Councilman Booted For His Farmville Obsession 185
Bulgarian Dimitar Kerin won't have to decide if he should tend his crops or pay attention to Plovdiv City Council business anymore. The committee voted him off 20-19, saying that he obviously "needs more time for his virtual farm." From the article: "Kerin was not alone in his obsession among council members. Council chairman Ilko Iliev had previously warned several of them that the new wireless network and laptops provided to all 51 council members were not to be used for playing games on social media sites during budget meetings. Kerin was singled out for continuing to manage his farm and milk his cows despite Iliev's warnings. "
Too nerdy. (Score:4, Insightful)
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Seriously, what is it about this Farmville crap that turns otherwise normal people into ridiculous, obsessed nerdy dweebs? I've played WoW quite a bit, I'm really quite a nerd myself but this game looks boring as shit and it seems to drag "normal" people into it like WoW draws in nerds.
My question is: Should a poster with the moniker of 'RightSaidFred99 [wikipedia.org]' be allowed to criticize anything at all?
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Nevermind the popularity of Locke.
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At least 98, it would seem...
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Well if 98 was the year he was born and 1998 is something completely different... was he born in 1898?
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A time traveler from 2099 who is a fan of Right Said Fred? Improbable...
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Reading comprehension fail.
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If it's the Bernard Cribbens version [youtube.com], his geek credibility is intact.
If it's the dodgy pop group [youtube.com].... not so much.
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>Seriously, what is it about this Farmville crap that turns otherwise normal people into ridiculous, obsessed nerdy dweebs? I've played WoW quite a bit, I'm really quite a nerd myself but this game looks boring as shit and it seems to drag "normal" people into it like WoW draws in nerds.
*draws deep breath*
NNNNNEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRDDDDDDDDD
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These people are probably not gamers. So they probably never jumped on Harvest Moon back in the day.
So they get on Facebook to build a social network and there they are introduced to the wonderful world of virtual life simulators like Farmville and they crack out.
I personally go for Tetris. It is a total time killer and if I have to turn it off I do not have to worry about "saving my progress" or none of that jazz.
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Here I'm checking Slashdot at work.
I won't play hypocrite and blast others for what they do with their time. Everyone has their things they enjoy.
The problem with something like Farmville is that a standard web page still appears somewhat like work. I can also content that keeping up on technology news goes along with my job. Farmville is CLEARLY not work.
Farmville and games like it also need users to log back in and play the game at specific time intervals. My mother claimed she was massively bogged down w
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Games that have a specific, real-world interval that is frequently as short as a couple hours seem to easily touch off obsessive-compulsive behavior. Farmville is especially bad because of the amount of crops that have intervals in some multiple of 24 hours. Either someone is obsessive enough to log in exactly on-time (a potential indicator of a problem in and of itself), or the schedule gets bumped out by a few minutes (or more) each time. It eventually shifts enough to force those obsessive people into (w
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I play Mafia Wars. I get X energy back every few minutes. I could time that I need to hop back on and play after so long to maximize my character. However, it isn't necessary.
Farmville is another story. If your crops are ready in 2 hours, and you don't log back on, your crops perish. The game requires players to make real life sacrifices to meet deadlines.
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They ran into this problem with daily cooldowns in WoW. It gradually gets pushed back later and later since you're invariably going to be a few minutes late at times. Eventually it's a choice of go to bed or stay awake to do daily transmutes.
Luckily they realized this and changed the all the cooldowns to 23 hours. Problem solved.
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Since you've clearly never played it, and relate to games in terms of WoW, let me explain.
Imagine WoW grinding that consists of moving your mouse a tiny, minuscule fraction across the screen then clicking, then selecting from a popup menu of three options. Then repeat 20 million times. All to accompaniment of hoe-down music.
The MMPOG element consists of your friends coming over to your farm to do the same, but invisibly, cos you can't see them.
Having fun yet?
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I believe it is the time limited nature of game play. Once you have tended to your farm, there is nothing left for you to do. This builds up excitement that you will get to play again soon. That excitement keeps people coming back. If you could play FarmVille for hours on end without stopping, the novelty would quickly wear off.
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Y0u'r3 ju5+ j3a10u5 0f h+3 3133t +urn1p f4rm3r5 gu1ld! W00+!
False sense of accomplishment. (Score:3, Insightful)
I believe these sort of games provide a sense of accomplishment that many people find addictive, in spite of the fact that in reality they have accomplished nothing. It FEELS like you have accomplished something, and you feel compelled to continue on to accomplish even more.
You could say this is a hallmark of a great game. It compels the player to play more.
Re:Too nerdy. (Score:4, Interesting)
I found this piece rather informative:
5 creepy ways video games are trying to get you addicted [cracked.com]
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so did i.
so i read it again.
and i learned some more.
so i read it again. and again. and again.
but my boss walked in so i'm doing some work now. well, not now but he's used to me posting to /., so i'll be doing the work in just a minute.
i'll read it again later, when i get home.
