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European Governments Approve Controversial New Copyright Law (arstechnica.com) 96

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: A controversial overhaul of Europe's copyright laws overcame a key hurdle on Wednesday as a majority of European governments signaled support for the deal. That sets the stage for a pivotal vote by the European Parliament that's expected to occur in March or April. Supporters of the legislation portray it as a benign overhaul of copyright that will strengthen anti-piracy efforts. Opponents, on the other hand, warn that its most controversial provision, known as Article 13, could force Internet platforms to adopt draconian filtering technologies. The cost to develop filtering technology could be particularly burdensome for smaller companies, critics say.

Online service providers have struggled to balance free speech and piracy for close to two decades. Faced with this difficult tradeoff, the authors of Article 13 have taken a rainbows-and-unicorns approach, promising stricter copyright enforcement, no wrongful takedowns of legitimate content, and minimal burdens on smaller technology platforms. But it seems unlikely that any law can achieve all of these objectives simultaneously. And digital-rights groups suspect that users will wind up getting burned -- both due to wrongful takedowns of legitimate content and because the burdens of mandatory filtering will make it harder to start a new online hosting service.

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European Governments Approve Controversial New Copyright Law

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  • by Anonymous Coward

    Thank goodness for the Brexit!

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 23, 2019 @09:09AM (#58168854)

    .. that they can turn digital files into scarce property. They hate hate hate that nature defies capitalist logic in the digital realm. Supply can now always meet demand and they want us to live in some stone age corporatism of false scarcity to extract tribute from their serfs.

    • Commenting to undo a wrong moderation. I wanted to mod up this comment as insightful, because it brings up a great point.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    I was going to say something about wrongful take-downs but self-censored the post out fear of unpredictable and automatic Youtube-take-down.

  • by bobstreo ( 1320787 ) on Saturday February 23, 2019 @09:26AM (#58168888)

    1) A way to block EU access to my servers

    2) A large retainer for lawyers to issue copyright takedowns for any EU access to my comments on any social media, which I own the copyright to.

    3) A tax shelter for all the sweet sweet profit.

    • by JaredOfEuropa ( 526365 ) on Saturday February 23, 2019 @09:53AM (#58168936) Journal
      1) Is not that hard. When the GDPR came into effect, people feared that a lot of non EU sites would opt to simply block EU traffic instead of taking steps to comply. In practice I have only seen one such site... as it turns out, complying with the GDPR is not hard or costly for most sites, and for many it takes no effort at all. But this is different. I expect a lot of smaller operators to block EU access or at least block them from uploading anything.

      But this is much worse: it's a first step to a priori censorship. MEPs are already contemplating using these filters to also stop the spread of terrorist ideology. Which at some point will also include extremist views. Which at some point will also include populist views. Which at some point will also include "fake" news. Which of course already includes any opinion not "fitting the narrative" of those in charge.
      • 1) Is not that hard. When the GDPR came into effect, people feared that a lot of non EU sites would opt to simply block EU traffic instead of taking steps to comply. In practice I have only seen one such site... as it turns out, complying with the GDPR is not hard or costly for most sites, and for many it takes no effort at all. But this is different. I expect a lot of smaller operators to block EU access or at least block them from uploading anything.

        But this is much worse: it's a first step to a priori censorship. MEPs are already contemplating using these filters to also stop the spread of terrorist ideology. Which at some point will also include extremist views. Which at some point will also include populist views. Which at some point will also include "fake" news. Which of course already includes any opinion not "fitting the narrative" of those in charge.

        Well burning books to keep people ignorant doesn't work anymore. So this is the next worst thing they could do, /s?

      • by Anonymous Coward

        A whole bunch of US news sites block EU visitors because of GDPR. Maybe 1 in 20 articles on fark.com

      • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 23, 2019 @10:13AM (#58169002)

        I regularly run into US news sites that block EU visitors because of the GDPR.

        What's much worse IMHO is that a lot of sites have these fucking useless popups. Which means I need to allow Javascript or they won't load. With Javascript comes loads of tracking bullshit and security risks. GDPR effectively made it easier to track people who don't want to be tracked.

        There were also a few hobbyist sites that shut down their forums, etc because they didn't have the time or resources to deal with it. That's a big consequence of all these EU regulations: they make it harder and harder for small companies and private citizens to be anything but consumers, thus concentrating the Internet in the hands of big corporations.

        • by Anonymous Coward

          I regularly run into US news sites that block EU visitors because of the GDPR.

