecting Americans from the virus - that's something his critics have made up out of whole cloth to attack him over.
Re:Reopen America? (Score:4)
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Sure this is not about protection from the virus. But if you think this was about protecting jobs, then think again. Because then he would stop the H1Bs and other temporary work visas. Green card wait is what actually leads to low wage slavery. But he is not stopping the work visas, so people will continue to come in for low wages. He is stopping the green cards, which indicates that this has another agenda.
You're overthinking it.
It's about xenophobia and taking the opportunity to stop dirty furriners from coming in. At all. But then his industry buddies started complaining that they need that cheap foreign labor, so he backed off on that part.
So much for growth then. (Score:3, Insightful)
The one thing that has fueled American prosperity is immigration. More people means more demand for goods.
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I'm doing my part by heading down to the Department of the Interior to sign up for my free parcel of land, thanks to the Homestead Act. Westward ho!
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The best thing about free land from the government is that in a generation or two your descendants can start cursing the government for interfering in their private property by taxing it and regulating what can be done on it.
Re:So much for growth then. (Score:5, Insightful)
Nonsense. The one thing that has fueled American prosperity is having a field that is reasonably free of corruption. You can can come immigrate to America and start a business and you generally do not have to pay anyone off (gang infestations in some places are the exception to the rule). You can simply work hard and build your business, hire people and prosper.
In a lot of other countries you simply cannot do that. In Mexico you will pay more to the cartels then you do for bribes and more for bribes than you do for taxes. In a lot of countries the story is much the same. Business owners effectively have three taxes, one to the government, another to government employees in the form of bribes and a third to local criminals. When all is said and done the business owners barely have enough to survive.
In some countries bribes are tax deductible (Germany comes to mind off the top of my head) as they are such a prevalent cost of doing business. I have seen a server sit for 12 months in customs when a fortune 50 company with a policy of refusing to pay bribes refused to do so and the India customs paperwork kept getting misplaced - again.
Now you come to America and you do not have to pay two of those three taxes. You can actually prosper from your own hard work and you already recognize have learned to appreciate the value of doing so. Take the weights off and let someone do their thing and they will. This helps to explain why 43% of fortune 500 companies were founded by immigrants. They thrive because no one is stopping them.
Re:So much for growth then. (Score:4, Insightful)
Bribes are not tax deductible in Germany since 2002. At the same time bribes in foreign countries were made illegal. Bribes inside Germany were already illegal.
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Now you come to America and you do not have to pay two of those three taxes.
Well... one of those three taxes. The cost of elections has been ballooning ever since Citizen's United, and lobbying has the greatest RoI of pretty much anything a large company can invest in.
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What huge benefit from people outside the USA taking the jobs of US citizens.. Thats of no benefit to any US citizen looking for work. Re "the American Dream" is for US citizens. Let other nations import the US made products and services.
In 2016 30% of new companies were founded by 1st generation immigrants. 43% of our Fortune 500 companies were founded by 1st or 2nd generation immigrants. Those businesses are where our citizens work.
There is no debate among educated individuals on this topic. Immigration is among the greatest engine of prosperity any country has; right up there with strong property rights. That is simply a true statement. You need to read about this topic and not just watch Fox News (or some equivalently poor source of inf
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They're here legally. The undocumented worker on the other hand does not fit that stereotype in any way, they're working hard and keeping quiet. If you want to see the protestant work ethic that Americans like to brag about then just look at the undocumented workers, most of whom aren't protestant.
Situation normal (Score:2)
What's that old saying? "A day late and a dollar short".
Say what? (Score:3)
to help prevent the spread of the coronavirus
We have over 45,000 dead in less than two months and NOW he's worried about the spread of covid-19?
Isn't this the same guy who said this is no big deal, everything is under control, it's no worse than the flu, the numbers will definitely be going down, that there is a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan to fight covid-19? Yes. Yes he is [imgur.com].
Re:Say what? (Score:5, Insightful)
to help prevent the spread of the coronavirus
Despite the headline, Trump has made it very clear that it is not about stopping coronavirus and more about helping existing citizens who have recently become permanently unemployed to get first dibs on existing jobs. Basically, it's an attempt to keep unemployment numbers low.
