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Electoral College Elects Donald Trump As President (nbcnews.com) 1069

mi writes: The drama is over, Donald J. Trump passed the 270 electoral votes necessary to become President. A few electors dissented, resulting in their prompt dismissal and replacement per their state's laws. Ironically, more dissenters turned on Clinton than on Trump... The sky may not be falling yet, but the Earth is already in peril.
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Electoral College Elects Donald Trump As President

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  • by kimvette ( 919543 ) on Monday December 19, 2016 @08:07PM (#53517995) Homepage Journal

    I fear the drama is just beginning.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      The only thing Trump supporters have won is to drag 2016 out to the foreseeable future. There will be no peace while that administration holds office.

      Drilled in to your brain and eyeballs until you can't stand it.

      2016 is the election year that will never end.

    • by harperska ( 1376103 ) on Monday December 19, 2016 @09:06PM (#53518581)

      Definitely, this. If he doesn't distance himself completely from his business interests or from Putin, he will find himself in a more impeachable position than any other president in history. But in his arrogance, he believes himself above such things, and is taking things in the opposite direction by only giving lip service to avoiding conflicts of interest, and by stacking his administration with a very pro-Russia cabinet while ignoring all of the intelligence pointing towards Russia's meddling in the election. The only question is whether the Democrats will have enough of a spine to actually bring impeachment charges, or if they will just give lots of angry speeches. Drama, at any rate.

      The white supremacists are just a side show. I don't believe Trump himself is a racist in the same way that many of his supporters are. To him, everything is just business (which poses its own problems, see the conflict of interest issue above), and the white supremacists' support was convenient to that end. But if they continue to be a factor, that will provide plenty of drama of its own.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 19, 2016 @08:15PM (#53518079)

    There is no stopping him; Trump will soon be president. And I for one welcome our new orange overlord. I’d like to remind him that as a trusted slashdot personality, I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in his underground cheeto dust cave hotels.

  • by Mike Van Pelt ( 32582 ) on Monday December 19, 2016 @08:17PM (#53518095)

    (Disclaimer: I didn't vote for the SOB.)

    I note that in all the discussion of how Clinton won the popular vote, in CalExit America, she actually lost by about half a million votes. California's vote was that lopsided.

    Trump is ... an embarrassment, at best, but the overheated histrionics of the Left wore very very thin a long time ago.

    I've been saying for years: Never give powers to your very favorite president in history that you wouldn't want to see in the hands of the president who horrifies you the most. The current administration has spent 8 years weaponizing the Federal government to go after his opponents. For those who applauded that... we'll see how that works out for you in the next 4-8 years.

    Maybe we'll get some actual consensus that federalism and limited powers are a good thing again. If so, a Trump presidency might be just the medicine we need, no matter how bad it tastes.

    • One thing I can see happening is the Senate is going to give Tillerson a rough ride, and I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't make the cut. Trump may think Russia is America's new bestest friend, but it's pretty clear there's bipartisan sentiment in the Senate that the Kremlin is the same as it ever was.

      • One thing I can see happening is the Senate is going to give Tillerson a rough ride, and I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't make the cut. Trump may think Russia is America's new bestest friend, but it's pretty clear there's bipartisan sentiment in the Senate that the Kremlin is the same as it ever was.

        Trump is a dangerous imbecile and unfortunately large swaths of congress fall into the same category. I don't see the GOP opposing him too much, the popularity of Putin among GOP voters is soaring and most of the GOP's people in congress are far to busy cooking up ways to suck up to Trump. I don't really have problems with being tougher on China and easing tensions with Russia, but the way Trump is now behaving he will either (a) start a war in the Pacific by stepping over the line with China and drag the r

        • by Lord Apathy ( 584315 ) on Monday December 19, 2016 @10:50PM (#53519271)

          Trump is a dangerous imbecile

          THAT thinking right there is the reason you lost the election. You thought he was a imbecile but he clearly isn't. He owns a very large business empire and had a successful tv series. These are are far from the acts of a 'imbecile." An now he will be the next president of the United States

          Trump is many things but a imbecile he is not.

          • by swb ( 14022 )

            Whatever Trump is, he managed to beat both the Republicans and the Democrats at their own game, mostly without using political tactics assumed necessary to win by nearly everyone, and with a mainstream media who were sympathetic to his opponent and often quite hostile to him.

