Chris Christie Proposes Tracking Immigrants the Way FedEx Tracks Packages 576
PolygamousRanchKid submits the news that New Jersey governor (and Republican presidential candidate) Chris Christie said yesterday that he would, if elected president, create a system to track foreign visitors the way FedEx tracks packages. The NYT writes:
Mr. Christie, who is far back in the pack of candidates for the Republican presidential nomination, said at a campaign event in New Hampshire that he would ask the chief executive of FedEx, Frederick W. Smith, to devise the tracking system."At any moment, FedEx can tell you where that package is. It's on the truck. It's at the station. It's on the airplane," Mr. Christie told the crowd in Laconia, N.H. "Yet we let people come to this country with visas, and the minute they come in, we lose track of them." He added: "We need to have a system that tracks you from the moment you come in."
Adds the submitter: "I'm sure foreign tourist will be amused when getting a bar code sticker slapped on their arm."
Yeah, nah. (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Yeah, nah. (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm somewhat interested in visiting the US, but this kind of bullshit would absolutely kill any desire to go there.
It took this? Not our general policy of running around the world tampering with governments, murdering people, and blowing up cities for profit?
Re:Yeah, nah. (Score:5, Insightful)
Even if we may be skeptical to or disagree with US policy, it doesn't mean that we dislike everyone who lives there or what is there.
Re:Yeah, nah. (Score:4, Informative)
It took this? Not our general policy of running around the world tampering with governments, murdering people, and blowing up cities for profit?
Those did kill it most of the way, and the "somewhat interested" is conditional on some pretty unlikely things, such as someone else footing the bill for the trip.
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Targets in Baghdad were bombed, Baghdad as a whole wasn't. The US didn't profit from bombing Baghdad, so that is nonsense. Citing Haliburton doesn't make the case stronger.
You are peddling nonsense.
Re:The above is informative ? (Score:5, Insightful)
I think people are more upset at the perceived risk of getting a barcode tattoo reminiscent of what they used in concentration camps (yeah, I Godwin'ed the thread), or maybe getting pulled over and shot by a cop for having a broken tail light.
Such things really does count against visiting the US compared to taking a week on a beach somewhere else.
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I don't know what that tells us about opinions in general but it certainly tells us about /. posters.
The most it tells us is about 4 Slashdot posters (3 that modded one post up, and 1 person who modded one post down). Not really enough information to make any sort of judgement about the whole user-base.
Re:The above is informative ? (Score:5, Insightful)
What's your definition of "peace"? There are always multiple wars going on in numerous places in the world, constantly. Many of these are being interfered with, instigated, or supported by the US and its allies. It's profitable to sell weapons to both sides, to keep the wars going. The only more profitable situation is when you get your puppet installed as leader, then you can just pilfer the public assets wholesale.
Just because it's peaceful in your little gated neighbourhood, doesn't mean the rest of the world is a-ok.
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Re:The above is informative ? (Score:4, Informative)
An easier way would be to name the wars NOT involving Muslims.
Same goes for Americans doesn't it?
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The vast majority of that list in the past couple of decades were training missions or disaster aid and other mundane things where we were actually invited in to help. There was some murder and mayhem of course since we are in a war with several terrorist organizations. I'm not a big fan of acting as the world's police force either, it's too damn expensive. Still, it's not near as bad as you make it seem.
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Why are people taking this raving by a candidate with not much chance of getting elected so seriously?
In fact it tells a lot about the society where a candidate may hope to get votes with such ravings.
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Anyone who still visits the US after the iris/fingerprinting/laptop-snooping/body-scanning/anal-reaming bullshit is already an embarrassment to humanity.
At least a barcode slapped visibly to one's forehead would be an honest expression of what's going on, and frankly I'd rather that than all of the above.
Re: Yeah, nah. (Score:3, Insightful)
It's not a barcode, it's a Star of David and it must always remain visible
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Re:Yeah, nah. (Score:5, Informative)
Oh well then, just drop in to your nearest police station or FBI department every morning during your stay to say howdy. Nothing wrong with that.
The equivalent took place in former communist countries. I remember visiting the DDR (East Germany) and having to turn in my passport every night. Get a little perspective here, please.