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But thanks to the worldwide lockdown not just in the US but elsewhere, people have not been coming into the US since the emergency was declared: in fact, the US military had to evacuate Americans who were trapped in other countries and needed to come home.
So it's not like the situation of the weeks before the ban on Europe, when Americans returning from Italy weren't quarantined, or asked any questions. That's one place where one properly could blame the administration for not preventing the disease from
What the fuck? Suspending immigration! (Score:2)
What the absolute fuck? He's only now talking about suspending immigration? That's insane, he should have closed the borders to ALL immigrants and tourists months ago. There is no way to control the spread of the virus if you're allowing people to still enter your country - unless there is a MANDATORY 14-day isolation on ALL new arrivals.
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The borders *are* closed. This actually makes no immediate difference, except somebody pointed out that somebody already here trying to get their visa may have to leave (which may be denied by the country they are trying to return to which also has closed it's borders).
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If a citizen of, say, Vietnam, loses his job and the visa lapses, that person has to go back to Vietnam, and Vietnam would have to take him. They don't have the option of not taking him. Now once he's back at Hanoi, they may decide to quarantine him at the airport or a nearby hospital or send him home and order him to quarantine there, but bottom line - they have to let him back in.
Just like the US has had to take, and is taking back its citizens who were visiting other countries when this thing broke.
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People getting greencards are not coming from abroad. They are mostly adjusting status and are already in the country.
It's just red meat to his base (Score:5, Informative)
This is timed with a drop in his polls with his base. It's just meant to boost his poll numbers. It's politicking of the worst kind. No jobs will be brought back, nothing in that regard will change. Tech workers will continue to be replaced with H1-Bs as fast as Congress can get away with.
Re:It's just red meat to his base (Score:4, Insightful)
US citizens are looking for work.
The USA does not need an influx of other nations workers.
A nation actually looking after its own citizens... thats
He's still letting the fruit pickers in... (Score:4, Informative)
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Barn door? (Score:3)
Horses?
March called (Score:3)
It said "good idea, let's do that right now!".
If this EO was to protect American jobs, it failed (Score:5, Insightful)
The problem is this EO does NOT affect guest workers
Employers always want to hire workers for less and in this case less than Americans would get paid. These guest visas let them do it. And now they will continue to do it at a time when 22M Americans just filed for unemployment .
You may have just lost your job but you'll be happy to know Accenture can still import IT workers from Asia.
Poster has an important point. (Score:2, Insightful)
Everybody pay attention: the order does NOT affect guest workers.
Trump may be the most gifted politician of my lifetime, but he's a one trick pony. And this is is trick: he can stop people from talking about *anything* by getting them to talk about something he said.
For someone who has accomplished *nothing* in this pandemic, he sure has managed to keep people talking about things he's done. If Trump were a meme, he'd be a cancer cell.
Isn't this his answer for everything? (Score:2, Insightful)
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"President Trump, aliens are attacking!"
"Okay, notify the Joint Chiefs of Staff.... oh, and cut taxes."
FTFY
60 days is just the start (Score:4, Insightful)
The travel ban from Iran, Sudan, Yemen etc. (Trump's "Muslim Ban") was supposed to be for 90 days. That was three years ago. Current status is still active for most countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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Apparently it's something like 1/3 of devices out there don't support Bluetooth LE
I dumped her before she dumped me (Score:2)
US has 800000 Covid cases. Dont really think anyone is lining up to come here right now.
Re:Who will pick the vegetables? (Score:5, Insightful)
... our food supply could suffer if we do not have immigrants to pick our fresh fruits and veggies.
US fresh fruits and veggies used to be picked by US citizens. It can happen again.
Re:Who will pick the vegetables? (Score:4, Insightful)
Possible. But is it likely? The pay are far below minimum wage while at the same time the job can be much more difficult physically than many other low paying jobs. Although right about now I bet a lot of parents of 16-18 year olds are considering getting the kids out of their hair and into the fields; and I can remember when ag work was sometimes a summer job for those ages. The jobs will always go to whoever is willing to work for the lowest wages.
The reasons that immigrants will do this is that despite that low pay it is still a huge amount compared to their home country and they will send a lot of the wages back to the family. At the same time, these immigrants will very often return home again when the picking seasons are over.
The UK has a similar problem, it wants to kick out all the eastern Europeans, but needs them back to help with the crops because the locals don't want that work. Similar in other European countries.