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the attraction of a simple flash game like Bejeweled depends entirely on how badly you want to avoid doing the work you have open in the other window.
And that also explains 100% why at this moment I am posting on slashdot.
Re:Too nerdy. (Score:4, Insightful)
That's funny because there were plenty of nerds in the CS department at my school, including professors, who liked sports, collected figurines (usually Warhammer shit) and liked guns. Just because you find certain things banal and other things interesting doesn't mean that every "nerd" is going to agree.
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(usually Warhammer shit)
Heresy!
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Indeed. I have a non-nerd friend who likes guns because they go BANG and make him feel powerful.
I, however, like guns because of the ballistics and other mechanics behind it all.
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And they level the playing field.
Wow. It's like the Internet. I wonder if there was a period where basically anyone who could scrape together enough money to buy a gun could start their own business. Were the Wells Fargo money courriers the Web 2.0 bubble of their time?
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But it's banal, uninteresting shit they get obsessed over. Sports, soap operas, miniature figurines, gun collections, etc. Nerds get obsessed over things that are actually interesting because they requires some thought.
[Heads off to hide his Warhammer 40,000 and Warmachine miniatures]
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I think you misread me. Gun collections and sports are equally worthy of being obsessed over as a virtual farm, none of are particularly nerdy though. Amateur astronomy, ham radio, programming, etc. are worthy of being obsessed over too. But the technical complexity of the subjects drive away people who aren't nerds.
Everyone gets obsessed over the things that interest them. Nerds just obsess over more complex things. I hope that's a less inflammatory way of phrasing it.
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Would you disagree that Farmville is pretty banal? I don't think there's any real strategy to the game. From what I've read, there's not even any supply/demand dynamic to consider.
And yeah, I'm stereotyping. There's nothing wrong with using generalizations when we realize that's what they are. There are always exceptions, but that doesn't mean it's not worthwhile to recognize trends.
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Banal is in the eyes of the beholder. I have a co-worker who likes to play PuppyWar [puppywar.com] to blow off steam after a bad day. I don't understand why it works for him but to each their own.
You genuinely don't understand how a person might relax by looking at photos of cute animals?
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Nerds just obsess over more complex things. I hope that's a less inflammatory way of phrasing it.
But that still isn't even true. There are plenty of nerds who obsess over things you find to be simple and banal. And there are plenty of nerds who don't find what you consider to be "nerd subjects" to be all that interesting.
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He's making a generalization there will always be exceptions. Nerds tend to go for things with more depth/complexity then the average bear and it's true, he just didn't put it right unfortunately.
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Except his generalization has been more the exception for all the nerds I've ever met.
Nerds tend to go for things with more depth/complexity then the average bear and it's true
I've never seen such a thing on average being true. Almost all the nerds I've come across are into just as much banal shit as the next person. Sure there might be a few areas that they like that tend to be more complex, but it's outweighed by the other shit.
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Except his generalization has been more the exception for all the nerds I've ever met.
Nerds tend to go for things with more depth/complexity then the average bear and it's true
I've never seen such a thing on average being true. Almost all the nerds I've come across are into just as much banal shit as the next person. Sure there might be a few areas that they like that tend to be more complex, but it's outweighed by the other shit.
I think the problem here is that you're challenging the conventional definition of the word 'nerd'. Remember, 'nerd' isn't a race, religion, or nationality - it is a description. You could also say that you know nerds that are extremely popular with women, drive expensive cars, lead political parties, and enjoy reading Redbook. That's possible, but only when the word 'nerd' no longer holds any useful meaning outside of 'person'.
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Non-nerds tend to be interested in complicated things, too: politics, guns, cars, and sports (yes, it's complicated). The difference between them is the esoteric nature of the interests. Not esoteric? Normal. Esoteric? Nerd. To say otherwise is
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My simple interests include mashing a keyboard sequentially to make a little man move on a screen (WoW)
I'm not sure who decided it was cool to bash WoW in this way, but it probably doesn't fit within your category. If you're logging on to explore the world and see how far you can fall without dieing, like my eight year old likes to do, okay fine. Anything beyond that isn't exactly as 'simple' as drinking a beer, especially so at max level. Have you ever tried doing decent Feral DPS without a mod?
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Ahem, gun collections are well within the realm of nerds. Just ask ESR, or me. I have a collection and yes I keep them around to kill men, not animals. I got guns.. ooooooh be scared. <insert scooby doo ghost laugh here>
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I got guns.. ooooooh be scared. <insert scooby doo ghost laugh here>
Especially when you're off your meds or you get drunk.
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OP included WoW in his list... I am not aware that WoW requires any thought at all. Somewhat the opposite.
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Again...
I'm not sure who decided it was cool to bash WoW in this way, but it probably doesn't fit within your category. If you're logging on to explore the world and see how far you can fall without dieing, like my eight year old likes to do, okay fine. Anything beyond that isn't exactly 'simple', especially at max level. Have you ever tried doing decent Feral DPS without a mod?