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pretty sure he doesnt care about people coming to visit... pretty sure he only cares about those with visas. dumb as shit idea, but it certainly wouldnt affect anyone who isnt planning on immigrating here.
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Why not a nice tattoo like this one : http://wpmedia.o.canada.com/20... [canada.com]
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Similar for other professions: medical, engineering, etc.
This will work so well. Christie and his entourage must be completely incapable of critical thought to consider this idea for more that 10 seconds. A proposal like this would destroy the ability of the US to maintain world class leadership of anything.
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It's not the tag that will humiliate you. It's the method of implantation.
"Remove your clothing, face that wall, put both hands up on the wall, put your feet back so that you're leaning against the wall."
ZIIIP!
Placing the chip on the head of his penis, the inquisitor approaches you.
Re:Yeah, nah. (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Yeah, nah. (Score:5, Informative)
I can see it now. Ivy league university hires world class researcher, who has to get tagged with an RFID as if they were cattle to be allowed to work in the US.
And where specifically did you read that people will be tagged with an RFID? They could simply carry an ID card. A perfectly reasonable requirement. They could check in once in a while. Another perfectly reasonable requirement.
Many here are making up unreasonable scenarios then arguing how stupid they are.
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That may be reasonable, but is NOT how FedEx-style tracking works. And that, and not something reasonable, was the key point.
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Christie is ideal (Score:5, Insightful)
Christie would make the ideal VP for Trump. They're both ignorant bigots.
Re:Christie is ideal (Score:5, Insightful)
At first I thought that Trump was deliberately put into the picture to draw the playing field towards 'the right', i.e. make one guy say the most outlandish stuff so that the previously outlandish things the rest said actually seem reasonable (and conversely, making the actually reasonable stuff sound silly and far away from reality).
But the completely baffling thing to me is that there are actually droves of people in the US that not only support Trump, but actively defend his words and say asinine shit like: "He's a true American. We need a guy like that for president" and: "The media are making him sound racist". I remember being very surprised that a moron like Bush Jr. could become (and stay!) president, but this is definitely a new low for the US. Trump hasn't been elected yet, but the fact that so many people like him and support him is already deeply, deeply disgraceful.
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"He's a true American. We need a guy like that for president"
Actually, that's not far from the truth. What's the other party running with, anyway? Traitorous scum of course. Clinton and Kerry both make a patriotic Trump look good in comparison. FFS, the left pampers and rewards outright terrorists with appointments as "professors". What sort of reaction do you EXPECT?!?!?!
Re:Christie is ideal (Score:5, Insightful)
Trump's immigration "policies" get a lot of support because they basically mirror the same kind of simplistic truth people believe: Illegal immigrants have broken the law and should be deported, walling off the border between the US and Mexico will keep them out, lack of rigorous immigration enforcement enables illegal immigrant criminals to commit crime.
It seems easy to me to understand why people so easily believe in these ideas, they have a kind of uncomplicated truth to them. If you are not residing or working in the US legally, why shouldn't you be deported? Certainly a large wall on the border would greatly hinder illegal imimgrants from infilitrating the border. We certainly don't want people with violent criminal histories entering the US, bypassing immigration allows these people to enter the US and potentially commit crime and deporting illegal immigrants before they commit crimes seems to have a certain preventative logic to it.
Of course, none of these "positions" or "ideas" is more than surface deep. The basic logisticts of deporting all illegal immigrants is pretty crazy and lacks a certain humanity in many cases. It's debatable how effective some giant wall would be and who the hell would pay for it?
None of it seems to address deeper questions of the problems of the current immigration system or why both political parties seem willfully unable to address it, or the value their constituences see in the current system, from cheap, wage-suppressed labor or for political pandering to immigrant groups to expansion of presumably political friendly constituencies.
And all of them avoid the kind of hard debates on well, who should be allowed to assume residency and work in the US? Is someone going to actually step up to the plate and argue for an open borders policy in an honest an direct manner (it would appear that Trump is the advocate for the opposite policy)? If it's not open borders, then how, exactly will we regulate and enforce an immigration policy in a way that's consistent and achieves desirable goals?