Re:Who will pick the vegetables? (Score:5, Insightful)
That means the low prices are artificially low and subsidized by the cost of illegal labor.
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Re:Who will pick the vegetables? (Score:4, Interesting)
We bring in legal labour from Latin America and the Caribbean here in Canada and the prices aren't much higher then the States. This year things look bad as we can't bring in the needed labour and training locals in large numbers is a losing proposition. Farm labour is actually skilled labour, picking correctly without bruises and not too much work for the packagers takes skill, especially to do it fast.
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If you can teach 8yr old kids how to do it in a few days, you can teach anybody to do it. It's not that difficult. Picking tobacco was among the worst farm jobs I've ever had, I would have preferred shoveling shit in a chicken or turkey barn. If it wasn't for the fact that people like myself were at the tail end of the pay-by-hour harvest switch over to by weight, people would still be doing it every year. But when the price you make per bushel in picking works out to being 1/3 to 1/2 the hourly labor r
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Possible. But is it likely?
Yeah, actually. It's this sort of thing [traptic.com].
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Those are H2-As, not illegal/undocumented. (Score:3)
Ag workers exempt
Those aren't illegal/undocumented near-slave/serf labor, with their wives and children supported by taxpayer-funded welfare programs. Those are holders of H2-A guest-work visas.
H2-As have to be paid a living wage - one low-skilled citizens might accept and be able to live on. They have to be given working conditions that meet legal standards and can't be fired for complaining when they're dangerously below par. They have to be seasonal farm workers and only here temporarily. As with H2-
Re:Who will pick the vegetables? (Score:4, Funny)
Americans used to shit in a hole in a little shed outside their houses. It can happen again.
Re:Who will pick the vegetables? (Score:5, Funny)
Americans used to shit in a hole in a little shed outside their houses. It can happen again.
They shit on the streets in San Francisco right now.
This (Score:3)
A hole in a shack would be a step up.
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A septic tank isn't good enough for you? ... I suppose if you live in a desert, you can make like a can and bury the shit.
(Interesting aside: My vacation/retirement house is in the high desert and has a septic tank. Been there 20 years so far and haven't needed it serviced yet. B-) )
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US fresh fruits and veggies used to be picked by US citizens. It can happen again.
Now the articles I have read could be mistaken but they seem to indicate that we can still have migrants workers picking fruit, we can even have H1-Bs come and take over IT departments. We just can't convert from H1-B to a greencard at this time. This seems pretty bizarre and shady to me, if true.
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We just can't convert from H1-B to a greencard at this time.
The people who got that arrangement were the actual valuable H1-B employees (I know a few, they are good). So Trump has basically said that the cheap replacements for Americans are ok, but expensive talented ones are not. Is this really correct?
I'm actually not sure why Trump has not come out against the H1-B arrangements. It would fit with anti-immigrant stance, and it would actually be useful for American workers.
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I'm actually not sure why Trump has not come out against the H1-B arrangements. It would fit with anti-immigrant stance, and it would actually be useful for American workers.
I'm not sure why he does what he does, but:
1) Trump's hotels hire cheap H2B labor; https://www.huffpost.com/entry... [huffpost.com]
2) In fairness, every industry likes cheap labor--from picking fruit to programming.
I like to think to think does what he can to help his friends. It doesn't make the policy any better, but it's less depressingly transactional to think of it that way.
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Trump organization had well-paid illegals working in some positions, but when Democrats starting looking into it, trump organization had to fire them... because the Democrats were using them to beat up Trump the man. Then, when they fired the illegals, the press tried to attack trump over that - imagine, an employer following the law.
The journalists "tried" to help the illegals get their jobs back, but the efforts ended when their stories generated no interest in the plight of the workers fired because of t
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Before the lockdown, Trump was actually at odds w/ the anti work-visa crowd - the Breitbarts, Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingraham, Lou Dobbs... The rationale that he gave was that if he's trying to get companies to move operations from China and elsewhere back to America, they'd have to be able to get workers easily as well, and at full employment of 3.x%, it didn't seem possible 4 months ago, and so...
