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Iran's Military Nuclear Program Lasted Longer Than We Thought (thebulletin.org) 134

Lasrick writes: Two articles in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists analyze the IAEA's December 2nd report (PDF) on the possible military dimensions of Iran's nuclear program. Ariane Tabatabai goes into what the report did (and did not) reveal: "According to U.S. intelligence, Iran ceased its nuclear-weapon-related activities in 2003 and did not subsequently make a political decision to resume them. The IAEA report unsurprisingly indicates that Tehran did have a “coordinated” nuclear weapon development program until 2003. Iran further engaged in some activities after 2003 but these were not coordinated, according to the report." Harvard's Martin Malin summarizes key takeaways from the process: "[T]he report points out that, unfortunately, Iran has taken steps that make it more difficult for the country to put the past behind it."
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Iran's Military Nuclear Program Lasted Longer Than We Thought

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  • by Anonymous Coward

    They are a better ally than Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 05, 2015 @03:02PM (#51063385)

      The Persian people? Absolutely. The militant theocracy actively supporting terrorism in at least 5 sovereign nations? Hell no.

      • by SumDog ( 466607 ) on Saturday December 05, 2015 @03:47PM (#51063515) Homepage Journal

        They had a functioning democracy. They were even on their way to decent women's rights and progressivism. However, Anglo-Persian Oil Company (British Petroleum) didn't like how they wanted to nationalize their oil fields. So the US staged a coupé, and installed a dictator. There was another revolution later ... and you get the idea.

        > The militant theocracy actively supporting terrorism in at least 5 sovereign nations? Hell no.

        Wait wait. Um...America is a semi-theocracy (in the sense conservatives have used religion to bolster pro-war agendas) and is the largest state sponsor of terror in the world! The US has the largest air force, squadrons of remote killing machines (predator drones) and ten active air craft carriers (the nations with the 2nd largest fleets of aircraft carriers all have 2 or less).

        You know why Iran wants nuclear weapons? They're not weapons. No one can actually use them today (Mutually Assured Destruction; if two or more nuclear nations launched weapons, the devastation would be beyond measure). It's the same reason Pakistan has them. It's about power.

        They're scared, and rightfully so. The US, UK et al has been meddling in their nation for decades. None of these countries want war. All they want is to defend themselves from the US, Russia, the EU and anyone else that wants to take from them again.

        • So the US staged a coupé

          We staged a two-door hardtop car? I'm confused as to why we would do that to Iran.

          Or did you mean "coup"? No, the "é" isn't part of that word, though it does show you can use unicode, I suppose....

        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          by Anonymous Coward

          America is a semi-theocracy

          That has legalized abortion, pornography of many ilks, gay marriage, constitutionalized freedom of religion including no religion and regionalized polygamy and prostitution? Yeah. Keep talking about this theocracy you talk about. I'm not a religious person myself but this is bullshit. People like you won't be happy until you can jail a man for so much as saying god bless you at a sneeze. As for the conservatives using religion to bolster war? Cite. Fucking cite it from a

        • by Anonymous Coward

          Wait wait. Um...America is a semi-theocracy (in the sense conservatives have used religion to bolster pro-war agendas)

          Actually it's basically a complete theocracy once you throw in the PC-fundamentalist SJWs and their cults of offence. Now get on your knees and repent your sins.

        • by gtall ( 79522 ) on Saturday December 05, 2015 @07:37PM (#51064495)

          Aw...those fluffy little Iranians wouldn't hurt anyone, they only want to protect themselves...from the women and children in Syria that Assad is busy killing with the Iranian lapdogs, Hezbollah, or the useful idiots from Iraq they've convinced to fight in Syria, or their own poor suckers they've sent there? Them are some ferocious women and children they're killing. Or those naughty Jews in Israel who never gave a flying rat's ass about Iran until Iran decided to care about Israel? Or is it the Big Bad Sunnis in Iraq they can use as a foil to re-kindle their centuries long theocratic war?

          And how do you know the Iranians don't think they can use nukes? There's no deterrent unless you actually have plans to use the damn things.

