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Russian Trolls Now Just Push Divisive Content Created By Others (theatlantic.com) 213

"Americans don't need Russia's polarizing influence operations. They are plenty good enough at dividing themselves," writes the Atlantic's national security reporter, arguing that "the new face of Russian propaganda" is just a carefully-curated selection of inflammatory content made by Americans themselves.

Citing the Mueller investigation, the article notes the irony that America's two front-runners for the presidency are now "both candidates Russian trolls sought to promote in 2016," calling them "far apart ideologically but nearly equally suited to the Kremlin's interests, both in being divisive at home and in encouraging U.S. restraint abroad." In 2016, the Kremlin invested heavily in creating memes and Facebook ads designed to stoke Americans' distrust of the electoral system and one another... The Russian government is still interfering, but it doesn't need to do much creative work anymore... Americans are now the chief suppliers of the material that suspected Russia-linked accounts use to stoke anger ahead of U.S. elections, leaving Russia free to focus on pushing it as far as possible. Darren Linvill, a Clemson University professor who has studied Russian information operations, has seen Russian trolls shift tactics to become "curators more than creators," with the same goal of driving Americans apart. "The Russians love those videos," he said, "because they function to make us more disgusted with one another...."

[The article cites actions by Russia's "Internet Research Agency" in America's 2018 elections.] The organization was still creating memes, and it got an even bigger budget, according to Graham Brookie, the director of the Digital Forensic Research Lab at the Atlantic Council think tank. But it also began using more of what Americans themselves were putting on the internet, seizing on divisive debates about immigration, gun control, and police shootings of unarmed black men, using real news stories to highlight genuine anger and dysfunction in American politics... Russian trolls can largely just watch Americans fight among themselves, and use fictitious Twitter personas to offer vigorous encouragement... They will keep prodding the same bruises in American society, or encouraging cries of electoral fraud if there's a contested Democratic primary or a tight general election.

Alina Polyakova, the president and CEO of the Center for European Policy Analysis, tells the Atlantic that "a U.S. that's mired in its own domestic problems and not engaged in the world benefits Moscow."
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  • by NAZI NOSTALGIA! ( 5848246 ) on Saturday February 22, 2020 @10:38PM (#59755708)
    "Is this really what you THINK?" --Bernie Sanders

    Sieg HEIL!!! -- Putin

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  • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

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    • Re:So what? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by RazorSharp ( 1418697 ) on Saturday February 22, 2020 @10:53PM (#59755734)

      So what?

      Recognizing swindlers is the first step toward avoiding being swindled.

      The funny thing to me is that you know all the media dweebs who complain about Putin would line up with their kneepads if he just declared himself to be a communist again.

      Just like they can't stop fawning of Xi Jinping and Kim Jong-Un. There are a lot of legitimate criticisms that can be leveled at particular media outlets in the U.S. and the media ecosystem as a whole. You don't have to resort to secret-communist-agenda nonsense. Has it occurred to you that people complain about Putin because he actively works to undermine democracies?

  • The only new thing about Russian trolls in recent years is that they now play to both — the Left and the Right.

    Previously, during the ideologically-pure years of USSR, they played for the Left only [medium.com] — and, somehow, this was not a problem for the likes of The Atlantic.

    • they now play to both — the Left and the Right.

      Capitalism, babe! Hedge your bets. What could be more natural?

      So, peace is a commie plot, eh?

    • The left didn't get their person elected. Do you really think it was working for them before? They've always played both sides. It worked so well on the right that it was easy to overlook the much more subtle effect it had on the left. I think most only realized how the left was being targeted only after the 2016 election was over.
    • I've been pretty confident that is what they've been doing for years. There is a really good video on youtube "What is Maskirovka [youtube.com] it is about the art of disinformation as practiced by Russian intelligence. The guy is an expert on its use in WW2, but as soon as I watched it, I was staggered by the parallels at work today.

      The objective of Maskirovka [wikipedia.org] is not to convince people that one or other is better, but to soe disharmony and distrust amongst their opponents, getting people to continuously second guess the

  • Irony (Score:5, Insightful)

    by bblb ( 5508872 ) on Saturday February 22, 2020 @11:01PM (#59755756)

    It's a massively underappreciated irony that the same folks who cheered when Obama mocked Mitt Romney for calling Russia our number one geopolitical foe are consumed by fear over the big bad Russian boogeyman today.

    Russian's didn't get Trump elected and they're not gonna get Bernie elected. Nations meddle in the elections of other nations all the time, stop acting so mortified because you finally realized that it happens to us too.

    • Plebs don't have views, not really. They just want "their" guy to win, and have no concept of who that guy is beyond what their propaganda machines tell them. Too busy working and trying to make ends meet to delve into tech, politics, conspiracy, etc every waking moment, which is what is actually required to form a rational opinion on any of this stuff.
    • consumed by fear over the big bad Russian boogeyman today.