But now, w/ 20 million out of work, it's hard to make the case that those companies couldn't find Americans w
Re:Who will pick the vegetables? (Score:5, Interesting)
Yeah, when we're looking at 20 million unemployed, the freeze should be on all immigration at every stage, whether at H1B, L1A, F1 to OPT, whatever. The issue is not a foreign H1B worker getting a green card, which just frees him/her up to work for anybody: it's a foreign worker being hired for a job that an American could do
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Some of this work takes quite a bit of training. People think of farm labour as unskilled but it does take skill and training a whole crew, as a farmer recently said, is like training a bunch of drivers at once while the crop is rotting.
A lot of these moves that Trump makes would be smart if phased in rather then just randomly thrown out.
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it's a foreign worker being hired for a job that an American could do
If a foreigner is being hired to do a job that an American can do when 20million people are unemployed, I will wager that it's a job American's *don't want to do*.
Typical anti-immigration attitude:
"The immigrants are stealing our jobs!"
*Kicks immigratns out*.
"Why is food rotting at our farms?"
"What? No of course I won't go pick them, It's beneath me. This is M'UERIKA land of "opportunity" not oppression."
Re:Who will pick the vegetables? (Score:4, Insightful)
it's a foreign worker being hired for a job that an American could do
If a foreigner is being hired to do a job that an American can do when 20million people are unemployed, I will wager that it's a job American's *don't want to do*.For the non-livable wage the employers typically offer
FTFY
Re: Who will pick the vegetables? (Score:2)
Who will be able to afford said American-picked vegetables?
Re: Who will pick the vegetables? (Score:3)
So, before every dinner time you expect someone from each household to drive several hours out to a farm to pick a couple of onions for dinner? Did you even think for more than a second before posting?
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US fresh fruits and veggies used to be picked by US citizens. It can happen again.
Actually, how much of it is now automated, and picked by robots? Automation here would solve 2 problems: allow farmers to eliminate a layer of wages that they'd otherwise have to pay those temporary workers, and would also eliminate a vector of entry of the virus into the country.
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The stuff that isn't yet automated is the stuff that is hard to automate. Spot picking fruit that bruises easy is one example. You almost need humanoid robots whether it is picking off the ground like strawberries or off the tree like peaches.
OTOH, picking for juice is easy, shake the tree basically. They do the same with blueberries around here, the farmers hate it because of the wastage that happens but without skilled pickers, it's better to get something instead of nothing.
I tried some of these jobs whe
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We have industrial machines for that.
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You understand this temporary 60 day suspension of immigrants seeking permanent status (citizenship or green card) has NO impact on temporary worker visas, HB-1 visas, and other TEMPORARY visas, right? Or do you believe that everyone picking the fruit and vegetables is also studying for a citizenship test?
Re:Who will pick the vegetables? (Score:5, Funny)
Don't let the door... (Score:5, Insightful)
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The revolving doors never do that.
Re: Who will pick the vegetables? (Score:2)
Tenure track? If not, run for the exit.
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If you're a farmer, why would you waste your time and crop trying to teach a whole crew how to do it before the crop rots. Training a couple of people a year works, training a whole crew at once doesn't. Those bruised apples actually cost money at the packers as the farmers also pay the sorters and make shit all for rejects other then size rejects, which are automated.
Not about the Mexicans (Score:5, Insightful)
If you think Trump is stopping immigration because he hates Mexicans, then I've got a bridge to sell you.
In case anyone's forgotten, there's an election coming in November. Trump doesn't care one bit about whether we let immigrants in, or we don't. (If I had to guess, I actually think he'd prefer to keep immigration wide open, because it keeps labor costs low at his casinos.) What he does care about is keeping every news channel talking about what he says he's doing, because it keeps the cameras on him and gives him access and exposure. And he's dominating the cameras, while poor Biden is bumbling away in his bunker.
Doing crazy is what Trump loves best; it gives him widespread media attention, and it keeps all eyes off of news stories that should otherwise be getting front-and-center attention [businessinsider.com].
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Re:Not about the Mexicans (Score:5, Insightful)
It's not hard to read Trump's motives. You just need to flick through his press briefings. This is a president who routinely interrupts press conferences so he can show news report extracts abut how great he is, and who decorated his businesses with fake Time magazine posters declaring himself person of the year. He is driven by a desperate need to always be the center of attention, and a constant worry that people might be saying bad things about him.
