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Steve Bannon Suggests Having Too Many Asian Tech CEOs Undermines 'Civic Society' (theverge.com) 805

In an interview last year with Donald Trump -- that The Washington Post resurfaced yesterday -- Breitbart News Network's executive chairman, Steve Bannon, suggested that there are too many asian CEOs in Silicon Valley. "He alluded to the idea that foreign students should return to their respective countries after attending school in the U.S., instead of sticking around and working at or starting tech companies," writes Ashley Carman via The Verge: Trump voiced concern over these students attending Ivy League schools and then going home: "We have to be careful of that, Steve. You know, we have to keep our talented people in this country," Trump said. When asked if he agreed, Bannon responded: "When two-thirds or three-quarters of the CEOs in Silicon Valley are from South Asia or from Asia, I think [...]" he didn't finish his sentence. "A country is more than an economy. We're a civic society." While Bannon didn't explicitly say anything against immigrants, he seemed to hint at the idea of a white nationalist identity with the phrase "civic society." The Huffington Post makes note of a May 2015 study in its report, which "found that 27 percent of professionals working in Silicon Valley companies were Asian or Asian-American. They represented less than 19 percent of managers and under 14 percent of executives, according to the report."
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Steve Bannon Suggests Having Too Many Asian Tech CEOs Undermines 'Civic Society'

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @10:09PM (#53302049)

    I think by Asian he meant Indian as well. What are the numbers if you include Indians?

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @10:09PM (#53302053)

    It'll be interesting to see the alt-right portion of the slashdot crowd defend this racist scumbag.

    By interesting, I mean embarrassing to humanity.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by iggymanz ( 596061 )

      I'm genuinely curious, provide links to actual racist quotes made by him.

      The summary of this article doesn't count, saying country is also it's citizens besides economy isn't racist

      • by sg_oneill ( 159032 ) on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @11:58PM (#53302761)

        The summary of this article doesn't count, saying country is also it's citizens besides economy isn't racist

        This is disengenous and nonsensical. He said "Asian". Splitting hairs doesn't change the intent nor the meaning.

        Unless you believe theres a country named "Asia", in which case your probably beyond reason.

      • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 17, 2016 @12:59AM (#53303143)

        “When two-thirds or three-quarters of the CEOs in Silicon Valley are from South Asia or from Asia, I think ... ”

        Yep, cut off right before making an explicitly racist comment to then go on...

        “A country is more than an economy. We’re a civic society.”

        A country is also its people, including those who immigrate here and the policies that acknowledge the rights of those to immigrate. It's also the acknowledgment of the notion that opportunity comes who work hard. It's funny that there's so much BS that argues that blacks in America not getting good CEO jobs proves something about them. And then when "two-thirds or three-quarters of the CEOs in Silicon Valley are from South Asia or from Asia" we start talking about "more than an economy" but about "civic society"? The guy is literally a sentence away from begging for Affirmative Action for Whites.

        Seriously, at least try to argue for institutional racism against Whites or for Asians in Silicon Valley. If there is any, it's from people who are pro-racist for Asians at least in the "a hard worker" field. When it turns around and means they elevate to CEOs, that's a problem?

        • by silentcoder ( 1241496 ) on Thursday November 17, 2016 @04:58AM (#53303933)

          It is amazing to me how, apparently, none of the people in the Christian right has ever read what their beloved bible has to say about immigration (yes - it addresses the topic DIRECTLY).

          The foreigner who moves to your land is to be treated as an equal and welcomed as a citizen and a brother.

          That's the biblical decree on immigration. Weird how they all know what Leviticus has to say about gay sex but none of them knows what it said about immigration - it's in the same book. Then again they also ignore pretty much everything else in that book. Too bad they ignore the good things (welcome immigrants and treat them kindly) with the same vigor as they ignore the bad things "sell your daughter into slavery".

      • by Dahamma ( 304068 ) on Thursday November 17, 2016 @02:51AM (#53303539)

        No, you are not "genuinely curious". If you were, you could trivially find dozens of examples of his racism and mysogyny for yourself with a few minutes of searching.

        And the primary sources of a number of the quotes even you could trust: Brietbart, since he FUCKING PUBLISHED THEM HIMSELF. Others are direct quotes from his radio show.