What's always surprised me is the lack of African American voices in the immigration debate. They have the highest unemployment rates and illegals take the kind of low-skill, entry-level jobs one would assume that would be the easiest for the many African Americans with poor educations to take. This leads to the questions of racial discrimination, although that seems complicated by the idea that Latinos can get these jobs. Then there's arguments about jobs "we won't do" but this begs the quesiton as to why those jobs don't pay more (I guess they don't have to with a supply of illegals) or whether people have some moral right to not work for jobs they don't want, yet be able to demand subsidies for not working.
Re:Christie is ideal (Score:4, Interesting)
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simple, you start doing it, others take the hint and leave themselves. employers get punished for hiring such, they take the hint
Like how arresting drug dealers stops drug dealing you mean? The only thing simple about this is you....
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This isn't illegal immigration he's talking about - it's legal, hence the visas.
Re:Christie is ideal (Score:5, Interesting)
What I would like to see is neither option.
I want Visas available for all the jobs we need doing. Right now we can't get american's to pick food and until we have robots doing it we need people to do it. We should have a visa just for this purpose and have people get it legally. They should come here legally, work here legally and NOT be exploited by farmers, factories etc.
On the other end we need to make it vastly simpler to bring in very highly skilled people from other countries. I am not talking about the H1-B crap that is abused and just for getting cheap programmers pretty much. I am talking about people with masters or PhDs from highly respected universities in biotech, nanotech, material science etc. People that we honestly don't have enough of and bringing the best over won't actually have any impact on americans being employed.
There are some fields where that are only a few thousand qualified people on earth to do certain high tech jobs and we could employ ALL of them with barely a dent in the demand.
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Which would be only proper. You break it - you buy it. And you broke a lot of countries.
Re:Christie is ideal (Score:5, Interesting)
So you want the US to go full imperialist? It's an idea; solve the Mexican illegal immigrant problem by annexing Mexico. Send in a team of special prosecutors (perhaps ex-US Attorneys headed by Christie) to bring the corruption down to New Jersey levels, then admit the Mexican States to the US.
Not amused (Score:3)
Yeah i am sure amused to be tracked all the time like cattle with a tag and not having a private moment. Being treated like an animals sound fun. Why don't you start first Chrissie sweetie. How about we attach a gps tag on your ankle. That sound fun right ?
But it wouldn't work anyway. (Score:5, Insightful)
But it wouldn't work anyway.
I don't think he even understands FedEx. FedEx cannot tell you where a package is RIGHT NOW. They can only tell you where it was LAST SCANNED.
The reason this works well for packages is that packages don't move themselves. And even then it has failures. This will completely fail because HUMANS can wander around on their own.
Sounds more like Christie wants to associate his campaign with something that people have a mostly positive opinion of. But I'm pretty sure that FedEx will not want to be associated with a losing candidate OR the concept of tagging and tracking undesirable races/nationalities (shades of Nazi German there).
Firing up the base (Score:2)
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Well, if by terrorist group she means keeping people constantly afraid that some immigrant is going to rape and kill them, and that we have to ship them all away...
Watch fox news for about 10 minutes, and there will be some fear-mongerer there.
(Note, I could not read you link, Time seems to be buggy and not show anything more than the first paragraph.)
Dumbest thing I've heard today. (Score:5, Insightful)
FedEx packages are travelling through a confined system of checkpoints. Unless Christie wants to put checkpoints all around America and have everyone showing their papers to TSA agents on every public highway, it just won't work.
Re:Dumbest thing I've heard today. (Score:5, Insightful)
He probably does.
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Well, once the infrastructure is in place, we might as well use it to scan other groups of US citizens, as well. Such as, convicted criminals and the members of the Ohio Presbyterian Grandmothers Association Luncheon.
Why members of the Ohio Presbyterian Grandmothers Association Luncheon?
Why not? "Because we can", says the NSA . . .
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Re:Dumbest thing I've heard today. (Score:5, Funny)
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Part of Trump's charm seems to be his lack of a filter in this be careful as fuck what you say era we live in.
It would appear the Jersey Governor may lack the Donald's Teflon skin.
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Have you been paying attention to the republican plan?