          • "And how do you know the Iranians don't think they can use nukes?"

            For starters: MOSSAD - yes, the Israeli secret service - issue a report in the mid 2000s stating that they Iranians already had more than enough enriched uranium onhard to build several dozen bombs and had shown no inclination whatsoever to actually do so.

            Instead, Mossad reported that all of it had been sequestered for use in their civil nuclear reactor.

            Quite simply: after 60 years of being screwed over by the west and by the russians for ev

          • To quote Newton:

            Third law: When one body exerts a force on a second body, the second body simultaneously exerts a force equal in magnitude and opposite in direction on the first body.

            When we put pressure on any nation or group of people, they are going to push back. For a long time - since WWII or so - the US has been one of the main generators of hostile pressure on nations in the Middle East and elsewhere, in the pursuit of 'American Interests' (iow: the interests of big, American corporations; funny how the interests of the American people seem to have little significance). As I keep saying: We, in the West, have to stop producing the conditions in which terrorism flo

        • by khallow ( 566160 )

          America is a semi-theocracy (in the sense conservatives have used religion to bolster pro-war agendas)

          Any democracy is a "semi-theocracy" in the sense that they have religious voters.

        • They had a functioning democracy. They were even on their way to decent women's rights and progressivism. However, Anglo-Persian Oil Company (British Petroleum) didn't like how they wanted to nationalize their oil fields. So the US staged a coupé, and installed a dictator. There was another revolution later ... and you get the idea.

          No, Iran didn't have a "functioning democracy." The Prime Minister overthrew the "functioning democracy." He dissolved parliament, was ruling by decree, and faked an election in which he received a higher percentage of votes than either Hitler or Stalin in an attempt to "legitimize" his actions. Even worse, he refused the power of the head of state, the Shah, to remove him as would any monarch in a constitutional monarchy. That is the "functioning democracy" that was "overthrown." The US and UK didn't

        • However, Anglo-Persian Oil Company (British Petroleum) didn't like how they wanted to nationalize their oil fields. So the US staged a coupé, and installed a dictator.

          Close. It was Anglo-Iranian and they were 51% owned by the British.
          It also wasn't a case of them "wanting" to nationalise their oil fields. They did so, amidst violent protests, they kicked British and Americans out of the country and basically brought the 4th largest oil producer in the world to a standstill.

          The USA didn't install a sympathetic dictator for several years. It was relatively easy to do too since the entire country was economically crumbling under the weight of the British and American sancti

        • Hey someone else that understands the actual use of nuclear weapons. No country is retarded enough to nuke anyone else without some MAAAAAAAAAAAAJOR provocation. All nukes do is posture up so no one comes and conventionally bombs the everliving shit out of your country.
        • "ten active air craft carriers (the nations with the 2nd largest fleets of aircraft carriers all have 2 or less)."

          That's 10 supercarriers. The US has a _lot_ more flat-tops than that (it has 8 active wasp-class USMC carriers alone, just retired 5 Tarawa class ones, 1 America class one (of 2) and is building more Wasps. Most other countries' aircraft carriers are the same size as USA marine flattops which is why I'm using them for comparison)

          The UK's 2 supercarriers are likely to be useless as they're oil-f

  • Until 2003? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by tsotha ( 720379 ) on Saturday December 05, 2015 @03:16PM (#51063451)

    People are still dumb enough to believe Iran doesn't have a nuclear weapons program?

    • by cirby ( 2599 ) on Saturday December 05, 2015 @04:13PM (#51063591)

      Which means that the scientists report to a guy in regular clothes instead of a military uniform.

    • by rtb61 ( 674572 )

      Are people still dumb enough believe they can force anyone to abandon nuclear weapons research or that's even what was agreed to. They can research all they can, just at this time by agreement, they can not attempt to manufacture. So no nationwide threat of death for thought crimes, nobody agreed to it, nor would it be allowed. Before the US can say much more, they should start reducing the number of their weapons of mass destruction, as well as the stationing of weapons of mass destruction in foreign coun

      • Many us bases actually are closed. the USA is constantly closing bases, and let's look at Japan, which had the real USA occupation force in it.