Re:Surprised? No (Score:4, Insightful)
I'm not surprised when the party that claims to advocate for the working class will oppose this in every way. Even if you don't take his rational at face value, is there something wrong with not having a race to the bottom with cheap foreign labor at a time when unemployment is high?
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Re: Surprised? No (Score:4, Informative)
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Field labor is actually a very small part of the cost of food. If the field was paid $15/hour (San Francisco minimum wage), the cost of food would go up a few dimes not dollars. There's a whole lot of middle men between the field and your wallet.
https://www.foxnews.com/politi... [foxnews.com]
Is it that simple? I don't think the current administration believes that, because it's protecting agricultural guest workers even now with all this "Dey terk er jerbs" rhetoric going on. You could raise prices a few dimes and magic in a bunch of currently unemployed people at $15/hr no problem? Why isn't it happening?
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It takes some skill to be a farm worker. Sure one can be trained up in a few weeks with some personal attention, but try training a whole crew while your produce needs carefully picked now.
Farmers would rather let the crop rot then try to train a bunch of people at once, especially with most people thinking farm labour is beneath them and not trying.
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Field labor is actually a very small part of the cost of food
That's because whenever the price of labor goes up, we export that crop to some country that doesn't have high labor costs. That's why everyone in California plants almonds now instead of peaches.
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No. That's what the original purpose of visas like the H1B were. But as time went on - especially since 2000, the trend has been to allow these visas to be used by companies to import cheaper labor from abroad. That's why you have companies like AT&T and Disney forcing their employees to train offshoring employees from the likes of Cognizant and Accenture to do their jobs - a clear violation of the spirit of the laws behind those visas. And no - most of the people on visas ain't 'special skills' peo
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Well, the unemployed people who bitch that immigrants are taking their jobs are also not going to be the ones applying to below-minimum-wage jobs out in the fields either. There are plenty of jobs in the US that US citizens don't want to take, either because they're a bit too dirty or because the pay is too low. Immigrants are invited in to work for a reason, and that reason is because employers want wages to be low. These are not leftist employers, it's all employers. I've seen some very hypocritical emp
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Somehow we've gone from a temporary ban during an unemployment crisis, to a permanent ban and won't someone please think of the poor business owners who pay starvation wages while at the same time handing out information on how to get social benefits.
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I'm not surprised when the party that claims to advocate for the working class will oppose this in every way. Even if you don't take his rational at face value, is there something wrong with not having a race to the bottom with cheap foreign labor at a time when unemployment is high?
Yeah, you have to wonder. Why is it that I can't be allowed to go to the dentist, but we can allow people from foreign countries in? Please do explain.
What do we need immigration for right now? Fill those plentiful jobs?
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It's sort of moot. Immigration is essentially zero because of the virus, and it's not likely to change in 60 days. The people it will affect most will be those already in the US (legally) who need to get visa renewals.
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Is anyone actually shocked by this? I knew it was just a matter of time before he used this pandemic to stop immigration entirely (except for farm workers, shocking). He's been frothing at the mouth to keep the Mexicans and Chinese out at any cost; except apparently, we still need Mexican farm workers to work our fields for pennies on the dollar.
If he's such an anti-immigrant hater, why has he done nothing about H1Bs/L1As/OPTs and other visas used by Indians to come to the US? In fact, on this issue, he's been at loggerheads w/ a segment of his own base, people on Breitbart, as well as the likes of Laura Ingraham, Ann Coulter, Lou Dobbs and Tucker Carlson
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Unemployment by the way is still historically low. That is likely to change, but it is still under 5%
Those numbers are over a month old. When the BLS reports again, you can bet the numbers will be historical all right...
Re: Blocking immigration? Is he OK with tourists? (Score:2)
Considering that in L.A. county alone, circa 45% of the workforce are at the moment not in work or being paid a salary (apart from perhaps the stimulus dollars). Chances of them getting back into work are fairly slim considering that a lot of employers are likely not to reopen.
Although of note is that a growing number of small businesses there are starting to operate again, regardless of the state or feds directives.
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We already know that TB and many other diseases we thought we had under control are breaking out from illegals coming up from the south.
What is your source of information for this? Pretty sure you're wrong. Last I checked, there are more cases of measles in Washington and New York than in Mexico. Why? Because Mexicans get more vaccinations.