            Is he the luckiest imbecile on the planet, merely in the right place at the right time to take advantage of some moment in history that would/could have happened to anyone with roughly the same anti-establishment image?

            Or is he possesse

    • Is that full calexit or just the loony parts leaving and the rest leaving CA and staying in the US?

    • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Monday December 19, 2016 @08:40PM (#53518311)
      Obama did a few odds/ends executive orders that could have been shut down by Congress if they cared to bother. Mostly he didn't lock up non-violent drug offenders and he didn't go out of his way to deport illegal immigrants who were holding down jobs (though his admin still did a fuck load of deporting). The right didn't care that much about #1 and actively support #2 so long as they don't have to admit it to their base (they can't get enough of that sweet, sweet cheap labor).

      We don't need federalism. The federal gov't were the ones that put a stop to the farce that was "Separate but Equal". They broke up the Trusts. They enabled the Unions that created the middle class. They bring in real and effective disaster relief and keep our shipping ports open. The State governments have proven themselves powerless to stand against even the smallest tyrannies time and time again. Look at Flint, Mi's Water supply (that Gov Snyder is still fighter the cleanup of) and the complete breakdown in Democracy it represented.

      What's the phrase about small gov'ts? Small enough to drown in a bathtub? That's your democracy. Small enough to drown in a bathtub...
    • by Solandri ( 704621 ) on Monday December 19, 2016 @09:30PM (#53518779)
      Clinton didn't win the popular vote. She won a plurality of the popular vote - 48.06%. Not a majority.

      Mathematically, there is no perfectly fair election system [wikipedia.org]. They're all flawed, and in certain circumstances can yield a result which is contrary to a reasonable definition of "fair". You have to pick a system which you think will be least likely to have an unfair outcome, and you just live with it if you lose the roll of the dice and the unfair outcome happens.

      An instant-runoff system [wikipedia.org] is generally regarded as fairer than a pluralty system, and is already used in many countries. In an instant run-off system, people vote a ranked preference for the candidates. Then you eliminate the lowest vote-getters until you're left with just two candidates. That way the winner has to get a majority.

      If we'd used an instant run-off system, the Green party identifies as liberal, but the other three major third parties - Libertarian, Independent, and Constitution - all identify as conservative. If you add up the popular vote along those lines [wikipedia.org], then liberals (Democrat + Green) would've gotten 49.12% of the popular vote. Conservatives (Republican + Libertarian + Independent + Constitution) would've gotten 49.92% of the popular vote. 0.96% voted for other candidates, but I think it's safe to say conservatives probably could've gotten at least 0.09% of that, putting them over 50% of the votes cast this election.

      Like it or not, Trump is probably the correct winner for this election - both in terms of Electoral College, and in terms of majority of popular votes.
    • I've been saying for years: Never give powers to your very favorite president in history that you wouldn't want to see in the hands of the president who horrifies you the most.

      The GOP has solved this. They took from Obama the power to pass budgets or appoint justices (particularly supreme count justices). I'm sure they'll promptly restore those powers for Trump.

      Similarly the NC GOP has nerfed the governors office now that it is about to change hands, and legislated themselves control of the state election board in every election year.

      How anyone could vote for one of those NC legislators is beyond me, no one who would vote for a bill that blatantly anti-Democratic belongs anywhere

  • Yellow Journalism (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 19, 2016 @08:21PM (#53518131)

    This story was submitted by mi, who is pretty much a partisan hack. It's written with little substance and is very misleading about the faithless electors. Although a couple of Democratic electors attempted to switch their vote to Sanders, that's not the main reason for faithless electors from that party. And two faithless Republican electors from Texas cast a single vote each for Kasich and Ron Paul. One of the faithless Democratic electors cast a protest vote because of the North Dakota pipeline. The others were actually casting votes for Republican candidates other than Trump to try to entice Republican electors to join them and send the election to the House of Representatives. That's why three Democratic faithless electors cast votes for Colin Powell. The story is so misleading and lacks so much substance that it's an embarrassment, even for Slashdot.

  • I hope to gods that i'm wrong about Trump. I'm worried because i'm not sure what he'll do (though it certainly seems like he's already heading in a bad direction.) And i'm worried because no one else is sure what he'll do either.

    But for the sake of our country and our planet i sure hope it's everyone who voted for him saying "see, i told you so!" in four years, instead of everyone who voted against him saying "see, i told you so!" in rather less than four years.
  • by WillAffleckUW ( 858324 ) on Monday December 19, 2016 @08:29PM (#53518197) Homepage Journal

    Fun Fact: The majority of emissions in the US come from states which literally are taking action, no matter what the feds say.