        In 50 years japan went from an aggressive industrial country to pacifists the USA military occupation allowed japan to focus their resources not on military but on infrastructure, and production. allowing japanese companies to grow at massive rates.

        Actual us military occupation boosts the local country. what normally happens is a partial occupation where we try to

      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        by phantomfive ( 622387 )

        Are people still dumb enough believe they can force anyone to abandon nuclear weapons research or that's even what was agreed to.

        Why not? It's happened [bbc.co.uk] before [wikipedia.org]. It's clear that Iran's nuclear weapon program can be stopped, the only question is at what cost.

    • People are still dumb enough to believe Iran doesn't have a nuclear weapons program?

      Stating that simple fact could get you mod bombed for the last decade on Slashdot.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Payback is a bitch. The USA stopped Democracy in the Middle East. [wikipedia.org]

    You know, as I see the USA's real-politics (realpolitik) explode in our faces, our Middle East presence all for oil and nothing but for oil explode in our faces, I just have to wonder, wasn't there any hint of empathy when these policies were enacted?

    None. Jimmy Carter in 1980 expressed the Carter Doctrine [wikipedia.org] and every President since then used it.

    I'm in Georgia and if it weren't for the SS - Secret Service - I'd give ex-President Jimmy Carter

    • by KGIII ( 973947 )

      You're right, you're not getting any benefit. The US gets only a very tiny amount of oil from the Middle East. We get it from North and South America, mostly - actually by a huge margin. I don't recall the number but I think it's a single digit percentage of our oil comes from the Middle East the last time I looked.

      Hmm... In 2012 NPR had it at about 12% but it's gone down since then as we've ramped up our production and Canada's sending us millions of barrels as they've ramped up too.
      http://www.npr.org/2012 [npr.org]

      • by gtall ( 79522 )

        Um....the oil market is a Market, hence the name. Shut off mideast oil and watch how high the price goes.

        • US crude oil has an export ban. Crude oil is worth $5 less on the US market than the international market. Shut off mideast oil and Russia and Venezuela get a giant windfall, and US prices only spike 25% as much as everybody else because there is an international glut caused by Saudi Arabia flooding the market. Current oversupply, designed to shoulder out US producers, would have the opposite effect if the Saudis bumbled and flip-flopped and cut production after creating a surplus.

          Canada and Mexico battle f

    • by jedidiah ( 1196 )

      Would that be actual democracy or more along the lines of "this is the way we seize power" kind of democracy? I'm not sure that anyone in the mid-east (except for the Israelis) has any idea what that term means (democracy).

  • by Anonymous Coward

    ...Iraq had WMD and the US had to invade them.
    ...the NSA did not collect any information on Americans.
    ...the Paris terrorists were using crypto to avoid surveilance, only thanks to Snowden. (even though they also said that in 2001, and Bin Laden, they were using crypto to avoid surveilance)

    That's why I only believe US intelligence when the information was stolen.

  • Any up and coming country that is honestly interested in nuclear power as a way to shed commitment to fossil fuels would be researching Thorium based reactors instead. But this removes the path to fissionable materials used to make bombs... Kinda make their statements rather questionable at the least.
    • If only they worked. Thorium reactors are just a wet dream of pro nuke types. Never going to work.

      • Nope. Pro-nuke. No interest in thorium reactors at all. We have plenty of uranium (thousands of years worth, at least, even if ALL power was nuclear) and workable designs for uranium reacters - we don't need thorium for anything other dealing with the people who wet themselves whenever they hear the word "nuclear"....

    • by gtall ( 79522 )

      Blow thorium reactors out your ass, they won't work.

  • For anyone interested in this topic there's a great book by investigative journalist Gareth Porter that details the whole saga: Manufactured Crisis: The Untold Story of the Iran Nuclear Scare [amazon.com]

    It should be pointed out that the evidence which both the US intelligence estimate and the IAEA rely on to determine that there was an Iranian nuclear weapons program prior to 2003 is the so-called "laptop documents" which are fairly clearly forged but for which there are political reasons to ignore that fact.

    These fo

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