        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          by AK Marc ( 707885 )
          That he's a wife-beater doesn't make him racist. That he profits from a racist newspaper doesn't make him racist. The only "quotes" I've seen attributed to him were all penned by someone else, then attributed to him.http://heavy.com/news/2016/11/steve-bannon-stephen-steven-quotes-trump-racist-alt-right-allegations-jew-jewish-anti-semitism-israel-breitbart-divorce-white-nationalism/ and many others accuse him of being evil, but none give quotes in his own words that are directly racist. Sure, a few have a
          • That he profits from a racist newspaper doesn't make him racist.

            That he ran a website publishing sexist and racist things doesn't make him sexist and racist. Oh, you know what, actually it does.

          • That he's a wife-beater doesn't make him racist.

            Right. That makes him a misogynist, and demonstrates deep lack of character.

            That he leads and serves as executive chairman for a racist newspaper doesn't make him racist.

            Yes, it does. He is in a position to direct the paper to stop being racist, and doesn't. Further, it was when he took over that it took hard racist turn. He doesn't just passively profit from racism (though that would be bad enough, honestly), he actively directs it.

            but none give quotes in his own words that are directly racist. Sure, a few have a tinge or dog whistle, but none are overtly racist. You'd think if it was so obvious, someone would be able to provide a quote.

            Assuming that's true, it just means he's careful. The "tinge and dog whistle" approach allows him to speak clearly to his fellow racists but attempts to provide plausibl

            • I don't get why people want to defend someone like Bannon, unless they also are misogynists and racists. And if they are, why don't they just say so rather than trying to claim he's not?

              His paper says other things they like besides the racism. If things like racism don't affect you directly (family, friends, neighbors, etc), it can be really really easy to ignore it when somebody says a whole bunch of other things that you do like.

              Most people aren't actively racist. A lot of people are what I would call passively racist. You could call them "neutral" with regards to race, but since we as humans have a natural tendency to be suspicious of the unfamiliar, I think passively racist is much mor

      • by silentcoder ( 1241496 ) on Thursday November 17, 2016 @04:53AM (#53303913)

        How about Breitbart headlines over the past 2 years or so while he was editor ? There's plenty of flagrant sexist and racist bits in there. The washington post ran a profile on Bannon the racist a few days ago that consistently almost entirely of a list of links to articles he approved as editors with their headlines.

      • Just in case other people haven't done this:

        Here's the Washington Post article which talks about the interview:
        https://www.washingtonpost.com... [washingtonpost.com]

        And here's the actual, AUDIO of the interview so you can hear him in literally his own words saying this:
        https://soundcloud.com/breitba... [soundcloud.com]

        Next time you're "genuinely curious" about something, do bother to read the article carefully. See the underlined words? They indicate "links" which is a way of connecting web pages together. If you clicked on the VERY FIRST li

  • by JoeyRox ( 2711699 ) on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @10:16PM (#53302089)
    So according to Steven Bannon we can't have a "civic society" in America if there are areas whose population aren't a majority of whites. I expected a more sophisticated racist euphemism from a Harvard-educated man.
    • by Daemonik ( 171801 ) on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @10:32PM (#53302199) Homepage
      Well to be fair he does have to still pretend that he's not an outright racist piece of crap while speaking in code phrases the Breitbart crowd can understand.
  • by narcc ( 412956 ) on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @10:17PM (#53302099) Journal

    Don't we want the best and brightest from around the world to work here, to our advantage, rather than their home countries?

    • In his mind, the sets of 'best and brightest' and 'from around the world' probably do not overlap.

    • by s.petry ( 762400 )

      So yes, and I gather from context that the "Live" here is the concern. Work here is important too, but if the talent stays for a couple years and moves home to India, or China, or South Korea (etc..) with their fortune has our society received as much benefit from the arrangement? Cherry picking context for some for of "ism" or "obia" has become so old that I am simply ignoring MSM. Boycott is your only leverage to change this shit from the media oligarchs who are pissed that their crony lost.

      6% trust ra

      • The ideal outcome for a student visa is to come here, get educated, spend a few years working, then go home. Well, ideal for the US, and the home country. Not usually the best outcome for the student.

        A big part of Africa's current condition can be traced to decades of the best and brightest Africans coming here (and England), and then staying forever. We should have been sending them home, where they would have had the ability and drive to improve conditions in their home countries.

    • No one wants that, near as I can tell.

      We want diversity and quotas. No, I don't know how this translates into a healthy economy, but I suspect underwear gnomes are involved.