          For no fucking reason other than they want to please ad companies who as usual are the ultimate troublemakers for the entire fucking network.
          No-one would need to "comply" with GDPR or North Korean edicts or whatever if they weren't tracking user behaviour and selling it wholesale to international megacorps who want it all sanitized for later business back in the EU. If people weren't running all these shitty ads and sleasy practic

          • by flink ( 18449 )

            "Oh but then who will pay for the web?!". I don't know, maybe everyone who paid up front to host their own website with providers for years before most of the worlds population ever heard of email? Maybe the people who don't need to spend billions of CPU cycles, hundreds of database requests, and tend of megabytes of bandwidth in add and shit to serve 100KB of text content? Maybe people who are willing and able to exist in a world which doesn't need to be funded by sleazy ad companies and snooped on by megacorps and who understand that we are moving o a world where people will be able to host websites on their fucking cellphones.

            "Who will pay for the web?" Who fucking pays for email you greedy shits?!

            The comparison in volume between a popular website and a non-spammign email user is not even close. Paying for hosting up front works fine as long as your hobby site doesn't generate too much traffic. When a website gets popular data fees for the person running it skyrocket and the person maintaining it has three choices - put it behind a paywall (which usually kills the site), take it offline, or start hosting adds. Many a great, free, content-driven site has been knocked offline because it became a vic

        • The solution is NoScript. Of course, that also means Firefox,but anyone really concerned about privacy is already running that. NoScript only helps the client, not the server, and it is sometimes annoying to figure out how to get some sites to work on occasion, but if you want the javascript web to work, it's the best answer I have found.

          I do see that they have a test version for Chrome, so it may soon be available even for those foolish people

      • by Anonymous Coward

        Most website don’t comply with GDPR.

        The EU pop-ups that say “if you are reading this then you consent to xxx” don’t count.

      • by geggam ( 777689 )

        When I am in the EU and try to look at US sites I constantly run into GDPR blockage, so much so I setup a VPN in the US just so I didnt run into this.

        I wonder if this means even more will join ?

        • Out of curiosity: what kind of sites? As I said I ran into only one and that was a news site (not a major outfit either). Others pointed out a similar experience in this thread, and the only other blocked sites I was able to find are news sites as well, many with identical "access blocked" notices. What's up with that? Maybe this: "Specifically, the two media groups whose newspapers are blocking EU traffic are Tronc, Inc. and Lee Enterprises, which between them own some 77 American news titles, plus a h
      • Nobody can seem to answer this question. Why does a US based site need to comply with the GDPR? What happens if they don't?

        • by sfcat ( 872532 )

          Nobody can seem to answer this question. Why does a US based site need to comply with the GDPR? What happens if they don't?

          The EU sues them if they have a legal presence in Europe. If you are a big company that is quite likely. If you just make revenue from EU companies, that money could be siphoned off as a fine.

      • by tepples ( 727027 )

        as it turns out, complying with the GDPR is not hard or costly for most sites, and for many it takes no effort at all.

        I thought it required businesses outside the EU that serve the EU, such as US-based toy sellers that ship to the EU, to hire a representative pursuant to GDPR article 27 at a substantial cost per year, even if they don't do anything dodgy with users' personal data and otherwise comply.

    • A large retainer for lawyers to issue copyright takedowns for any EU access to my comments on any social media, which I own the copyright to.

      That's cute. From https://www.facebook.com/legal... [facebook.com]:
      "Specifically, when you share, post, or upload content that is covered by intellectual property rights (like photos or videos) on or in connection with our Products, you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, and worldwide license to host, use, distribute, modify, run, copy, publicl
  • Route around bureaucratic EU censorship.

    If the EU does not like the net and links, be aware of every link used.
    Find the same link outside the EU, use that one.
    Can only find a link into the EU?
    Tell the world why you are not linking into the EU.
    • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 23, 2019 @09:55AM (#58168948)

      Or just fucking link to them, if you're not in an EU country.

      What are they going to do, extradite you?

      Don't be a pussy. This isn't even civil disobedience if you're not in their jurisdiction. Link the fuck out of them.

      If the laws aren't enacted in your country, then they're not your laws to follow. Link to the EU, take off your burqa, live like a person in a sovereign nation should live.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    The DMCA enabled all large platforms that have user-contributed content by absolving them from liability in return for notice-and-takedown. Even though it is a much-hated law, this safety from liability is the foundation of the internet as we know it. The European copyright law is the complete opposite: It shifts liability from the people who upload back to the platforms, who can only avoid it by trying to get licenses for everything their users might upload. This will make sure that the internet in Europe

    • I agree that's what some people are saying about it, but the language they use seems to be functionally the same as the DMCA.