      More than Russian meddling, I am concerned that our Congress Republicans seem wholly unwilling to do anything to mitigate it.

      Take HR 4617 [house.gov] for instance. It moves to protect us from foreign influence with uncontroversial common-sense measures that should have easy bipartisan support, but had no Republican votes in the House and the Senate Republicans aren't even willing to consider it.

      • by makomk ( 752139 )

        "Uncontroversial common-sense measures", eh? In my experience, it's never a good sign in politics when anything is described as "common sense". It avoids having to justify the actual details of whatever's being proposed in favour of a cheap insinuation against whoever opposes it.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      "Stop complaining" is just a way to avoid doing anything about the problem because your guy happens to be benefiting from it.

      This election is going to be worse than the last one if nothing changes. A crook verses a communist is how it will be portrayed. Some of your own media are little more than meme machines now, e.g. Fox, meaning that they are easy to manipulate by anyone who can push memes with their network of fake accounts.

      Honestly the best defence now might be too just push your own sabotage memes th

  • by Pete McCann ( 1949942 ) on Saturday February 22, 2020 @11:44PM (#59755826) Homepage
    I have seen no evidence that these so-called Russian Trolls are doing anything other than posting clickbait and farming for traffic, just like any of a million other SEO "businesses" in today's Internet ecosystem. Seriously, if our democracy is vulnerable to a few dozen people in St. Petersburg shitposting on Facebook, we have a lot more to worry about. I am more fearful of the people pushing these conspiracy theories to further their own agendas of censorship and control over all media. Get a clue, folks.
    • It's the nature of the clickbait that they're pushing that's relevant. It's political in nature, not brownie recipes.

  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Saturday February 22, 2020 @11:54PM (#59755840)
    from us being divided. Beau of the Fifth Column [youtu.be] made a good point about the Trump/Bernie/Russia connection, which is that Russia is just after whoever will pull back on the Regime change wars. But that isn't necessarily a bad thing for the American people.

    Meanwhile a divided nation is much easier for the 1% to rule over. We fight among ourselves at each other's throats while they take all the spoils of victory.

    There's an old joke I've told before, A rich man and two workers are at a table. There's 12 cookies on the table. The rich man gobbles up 11 cookies and turns to one of the workers to say "Hey, better watch out, that guy's gonna eat your cookie".

    That's the real division in America.
  • encouraging cries of electoral fraud if there's a contested Democratic primary

    If Bernie gets screwed again by the DNC, anyone who speaks up in protest will be "helping the Russians"

  • by argStyopa ( 232550 ) on Sunday February 23, 2020 @12:06AM (#59755862) Journal

    Going psycho over Trump (or Bernie) is exactly what they want.

    So just calm the fuck down, no matter who wins, and live your life.

    • Going psycho over Trump (or Bernie) is exactly what they want.

      So just calm the fuck down, no matter who wins, and live your life.

      That's kind of what they want in the long run. [rand.org] Russian propaganda is designed to push out so many conflicting narratives that people lose faith in their ability to discern the truth. That way they will "calm the fuck down, no matter who wins," and won't protest in the streets. If they can push America toward an oligopoly, all the better for them because businessmen are easier to negotiate with. If the can push America toward electing an isolationist whom everyone else in the government hates, all the bette

  • Love you too, Uncle Pooty.

  • Whenever people keep talking about Russian meddling this is all I can think of https://66.media.tumblr.com/7e... [tumblr.com]

  • Meanwhile the Israeli PM publicly boasts how much influence they have over the US: https://twitter.com/AymanM/sta... [twitter.com]
    • Ayup, Russia is just a gas station with a flag on top. The Russian economy is about the equal to Italy. The US Leftists should get a more credible bug bear than the Russian Mafia.
  • Soooo...

    When USA pours dollars dissenting voices in other countries it's about promoting democracy and pluralism but suddenly, when someone gives them the taste of their own medicine, those are interfering Russian trolls.

    Talk about double standards...

    • by radl33t ( 900691 )
      Many have been weary of those types of interventions, in the past I believe it was mostly from the left, in the recent past those voices were joined by libertarian perspectives, and even more recently the right. Of course, there has always large and stable right wing contingent (also including many on the "left") that openly support these initiatives and have often included them as planks in their platform.
  • The internet and the present day global "citizen's" ability to communicate is abstracting the United States, making it a global entity in a way it has never been before. So, we see Russian, Chinese, Iranian, etc. etc. influence as interference, but is it really "voting" in an abstract, global election sense? (I don't accept or agree with interference with the U.S. election process, but reality has nothing to do with what we want or do not want personally.)
  • How about Goldman Sachs? Or just about anything else that's controversial. This is becoming nothing but a tool for demanding compliance.

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