    • by afxgrin ( 208686 )

      We want the best and brightest to work as frightened wage slaves who won't dare ask for more money or argue with the boss. Having these people in companies that compete against their businesses is obviously a problem for them, it's sort of implying that immigrants should be relegated to the lower classes of any "civic society", possibly the middle class at best.

    • but I'm mostly seeing code monkeys. Meanwhile companies don't train anymore. Ever. I've watched every company I know fire their training departments and slash funding to pay for certifications. Ten years ago an ex-coworker of mine got $10k in Salesforce training that he took on company time. Me today? Not so much.

      We can send the H1-Bs back and train Americans in 6 months to do their jobs. We don't want to. Trump got into office on the promise of doing that. Bannon is making motions to do that.
  • Does not follow? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by TodPunk ( 843271 ) on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @10:19PM (#53302109) Homepage

    In what world does "civic society" equate to "white nationalist identity?" There's a dozen things I could honestly take from this quote, and I could do without its really heavy baiting to control where I'm going with my interpretations.

    I get that Bannon isn't likable or something. I don't want to dispute anything about him either way. I just want data without the entire heavy-leaning interpretation of hand-wavy words. He's clearly wrong about his numbers. Can we focus on that? Do we have to label him "white nationalist" with all but coming out and saying that? Is that helpful? Pretend he's an actual white supremacist and proud of it. Can we not criticize his points on their own, like actual discourse requires? If he and his words are simply not worth talking about, this is not how to go about that.

    Good lord there's so much to actually criticize out there and we're just framing every damn thing in tribalistic nonsense. (Before it gets assumed, no, I don't think this is limited to one "party" or whatever. It's common in every sensationalist nonsense "journalism" organization.)

    • by JoeyRox ( 2711699 ) on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @10:29PM (#53302181)
      Try reversing the question - what about a CEO being Asian would detract from a civic society in America? I asked myself the question and couldn't come up with an answer that didn't lean racist in construction. But I'm open to ideas in case my imagination is limited on the topic...
      • Very simple to answer that, they were talking about FOREIGNERS from asia being the leaders in tech companies in that area and our school systems not producing enough . This is why Obama pushed STEM for instance.

      • When we're talking H1-Bs coming here taking entry level or just above entry level code monkey jobs that companies used to train Americans to do. Every tech worker on this forum has lost at least $30k/yr to wage depression from the H1-B program. My life is worse than my parents and my kinds life will be worse than mine. She'll graduate into a $50/$60/k yr job with $30k debt. Fuck that.

        It's not racism, it's protectionism. My attitude is this: Don't come to my Country and drive down wages and make my life s
  • Solution: (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @10:19PM (#53302113)

    Dear people mad that "Asians" or whatever are running the tech companies...

    The obvious answer is "make more college graduates."

    Many state schools are turning to foreign nationals to pay out-of-state tuition to fund operating costs because their state has cut funding.

    So step 1 is... restore state funding to colleges, and you can get rid of some foreign students that whoever you want in roles won't have to compete with!

    Step 2 is... tell your constituents that college isnt a "liberal elite conspiracy," so they'll actually attend.

    Step 3 is... fund the ones that can't afford it. If some dude/dudette whose parents lost their manufacturing job to a robot has the talent, he should be there, gaining skills for America! Quit viewing college funds as a "handout" and look at it as an investment in America's workforce.

    That's pretty much it. You'll reduce the number of whoever you don't like in tech companies by a small amount, by making the people you do want in them more capable of competing.

    I'm pretty sure even the Asians you're mad at will be cool with that.

    • because that's the question that gets asked everytime we talk about free or cheap college anymore. 66% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck (e.g. don't have $400 to their name). That's a _lot_ of folks who can't afford it.

      People don't skip college because it's a liberal elite conspiracy. They skip college for money. Unless you can get Americans to suck down the taxes (in the face of declining wages) that's not gonna change.

      Here's another option. Ever wonder how people from 2nd world countries can
  • The Actual Quote (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @10:20PM (#53302121)

    When asked if he agreed, Bannon responded: “When two-thirds or three-quarters of the CEOs in Silicon Valley are from South Asia or from Asia, I think ... ” he didn’t finish his sentence. “A country is more than an economy. We’re a civic society.”

    While it doesn't exactly seem to have a very positive connotation, there's also not much of a negative one. It's definitely not what the widespread quote has been.

    Definition of a civic society [wikipedia.org] (since I had to look it up):

    In the United Kingdom, a civic society is a voluntary body or society which aims to represent the needs of a local community. Some also take the role of an amenity society.