      We won't know until we see the final wording. Reporting is based on leaked draft that uses unclear wording. You're construing, or rather repeating, that the sky will fall and the meaning has to be the most-disruptive-imaginable. That seems like an unwise method of interpretation.

      They're required to respond to take-down requests with a "best effort," either to get a license, or to make

  • by Solandri ( 704621 ) on Saturday February 23, 2019 @10:50AM (#58169118)
    Copyright trades off the right of the public to use/reproduce/distribute creative works, in exchange for the copyright holder to be incentivized to create more works. This is done under the presumption that the value the work adds to society, is greater than the cost to society of granting the copyright holder a temporary monopoly.
    • The value the work adds to society can be tabulated via how much money the copyright holder can make from selling the work during the monopoly period.
    • The cost of granting the temporary monopoly includes the cost of enforcing copyright.

    If the cost of enforcing copyright exceeds the benefit of copyright to society, then the tradeoff is no longer worth it. That is, copyright has outlived its usefulness, and should be abolished. But the simplest way to make this determination is to make sure that the copyright holder bears the full cost of enforcing that copyright. Then they can simply look at how much money they're making from copyright, compare it to how much they're spending to enforce copyright, and decide whether or not copyright is worth it.

    If you shift copyright enforcement costs onto someone other than the copyright holder, then you make possible a solution where copyright becomes a net drain on society, yet we retain it because we have no easy way to determine that it has become a net drain on society. So it is imperative that the copyright holder be liable for all enforcement costs. The only two choices here that make sense are the copyright holder bears the enforcement costs, or we abolish copyright.

    So shifting enforcement costs onto others is stupid, because it destroys your only direct means of determining if copyright is still worth it. If the copyright holder believes enforcement by ISPs is beneficial to copyright, then they should be paying ISPs to enforce copyright. That will make it obvious if the enforcement costs has exceeded the value of copyright to society, meaning copyright is no longer worth it and should be abolished.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      And we somehow moved to:
      * The public has no rights.
      * Laws are there to protect and increase government power first, and then corporate profits.
      * Politicians are not afraid because they know they can get increasing number of votes from immigrants and other tax dependent subjects.

  • False takedown (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward

    And FINES for FALSE TAKEDOWNs, how about 5,000 if the takedown initiate by a private and 50,000,000 if by a company.
    After all, these are budgets to make a video (private) or a movie (company), and 80% of the fine should go to the victim of the false takedown.
    If it is in the LAW, it has to be respected.

  • Anyway. And they don't care.

    The fewer the platforms the fewer to enforce their rule on.

    Europeans isn't supposed to talk or rule themselves anyway. The elite got better ideas.

    Lose memes? GOOD! PeopleÂs post aren't visible or they are removed from the platform? GOOD!

    And if you don't agree you're a threat to democracy and Europe!"#ÂRT

  • The practical implications of Article 13 depend heavily on how they're implemented. If Article 13 becomes law, its vague text will need to be transposed into detailed regulations in every member country. Then those regulations will need to be interpreted by judges

    The devil will be in the implementation details and the interpretation of the law. A harsh rendering of the law would be something to worry about, but a tech-friendly rendering would require only minor adjustments.to what is now done.

    • by djinn6 ( 1868030 )

      Despotic governments all over the world: Don't worry about this law, we'll only use it on really bad people.

      Also despotic governments: We don't like you, here's 20 laws that you violated. Enjoy prison.

  • ... and some bad.
    The GDPR is really good and gives authorities leverage over the large internet Megacorps that couldn't give a f*ck and now face bazillion Euro fines if they don't play ball and follow the law. Very nice.

    This new copyright law however is total bullshit and something like Europe equivalent of the DMCA. It doesn't impact private people as much as it does impact corps and I expect a lot of anonymous forum activity to move overseas but it still is established by institutions that don't seem to h

    • The EU Parliament elections are being held in May so every one should rally for people to only vote on parties that are against article 13 (e.g the pirate party).
  • Maybe people will get so disgusted they will seek alternative means to get their content?

  • The quicker something large like EU goes down the fucking government rules everything drain the better for the rest of us. We get to see what a government that passes laws against doing anything and everything looks like. We get to see the full action of the slippery slope of good intention passed laws. Hopefully this will open the eyes of citizens who don't mind the thousands of anti freedom laws passed every year in exchange for tiny amounts of protection against edge cases that may or may not hurt a hand

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