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Did Russians Really Penetrate Florida's Election Systems? Maybe (nbcnews.com) 205

Anonymous readers share a report: Sen. Bill Nelson, a Florida Democrat, has reaped the political whirlwind in the 10 days since he proclaimed that Russian hackers had "penetrated" some of his state's county voting systems. The governor of Florida, Rick Scott, a Republican who is running against Nelson for his U.S. Senate seat this fall, has blasted his claim as irresponsible. The top Florida elections official, also a Republican, said he had seen no indication it's true. And The Washington Post weighed in Friday with a 2,717-word fact check that all but accused Nelson -- without evidence -- of making it up. However, three people familiar with the intelligence tell NBC News that there is a classified basis for Nelson's assertion, which he made at a public event after being given information from the leaders of the Senate Intelligence Committee. The extent and seriousness of the threat remains unclear, shrouded for reasons of national security.

[...] Through a spokesman, Nelson declined to comment. At a, Aug. 7 campaign event in Florida's capital, Nelson said Intelligence Committee leaders asked that he "let supervisors of elections in Florida know that Russians are inside our records." He added that Russian hackers "have already penetrated certain counties in the state and they now have free rein to move about." "Either Bill Nelson knows of crucial information the federal government is withholding from Florida election officials, or he is simply making things up," said Scott, who is seeking to take Nelson's Senate seat, which the senator has held since 2001. But Scott, who as governor has a security clearance, has not actually disputed Nelson's assertion. His spokesman said the governor had not personally called anyone at the Department of Homeland Security to seek a classified briefing to get to the bottom of the matter.

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Did Russians Really Penetrate Florida's Election Systems? Maybe

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  • "people familiar" (Score:5, Insightful)

    by cfalcon ( 779563 ) on Friday August 17, 2018 @05:16PM (#57146676)

    Anonymous sources said that there's a basis that can't be disclosed or discussed or refuted. Sounds legit.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      They openly bragged about it in the Washington Post:

      How they funnelled $500 million in campaign money to Yeltsin. The fat alcoholic dancing bear that NOBODY liked. Via the IMF. Versus the opponent's $3 million. Using propaganda like "If Zyuganov comes back, the gulag comes back". And whenever he wanted to go to bed in his hotel, "somebody" had cancelled his hotel room. (Very ... mature. --.--)

      Yeltsin later appointed a somebody as the new head of government... What was his name again? ... Aah, yes... VLADIMI

    • The "Russians are in our systems" is a nice misdirect that hides what's really going on.

      There's no evidence any votes were changed in the last election, but by making unsubstantiated claims and going from hackers to Russian hackers to state-sponsored Russian hackers they can gin up enough fear and outrage to justify censorship aimed at affecting the midterms.

      For example, Facebook recently banned [conservative blogger and political candidate] Avi Yemini for ‘Hate Speech’, won't tell him why he wa

      • by TigerPlish ( 174064 ) on Friday August 17, 2018 @06:26PM (#57147046)

        We live in a scary time, reminiscent of the run-up to nazi Germany.

        Loves rallies? Check. (and I don't mean WRC.....)

        Fans the flames of racial division to fire up their base? Check.

        Tars and feathers anyone who dares speak against him? Check.

        Thinks he should have final, unfettered control over everything? Check.

        Dismisses anything he disagrees with as Fake News? Check.

        Who am I speaking of? Hitler or Trump? Or both?

        Your point, I'm sad to say, is lost. The current person in the white house reminds *me* of nazi Germany.

        You're trying to equate the left with Nazi Germany, but that's not how it looks to me. The right is the one that seems like it's stolen the playbook from 1930's Germany,

        Mod me down, whatever.. you think conservatives are the only ones having their speech supressed? Look around, read /. political comments at -1. Try it. It feels like there are two warring factions in /. right now. Perfectly valid points on both sides get modded as -oblivion, Troll.