    A civic society may campaign for high standards of planning of new buildings or traffic schemes, conservation of historic buildings, and may present awards for good standards. They may organise litter collections or "best kept village" cleanups

    I'm clearly missing the problem here? He has the wrong statistic (literally the opposite quantity), but what part of his statement doesn't make sense? A country should probably be a civic society, by that definition, to preserve its own self-interests. I also agree that with the other statement that we should look to retain their best and simply block their worst. Why effectively use our institution's tax dollars to train a foreign power's workers?

    • But how does having Asian CEOs living in America go against that stated definition of a civic society for a country like America whose foundation is immigration and the melding of cultures?
      • Our schools are not producing the number of tech leaders they should. Obama agrees with that, hence STEM. Civic problem, not doing duty for one's local area.

    • by chiguy ( 522222 ) on Thursday November 17, 2016 @01:31AM (#53303275) Homepage

      This is how racial code words work. You are blind to their meaning because you are not impacted by them. They're "just words." Because you will "obviously" never be excluded from "civic society" like Asian CEOs would be excluded. Presumably because I'm guessing you're not Asian or any other minority (or you're Omarosa).

      Some examples of code words that will probably never affect you but seriously affect others:

      Inner City: “You can’t publicly say black people don’t like to work, but you can say there’s an inner-city culture in which generations of people don’t value work.”

      States’ Rights: "while “states’ rights” is a pretty racially neutral issue, you just have to look at what was happening at the moment to realize that everyone knew it translated to the right of states to resist federal mandates to integrate schools and society."

      Forced Busing: on its face, was racially neutral, “the Northern analog of states’ rights,” which “allowed the North to express fevered opposition to integration without having to mention race.” After all, kids had been bused to school for quite a while. It was only when the plan took on a racial edge that it became controversial. Politicians didn’t have to say that outright, though—they simply dropped in the phrase to trigger resentment and gain supporters.

      Cut Taxes: Dog-whistle politics is partly about demonizing people of color, but it’s also about demonizing government in a way that helps the very rich, says López. So, when Ronald Regan said “cut taxes,” what he was communicating to the middle class was, “so your taxes won’t be wasted on minorities.” A key Reagan operative admitted as much in an interview quoted in Lopez’s book, saying, ” ‘We want to cut taxes’ is a whole lot more abstract than, ‘N*****, n*****.’ ” It continues to be more abstract, and it continues to work.

      Law and Order: is a way to draw on an image of minorities as criminals that was used by both Reagan and Clinton. He points to an inverse relationship in Congress between conversations about civil rights and criminal law enforcement. “What you see in the 1960s is that opposition to civil rights becomes ‘what we really need is law and order, to crack down’. ” Of course, the latter is less controversial and, at least on its surface, avoids the issue of race.

      ‘Welfare’ and ‘Food Stamps’: Welfare, says López, was broadly supported during the New Deal era when it was understood that people could face hardships in their lives that sometimes required government assistance, and, in fact, was purposely limited to white recipients. In this context, it wasn’t heavily stigmatized. Fast-forward to the 1960s, when Lyndon Johnson made it clear that he wanted it to have a racial-justice component. “Then it becomes possible for conservatives to start painting welfare as a transfer of wealth to minorities,” says Lopez. Remember those Reagan speeches about welfare queens? Today, says López, we hear “food stamps” used similarly.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    We've made an investment in these people. We should be doing everything we can to keep them here. Let's start stapling green cards to STEM degrees from accredited universities.

    • by Ziest ( 143204 )

      BINGO. Our immigration policy is a total joke. There should be a fast track to citizenship, like 2 or 3 years, for people with a high level of education especially in STEM. Have a look at the immigration policy in Canada.

    • The idea is you educate them here and send them back home so they can startup industry's there and effect political change that steers their home country more towards US political ideas and increases the number of their people who can buy our products. That's the payoff to our investment.

      I understand that's a hard concept for the average Trumpie to understand but if you think about it really hard maybe you'll get it.

      • ... and increases the number of their people who can buy our products.

        Are you talking about the Apple products they won't be able to make anymore because American workers are too expensive, or the agricultural products that there won't be anyone left to pick?

  • ...and he said this during the campaign ... and if everyone knew about it... unfortunately, Trump would have still beat sorry ass Hillary Clinton.
  • I'm only half Asian, and it's the south kind. So pray I'm ok.

    Err, except...my mum grew up speaking Chinese as a kid. Crap!