1. Track Aliens
2. Put walls up at both Canada and Mexico
3. Destroy Public schools
4. More private prisons
5. Stronger drug and other sentencing to fill said prisons.
6. Bigger war machine
7. No minimum wage
8. Cut taxes for rich and business, increase tax for everyone else
9. Health care plan "Let them die"
10. Reduce voting of poor people.
These people are no longer republican, they are fascist. Yes, they are going to want to see your papers.
Lock them in trucks? (Score:4, Insightful)
Sounds like Christie was inspired by last week's news from Austria [go.com].
Like so very many problems, this one becomes much simpler once you stop thinking of "them" as people.
or tatoo (Score:2)
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So what are we looking ideally?
1. Chip that is compatible with Electronic toll collection used in EU(Autopass, etc) just for tracking
2. Plant it on them, with identification
3. Do nothing really, except enjoy statistics and maps
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They are not people. They are illegal aliens (from another planet I guess) who come here to steal our jobs (does anyone hold certificate of ownership to a job? because if you don't then it cannot be "stolen" from you) and rape our children (even though their incarceration rate outside of immigration offenses [duh!] is lower than the general population).
Just ask that man of the people, Donald Trump.
Until they can't (Score:4, Insightful)
Sure, FedEx can tell you exactly where a package is, until they can't anymore. It's not like they don't lose packages. The only reason they can track them as well as they do is because they are going to a limit number of areas where they are scanned going in and out of each. And they still lose them sometime. Unless we are going to have immigrant get scanned in everywhere they go, there isn't a way to track people the same way we track packages.
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Well, they could always take a book out of China (until some years ago) or North Korea's book, and demand that all foreign visitors are at all times followed by a minder...
Our system is NOT GOOD! (Score:2)
Silly season is in full swing (Score:5, Insightful)
And there are a lot of us out there who would vote Republican again if only they would lose that crazy shit, and get back to real conservative principles, like watch the money, but pay the bills, and to let people alone.
What is amazing though is that some of their base will go along with this, even though Christie's Star of David patch idea smacks a little of a mark of the beast as well. The amazing thing is that a mainstream candidate like Christie would not think twice about proposing this really bad idea with really bad precedents.
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Yeah, the Republicans are batshit insane. But - you're going to pretend that the OTHER PARTY IS NOT?!?!?! The Dems are at least as psychotic as the R's are. How 'bout that bitch, Hillary Rodham?
I raise you, Mr. Freedom and Small Government (Score:3, Informative)
Both the Republicans and Democrats know the only way to stave off Social Security money scarcity is to inhale large numbers of younger workers (this, by the way, is the exact problem Ponzi schemes have, and why they were made illegal, and why it's a legitimate comparison -- they always run out of new investors to pay back previous ones. They just don't have the legal power to force everyone to invest, delaying, but not stopping, the inevitable. No "investor" gets back as much as they put in...in either.)
The Republicans are just pissed The Donald has made a stink of it, and now they have to respond with idiocies like this, the more outrageous the better, apparently. Seriously.
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Social security is not a Ponzi scheme and they planned for this LONG ago. People contributed a lot more than necessary to build up a fund to make sure social security stayed solvent and based on their predictions it worked.
The problem social security has is other parts of the government took the money and replaced it with IOUs.
Social security is not broke, it was robbed and it now broke as a result. I hope the cost of those wars we got with the money was worth it.
Classic slippery slope (Score:5, Insightful)
Also, what ever happened to:
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
An idea like Mr. Christies' flies in the face of one of the things this country was supposed to be about in the first place. I know damned well that the United States I grew up believing in never really existed, but damnit, why can't we make it that? I want the Founding Fathers of this country to turn out to be right, not George Orwell!
Finally, what kind of an asshole do you have to be to come up with an idea like this? Fuck that, and fuck Christie sideways with a rusty chainsaw for even suggesting something like this.
Won't happen (Score:2)
He'll never be president, he has to many skeletons in the closet... ...of cows.
What has happened to the Republicans? (Score:4, Insightful)
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Now another Republican candidate wants to put bar codes on the people to track them.
Have the Republicans gone insane?
So, what is he suggesting. (Score:3)
We all have rfid implants, and set up scanners everywhere? Because how would you know the visitors from the residents unless you track everyone?
Even if this wasn't a giant affront to rights, how would he even expect to technically implement this?