    Fun Fact: US solar power (in annual output per device) literally doubled in the last three months.

    Fun Fact: All - and I do mean all - fossil fuels are much more expensive than both solar and wind. Today. In the USA.

    Fun Fact: plug in electric vehicles - which are mostly used in cities which have green energy, and are frequently charged by solar panels - literally doubled in the US during the last six months. There's a factory in Detroit that churns out 600 of them a day. Range 200 miles on a charge. Costs less than 30k.

    It really doesn't matter what you do, we're changing the world already. And we will leave you in the dust with more efficient, CHEAPER, green energy and more efficient factories.

    Capitalism doesn't care about your failed ideology or your political persuasions. It literally does. not. care.

    • by jbn-o ( 555068 )

      Fun fact: Earth is not in peril. Earth can continue to exist without humans.

    • I can get a 4 door death mobile (Versa/Elantra/Fit/Yaris) for 1/3 that. Yeah, I won't survive a crash with an SUV, but looking at what I'm driving you gotta ask yourself, do I want to?

      And your right about Capitalism. It doesn't give a rats ass. When food becomes scarce because of climate change that's just more profits for the folks who own the farms. Sure, 10% of the population will starve (that seems to be the # you can really take a dump on before you get problems) but hey, Capitalism doesn't care ab
  • And a barbarian sat on the throne of Rome

  • ZOMG (Score:4, Insightful)

    by RightwingNutjob ( 1302813 ) on Monday December 19, 2016 @08:41PM (#53518321)
    I voted for Johnson in a state where it didn't matter, but I wish I and most of the other Johnson voters had swallowed our pride and voted for Trump so he'd have his majority. Every passing day with every passing bit of left-wing craziness over Trump's win makes me that much more glad that Hillary lost. If her supporters are so bad-shit insane over a loss, I dread how they'd've behaved with a win.
  • I was going to bitch about linking that fucking goddamned WaPo article complaining about all the darned country bumpkins who are too stupid to understand AGW, but then I saw that mi was writing. I wasn't sure mi was capable of sarcasm but stranger things have happened.

  • by PopeRatzo ( 965947 ) on Monday December 19, 2016 @08:46PM (#53518385) Journal

    I honestly believe that the incoming President Trump showed great insight when he said this:

    https://twitter.com/realDonald... [twitter.com]

  • by oldgraybeard ( 2939809 ) on Monday December 19, 2016 @09:55PM (#53518941)
    When I think about this election. I can not help but think of Issac Asimov's Foundation Trilogy.. And the various eras of leadership and government the foundation went through.

    Maybe we are transitioning from the era of the modern profession elite career politician (which I think may have started with Kennedy). And now it has ended with poor corrupt incompetent status quo leadership. Ending with presidents, Clinton, Bush and Obama. They were not bad presidents, they just were not very good at the job.
    To the new era of Corporate Business Tycoons (no elite political background). But (I hope) strong leadership and competence. Maybe the next 50 years will be a succession of Business Tycoons from both political parties. And in 50+ years Business Tycoons will be the corrupt incompetent status quo. And something new will arise.

    But that will be for future generations ;)
    • by Xyrus ( 755017 )

      Fascism. The word you're looking for is fascism. If you think fascism ends well, you may want to take a look at Mussolini's Italy.

      We elected corrupt fascism. That genie isn't going to be put back in the bottle.

  • Economy 101 (Score:4, Insightful)

    by iamacat ( 583406 ) on Monday December 19, 2016 @11:18PM (#53519423)

    We can not force the rest of the world to not emit CO2. The best way to stop them is to make renewable/less polluting power less expensive than coal. In California, we have drought - which is famous for lots of sun and few clouds. Think we can find a better use of land than growing almond trees?

    Once we perfect solar, we can bankrupt Texas dirty manufacturing with power that literally falls on us for free from the sky. In the process, we are going to bring lots of jobs and revenue into the state and build up technology export industry for the rest of the world.

    Wallowing in self pity over Trump is not solving any problems. Even with Hillary, we would have hard time convincing China, India and Russia to do much about greenhouse gases. Anyone who claims want to save the Earth needs to actually get their hands dirty.

Lack of skill dictates economy of style. - Joey Ramone

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