        Whatever. Bring it on. This country will burn no matter who wins, it's destined for a desconstruction and rebuilding. It's inevitable. It's just a matter of time.

        • Only ONE side is suppressing people's speech. It's the Left. The Right is fighting hard for free speech, which a few years ago wasn't even mildly controversial.

          As for Fake News, they just keep providing more and more evidence. NBCâ(TM)s national affairs analyst John Heilemann said that thereâ(TM)s a decent number of Trump supporters that would be ok with the president killing their parents or grandparents. [redstate.com]

          The mainstream media, everyone. Making shit up. How is this not Fake News?

          Here's ever

        • by Mashiki ( 184564 )

          Loves rallies? Check

          You're talking about Obama right?

          Fans the flames of racial division to fire up their base? Check.

          Sorry which group is using identity politics, and which group is stating that they're standing for "americans."

          Tars and feathers anyone who dares speak against him? Check.

          Welcome to politics? No really. Welcome to politics.

          Thinks he should have final, unfettered control over everything? Check.

          Sorry who's that again?

          Dismisses anything he disagrees with as Fake News? Check.

          Well if you're talking about Trump, it seems he really doesn't like CNN. And well, when you have assholes like Jim Acosta trying to ruin peace summit's, or yelling from the back of a large room then claiming "the president refused to answer" I could understand that.

          Who am I speaking of? Hitler or Trump? Or both?

          Good question. If you wer

        • Fans the flames of racial division to fire up their base? Check.

          Black Lives Matter, the Obama presidency, and the Hart-Celler act seem to have done that.

      • For example, Facebook recently banned [conservative blogger and political candidate] Avi Yemini for âHate Speechâ(TM), won't tell him why he was banned, and denied his appeal. (You can view the banned page here.)

        Except that facebook is a private entity. Just like Free Republic and TreeHouse and lots of other sites.

        But someone...ahem...want to control facebook...and say what they can allow on their site and what they can't.

        But try that with FreeRepublic or others...and...

      • by rtb61 ( 674572 )

        Why fight it, why not play the game, just play it smart "OHH MY GOD, The Russians an Chinese will HACK all electronic voting, the only way to be SAFE, the only way to be SURE, MANUAL VOTING NOW". I want to make my mark in history, don't YOU, get that pen and get that vote ballot and make your mark, and if you want too, watch it being counted, every single vote, counted by people, as it was made by people and that count video recorded for the records, it is the only way to be SURE and your VOTE SAFE.

        Persona

        • This is mental. Do you realize just how many people voted in the 2016 Presidential election? 135 MILLION.

          Now, I want to just sit back and watch you manually count 135,180,362 individual pieces of paper, without error (oh, I guess that means we need to do a DOUBLE count just to make sure, right?). And oh, by the way, the entire country is awaiting the results, so you'd better complete that massive counting project as fast as possible, no pressure, just the entire fate of the federal government is awaiting yo

      • We live in a scary time, reminiscent of the run-up to nazi Germany.

        Germans initially supported Hitler because he promised to end the rampant Communist violence in Germany.

        If Leftists do not want another Hitler, they should avoid becoming violent Communists, a variety of Leftist (the same people who sent whole families to the guillotine).

        • Hitler because he promised to end the rampant Communist violence in Germany.

          Which he made up.

          • In Jan 1919, 50,000 Spartacists rebelled in Berlin, led by the Communists Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Leibknecht.
            In 1919, communist workers' councils seized power all over Germany, and a Communist People's Government took power in Bavaria.

            http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/g... [bbc.co.uk]

            Even before the constitution had been drawn up there was a serious challenge from the left. Many hoped to see a Russian style revolution in Germany. The left wing Spartacus movement led by Karl Liebknecht and Rosa Luxemburg began a revolt in Be

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 17, 2018 @05:28PM (#57146758)
    This site sucks now. Bring back CmdrTaco and the old OpenSource Tech Slashdot days. Endless political drivel now.
    • by Anonymous Coward

      And there are paid writers on this site blasting with political bullshit.