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Sports, soap operas, miniature figurines, gun collections.
One of these things is not like the others,
One of these things just doesn't belong,
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?
One of these things is loved by otaku
One of them used for Warhammer games
Collect 'em, paint 'em, spend thousands of dollars
It'll clinch your geekdom-hood fame.
Did you guess which thing was not like the others?
Did you guess which thing just doesn't belong?
If you guessed this one is not like the others,
Then you're absolutely...right!
(goes back to bask i
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Using a computer on company time? (Score:5, Funny)
I'd fire anyone who uses a company computer on company time for personal reasons.
Exempting this comment posting, of course.
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I don't know about the US but here in some EU countries when you sign a contract as an employee usually you have to sign a waiver that states explicitly so , or else _said_ employer has nothing against you until they change company policy.
I had a customer that completely blocked facebook social networking sites etc through their proxy. Soon afterwards the call center was so overflooded with calls (also from high up in management) that the admins had nothing to do but to allow access.
I don't have the link on
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Yeah but then you'd lose office cred when you go out to lunch with coworkers and have to try to cover for the fact that you didn't see the Slashdot post that went up hours ago that they're all discussing!
moron (Score:2)
and now due to they cant find anything to busy their mind while answering shitty customer calls all day, their stress levels are going to slowly build up, and they will start reflecting it on the customers.
well done, you made a great contribution to the company, and the customers using it. i would like to know the name of the company so i can avoid it tho, if you please. with that mindset, its sure to screw up sooner or later.
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In Parliamentary Bulgaria... (Score:2)
Idiot! (Score:5, Funny)
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Unless he applied to the virtual government and got a virtual bailout. Then it'd be time for a promotion and a big fat virtual bonus!
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Talk about recursion!
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If he'd been playing SimCity instead,...
i am weak
Time better spent (Score:2)
On Slashdot, laughing at people who lose their job over farmville and facebook.
At least I can claim I'm keeping up to date with technology by visiting a tech web site.
Good litmus test (Score:4, Insightful)
If you can't put down the zynga long enough to take care of your real-world job, maybe you don't need one. Normally I don't relish social darwinism, but in this case it's hard to not see the appropriateness of it.
It doesn't look like the guys lost his job (Score:4, Informative)
The article notes that he was voted off of his committee. It doesn't say whether his actual seat is gone.
Oblig. (Score:2, Funny)
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Looks like he's been put out to pasture.
two news in one. (Score:3, Interesting)
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And what about the abstainer? Was he too busy playing farmville too?
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Or LinkedIn, if it's gotta be a social network.
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That government which governs best, governs least. If he's playing Farmville, he can't be doing too much to interfere with people's lives.
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That government which governs best, governs least. If he's playing Farmville, he can't be doing too much to interfere with people's lives.
So, you're a fan of government waste?
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They were trying to determine if it was worth risking planting raspberries given current traffic conditions for the afternoon commute home.
what were the thinking? (Score:2)
they were thinking "i'm next"
Re:two news in one. (Score:5, Funny)
The other 19 were thinking: "With Dimitar gone, who will fertilize my crops"?
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online version of meth addiction (Score:2)
It would appear that the tammogotchi has a thriving offspring.
And this is why I play games - not work them as a second job.
For a serious look at the sociological (Score:5, Funny)
implications of Farmville see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odBDAcOEKuI [youtube.com]
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put half of your opening sentence in your subject line. God, I hate people who do that.
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I Want Him For My Councilman (Score:4, Interesting)
I want them to do at least 80% less than they do, so if they waste a bunch of time on online games, that's okay with me.
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I've considered throwing a brick through the front glass on city hall ... < snip >... spending ridiculous amounts of money on stupid, wasteful things.
Like new windows? Maybe you'd be better off just leaving a playstation on their doorstep.
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. . . spending ridiculous amounts of money on stupid, wasteful things . . .
The subtle point here is that they are spending your money.
If your local government's members were required to fund a portion of their projects with some of their own money . . . they would decide real fast that the city does not need a monorail and a special economic free trade high tech park for breeding rabbits.
Getting back on topic . . . if this guy is forced to stop playing Farmville . . . maybe he might decide that the City of Plovdiv needs it's it own farm!
He has learned from the game that farming
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I strongly suspect that the pork in Farmville is cheaper than the pork from the Council.
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New to Farmville (Score:2)
I just rescued an unemployed council member! Please help me by sending me a were-pig or pork knight to entertain him.
51 council members??? (Score:2, Insightful)
Holy crap! I've been in meetings with 20 people that take forever and are drawn out simply because too many people need to hear their own voice. I don't blame this guy for zoning out. 51 isn't a council, that's a legislature.
You people forgot to cite another of his defenses (Score:4, Funny)
he said "Im just level 40. there are councillors who are level 45. why is noone talking about them"
Wait. What?? (Score:3, Interesting)
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http://www.plovdivcity.net/plovdiv_information.html [plovdivcity.net]