    Mr Bannon I your rules unclear. Am I human or not?

    • by iggymanz ( 596061 ) on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @11:04PM (#53302421)

      eh, I only see him saying a country is its people too, not just economy and having a large number of foreigners leading the economy talent isn't the best thing. Hmmm, isn't that like Obama's STEM emphasis?

      Really, I'm coming up dry looking for this Bannon guy's supposed racist quotes. I see what his ex-wife said sure, and what some others claim about him. But no proof. Where is his big racist diatribes, c'mon I'm wanting to see some of his nasty jew-bashing, black bashing, asian-bashing etc.

  • Could someone help this poor immigrant out? Are racial quotas a bad thing now? Just a few months ago, I was told [nytimes.com], it is a very good and useful thing, but TFA seems to frown on it...

  • those crazy high college costs. Turns out companies bring them over here and pay for schooling so they can have them work as "interns" (there are no quotes big enough for the preceding). Far from subsidizing my kid's education they're so profitable that they're squeezing her out. She'll need a 4.0 just to get into her year 3 classes. That's not grade inflation either. Kids are retaking classes they get Bs in to maintain that 4.0.

    Either that or fund schools enough that you can finish them with a C averag
  • by vovin ( 12759 ) on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @11:55PM (#53302741)

    Given Sundar Pichai is Google's CEO ...
    Seems to me this is just Breitbart trying to muddy the waters as Google is taking a stand against 'fake news' and twitter is banning the alt-right.
    If Breitbart can claim victim status perhaps they can get around Google (and thereby Facebook et.al.) from classifying them as 'fake news'.
    By being incendiary about Asian (that's Indian in British parlance) CEOs then can later claim that Google banning them (Breitbart) is personal.
    While I probably don't agree that Breitbart is 'fake' they are certainly walking the line and occasionally stepping over. Breitbart is unabashedly biased and incendiary and some opinions and commentary seems to not be shy of using 'post-fact' rhetoric.

  • by Qbertino ( 265505 ) <moiraNO@SPAMmodparlor.com> on Thursday November 17, 2016 @08:07AM (#53304381)

    My US Grandpa worked at Grumman Aircraft and helped building the Lunar Lander.
    My US Great Grand Aunt was a Secretary of President Roosevelt.
    My dad worked with NASA.
    As a kid and teenager I was a very very proud american citizen, even though I lived abroad most of my life (I'm German now, for reasons unrelated to this post)

    When my mom and my dad were in the US in Texas in the early '70ies , my mom worked the night-shift at a diner near Houston. During the day she would work part-time protocolling the radio transmitions of the Apollo missions, a job she had gotten through the contact of my dad, who was working at NASA at the time. We had a house in Clear-Lake-City, the engineers city Houston had build for the NASA employees.

    There were two incidents she told me about a few times:
    Once she was working the late shift at the Diner again and a bunch of men came in, and started asked my mom if she knew of some German lady working somewhere in a Diner not wearing a bra. It was a shock to my mom that some unknow group of men had gone out for a ride to come look for her because someone had spread the work *that she wasn't wearing a bra*. My mom speaks accent free english and said she'd never heard of anything like that. Please note: Not wearing a bra was perfectly normal in most parts of the western world in the 60ies and 70ies, but in totally backwards rural Texas it was considered a sensation/scandal.

    Another time she was tending to african-american guests and talking and joking with them when an older cowboy got up in the middle of his meal, slammed money on the table and left without a word. My mom was bedazzled about what had gone wrong and the black people told her that white people don't talk to black people in these parts and that her behaviour was very unusual by rural Texas standards. Medieval standards, no less.

    Fastforward into the early 80ies, smack in the middle of the cold war and nuclear exchange always looming we lived near Bonn in western Germany and my mom used to say that the Russians weren't the problem. But a USA turning fascist - that should be the thing to be afraid of. Very afraid.

    My mom is a smart woman.

    And I have to say, heaven help us all if it's the USAs turn to try out fascism.

    And I know perfectly 'normal' nice people can turn into something far beyond anything one might call 'savage'. If you come to Germany today, you wouldn't think for a moment that our ancestors are responsible for the most extreme atrocities ever commited by and to humanity.

    I'm actually staying paranoid and have been for the past 2.5 decades, ready to move out of Europe and to Patagonia or something, should fascism and xenophobia start to spread out in Europe and other parts of the western world again. And my buddies are starting to understand.

    My 2 cents.

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