Do republicans really go apeshit for this kind of complete fantasy bullshit? So much for "freedom 'murcia." (oh right, freedom only applies to people born here that are christians)
Deep bench? (Score:2)
Is that part of the "deep bench" from the GOP?
Do they mean by deep bench "we can replace any of our lackluster, mediocre candidates by another equally untalented, saying equally thoughtless platitudes, to the delight of the unthinking GOP base"?
Turnabout is fair play? (Score:2)
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Sounds like you've never travelled to Asia, South America or Europe... Because you only use your passport as a method of ID at hotels. A Hotel needs to know that you are the person you claim to be. I travel to a few places in SE Asia on a regular basis. They know who I am and dont bother asking for ID any more. So much so I've even got a rapport with a few customs officers at Perth. Also, I was al
Don't worry ... (Score:4, Insightful)
This is Stupid (Score:5, Informative)
Here are the top ten leading causes of death in the USA.
I looked. Homicide is 15th. Death By Terrorism isn't on this list. Overdose from drugs bought from drug dealing immigrants isn't either. Just once I wish we'd wage a war on Cancer or Drunk Driving, ya know?
Also, because it has to be said.... Maybe we can put their tracking bar code on some kind of armband? This shit is !@#$ing stupid and dangerously close to Nazi levels of moron. We have a serious politician blaming the Jews Immigrants and willing to label them. Oh. Come. On!
The Republican party invited in the stupid and completely has lost it's !@#$ing mind.
Number Six (Score:3)
> Who are you?
> The new number 2.
> Who is number 1?
> You are number 6
> I am not a number, I am a free man
I am not 1010010111101010100010111101101000101, I am a free man.
US problem is not visa attribution - US problem is same problem as everywhere else: too many people, too few jobs, too much lack of education, too many dreams and too many deceptions.
Labeling people will not only not help, but will make thinks worse.
The Nazi system labeled jews, you still recall for sure.
I read an intresting summary today (I am not sure it's accurate though), but it stated that when The Berlin Wall was torn down in 1989 there were other 16 such walls in the world (not necessarly built same way). Nowadays 65 exist, either already in place or being finished. Last one is between Hungary and Serbia, being finished. This is a border line. Not different from the border you see at any international airport.
Most migrants are not searching for The Ultimate Life, but rather seeking survival.
Labeling them is to treat them as if they were animals - or even worse! I guess I could more easily get a permit for my Dog than one of those migrants can get a Visa for entering the US.
And yes, I am somehow revolted, even with my country, due to how it refuses to receive migrants from North Africa.
Alvie
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
How about? (Score:4, Insightful)
Whenever a politician suggests something stupid like this then they have to apply it to themselves first to see how it works. Not when it passes, just when they bring the idea out in the public forum.
Be careful what you wish for (Score:3)
"Yet we let people come to this country with visas, and the minute they come in, we lose track of them." He added: "We need to have a system that tracks you from the moment you come in."
And about 3 nanoseconds later this would be used to track citizens and violate all kinds of civil rights. If we actually aspire to be a free country we have to let people go about their business especially when we have no reasons to suspect them of anything.
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I love all the European comments in this thread (Score:3)
... What is happening in the EU right now with immigrants? Hmmm? Its easy to point fingers at the US and say "well that's not good"... but then look at what's happening in your own backyard. Is that good?
Frankly, we're not going to get through our shared problems here without some political incorrectness.
REAL nations can and do hold their borders. That's what borders are in part. They're the line in the sand you hold. Now if you don't do that... then so be it. You don't have a country then.
Tattoo the number for security (Score:3)
Since stickers & ID cards can be lost, we should probably tattoo the number on the persons forearms.
Re:Unnecessary (Score:5, Insightful)
The last thing I want to see is the travesty that is asset forfeiture expanded.
Wrong people to strip (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Wrong people to strip (Score:5, Interesting)
The savings in entitlement expenses would more than compensate
[citation needed]
In fact I'll save you the trouble, people have studied this and found the exact opposite. Illegal immigrants can access few entitlements yet pay many taxes, so they are usually net contributors.
That is, if you care about the facts.
Re:Wrong people to strip (Score:5, Insightful)
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Instead, please have some carriage returns (sorry about that, you make a very compelling argument but seriously, wall of text).