      This isn't reddit - people here just want tech and will move from this site to any other blogging site pretty quickly.

      (I will, if someone recommends a good one)

    • Agreed. Endless political drivel everywhere.

    • Everything has been politicized. There is little escaping it these days unfortunately. It's ruining everything.

    • /.'s readership has aged. What's news for nerds and stuff that matters is different when you're 40 instead of 20. Also, there's just plain less tech out there, at least of the sort that makes good fodder for a site like this. There's been a lot of device convergence. e.g. instead of lots of cool gadgets we've all got phones and a laptop. We're also starting to hit physical limits of silicone so fewer big leaps in tech.

      There is still cool stuff going on in tech of course, but it's all really, really high
    • This site sucks now. Bring back CmdrTaco

      , Jon Katz,

      and the old OpenSource Tech Slashdot days. Endless political drivel now.

      There was a lot of drivel back then too!

  • Bring in Voter ID (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 17, 2018 @05:30PM (#57146762)

    It's the only way to be sure.

    • that the "wrong" sort don't vote. Also, don't forget to station police in riot gear in front of all black^X high risk neighborhoods.
      • by Mashiki ( 184564 )

        Did you just say that blacks in poor areas are violent? What a racist.

  • Russians (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 17, 2018 @05:31PM (#57146768)

    Weird that Russians are suddenly the boogie man again after Romney was lambasted for asserting the Russians were a threat.

    • they're a political threat. That's the problem with the world, it's complicated. You can't just say "Russia is not a threat". That's not the entire story. But folks want a one word answer for everything. They want to go back to simpler times the never really existed...
  • Does it matter? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Kohath ( 38547 ) on Friday August 17, 2018 @05:40PM (#57146806)

    Blue team people (including the news media) will repeat it if it's useful to advance blue team political goals. Red team people will disbelieve it and ridicule it if it's harmful to red team political goals. What really happened is not relevant to the response; this is America.

  • It's not as if the electoral system in Florida hasn't ALREADY been hacked by the current administration. But now Gov. Nosferatu has a scapegoat.

    mnem
    If you presented American Politics as a reality TV show, nobody would watch it.

  • No the Russians didn't penetrate Florida's election systems, it's yet more neocon waffle
  • by Karmashock ( 2415832 ) on Friday August 17, 2018 @07:50PM (#57147426)

    This has been brought up for decades.

    But say there is an issue with registration fraud, voter fraud, polling station security, vote counting systems, etc and suddenly you get some very suspicious push back.

    Say you want ID to make sure people aren't running around to different polling stations and pretending to be people they aren't... and you get accused of racism.

    Why? Because black people can't get ID cards apparently.

    Say you want to secure polling station security, and you'll get the assertion that polling stations where operate under very lax oversight are beyond repute... even though stories of bags full of pre-filled out voter cards exist everywhere.

    You say that vote counting systems that often use something like Microsoft Access to tabulate the votes of an entire state are perhaps not the best options... and that the digital security of the records has issues... that the underlying digital voting systems themselves in some states are open to abuse... prove it with an 11 year old busting the system... well, no action.

    Frankly, at this point, anyone arguing against this thing can't be doing it in good faith anymore. The overwhelming evidence is that we need reform.

    • from lower income people. It's a defacto poll tax. There's been several studies on it. Anywhere it's been implemented suddenly there are DMV closures and extra fees for the Id. Also extra hoops to jump through for when women get married.

      The amount of voter fraud isn't just statistically insignificant it's laughably so. No matter what anyone tells you nobody's busing in illegals to vote for Hilary (that sounds like trolling when I write it, but it was a real conspiracy theory that had to be addressed and
      • The ids were offered at no cost to low income people. This was made clear from the start.

        Bad faith has to be assumed.

  • No, the Russians didn't hack the election. such uttereances are part of a neocon plot to distract the American voter from who really rules America. ref [politico.eu] ref [newsweek.com]

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