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Just prosecute the ones that violate their visas and if they violated them to make money, asset strip them. How many Mexicans do you think would come here illegally if CBP or local law enforcement had an explicit grant to use civil asset forfeiture to take everything they own?
There's a minor problem with this plan. The ones who come here illegally? They don't have visas. That's what makes their coming here illegal. If they have a visa, then they came here legally.
Re:Unnecessary (Score:4, Interesting)
There's a minor problem with this plan. The ones who come here illegally? They don't have visas. That's what makes their coming here illegal. If they have a visa, then they came here legally.
You're completely missing the point. He's addressing the large number of people who legally enter (with a visa), but illegally overstay their visas, this becoming illegal immigrants. The people who illegally enter are a related, but different specific problem.
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I don't think you read the post I was replying to at all. I mean, I quoted it and everything:
prosecute the ones that violate their visas... How many Mexicans do you think would come here illegally
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Re:SJWs (Score:4, Insightful)
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If SJW are only people he doesnt like, that would be true. It is unlikely, so I am going with some people he doesnt like are SJWs.
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I think Morgan Freeman has the best approach to dealing with racism, and that is to just stop talking about it.
So, you should have shut up in first place.
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Re:SJWs (Score:4)
Funny thing is - it DID just end in all the rest of the world. Only in the United States are the descendants of slaves still reviled by a significant portion of the former slave holders.
Only a small percentage of all the slaves transported from Africa to the New World were destined for the US. Brazil got far more slaves than the US did. Brazil has no serious race problem, do they? Maybe you can point to the history of SJW's in Brazil struggling to keep the black man on the plantations? No? Didn't think so.
YES, SJW'S CONTRIBUTE TO THE PROBLEM!!
Re:SJWs (Score:5, Interesting)
Racism DID NOT end in Germany. They just stopped talking about it publicaly. Sure the law says that a business can't discriminate based on your race but they actually do. One of the students in my class went back home to India after being accepted in a masters program here in Germany since he found several landlords that told him they did not rent to people from India.
Europe is too much of a monoculture to see much outward racism but it still exists and it is pretty vile since it is not talked about. Laws against racism seem to be almost never actually enforced at least in Germany. It was just recently a German professor told an Indian male student that she did not accept male students from India because of their rape culture and her university DEFENDED her. She is facing no sanctions of any kind and other professors in Germany have stood up and said they do the same thing. That is truly evil.
The USA is having a hard time trying to deal with racism but it actually trying to deal with it and the road is going to be bumpy and violent but I think it will work out in the end and meanwhile Europe will just quietly keep it and hide it.
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So - lemme get this straight. India does indeed have a rape culture. It's pretty well documented. There are new atrocities published multiple times every year. So, a woman objects to being in proximity to a male whom she might reasonably expect to have been indoctrinated into the rape culture. That is RACISM?!?!
Sorry, you lose points in the credibility department, because you don't know the difference between racism and other forms of prejudice. Further, I'll hold that not all forms of discrimination
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"Indian" is not a race, is it? I thought it was a nationality. India encompasses multiple races, multiple religions, multiple cultures, multiple tribes and sects. India. Let me check - I could be wrong . . .
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=India+dem... [lmgtfy.com]
Try this link first, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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There are severe economic consequences of this.
Yes, there are. They are generally positive. But don't believe me. Have a look at what a conservative think tank has to say:
http://www.hoover.org/research... [hoover.org]
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The problem is that Americans think their problems are a result of immigration. The issue is nothing more than a convenient political scapegoat that populists are all but desperate to eat up as it appears to legitimize their xenophobia and present a simple, or at least theoretically attainable, goal. A goal which is a solution for nothing, but a goal none-the-less. When folks have socially unacceptable attitudes, they are easily led to believe they are part of the "real talk" truth - as if they are somehow
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The problem is illegal immigrants do not get visas, since they are illegal by definition.
You're not paying attention. The topic at hand are the people who enter the country legally with a visa, and then decide to illegally overstay their visa, becoming illegal immigrants, by definition.
Re:America has been put in a bad position. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re: Idea stolen from nazi germany (Score:2)
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I thought your title was "B5". I was thinking, "Yeah, but the crew of Babylon 5 could take their com badges off if they did not want to be tracked."