Which camera development is most worrisome?
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Solution (Score:4, Insightful)
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All they want is to identify the terrorists: Allah and Jihad are the only words the system needs to know.
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Germans found that out in world war 2 and used it. Apparently, no matter how good you get in a language you use different lip technique from the native speakers. As a result a professional lip reader (or a deaf person trained to lip read) will pick you out right away.
Back on the British topic. Just looking at the 7/7 and 21/7 bombers you have more than 4 different ethnic origins - Somali, Jamaican, Ethiopian and various different tribes originally from Pakistan. Each of these will be using a non-standard lip technique. While it may be possible to get some relatively low reading rate by a professional who has unlimited time to look at the tape, a real-time automated system will fail miserably right away. The only ones it will pick out will be Caucasian whites of English origin (I suspect it will fail on Scots and Welsh) who for some unbeknown to us reason have decided to discuss 7/7 instead of Chelsea vs Arsenal (that will probably be 1-2 people in the whole country anyway).
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Bigger library, slightly more complex... but would still work.
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Better Solution (Score:5, Funny)
Train yourself to talk like out-of-synch karate movies...
Re:Better Solution (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Solution (Score:4, Funny)
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Actually Klingon! (Score:2)
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Oh, yeah, the CS geeks who implemented this system would never have stayed up all night to add Klingon recognition.
Evil Ventriloquist Masterminds (Score:3, Funny)
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A good low tech option in my mind would be to vote the dumbasses out of power that think this is a good idea.
Unfortunately, many of us see these particular dumbasses as muscling in on the rival dumbasses' territory -- any likely alternative is probably going to be just as bad or worse. Yes, there are minority parties I can vote for, but there are enough people who reckon that if you're doing nothing wrong there's nothing to fear [1] that those parties don't have much chance. As somebody said a couple of elections ago, we're faced with a choice of being forced to eat s*** and being forced to eat s*** with razor-
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Look at the bright side, everyone in the UK might soon start talking like they're in a poorly-dubbed Kung-Fu movie. That always cracks me up.
Seriously though, these camera developments are getting scarier by the hour. People, it just isn't worth it. No amount of security is worth that kind of BS.
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Its instances like that which make such advanced CCTV cameras popular with the mainstream UK public. Polls asking the average person on the street in the UK consistently reveal wide spread support for advanced CCTV cameras.
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They are se
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This will all work fine (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:This will all work fine (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:This will all work fine (Score:5, Insightful)
And that really freaked me out.
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Hell I'm willing to give the people who want to implement the benefit of the doubt, but not the next people who will be in charge.
Get involved.
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Hell I'm willing to give the people who want to implement the benefit of the doubt, but not the next people who will be in charge.
Get involved.
I am sooo cynical with your everyday people these days.
Most folks think everyone who's arrested is guilty.
Everyone accused of being a terrorist is a terrorist.
If you don't do anything wrong, then you have nothing to worry about.
Law enforcement doesn't make mistakes.
I'm sure more can be added...
But my point is, those of us who question
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just like our premier league footballers are doing now to avoid their coaches orders being lifted by the opposition during a match...
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So How long until it becomes ILLEGAL to cover your mouth or try and talk without showing your lips?
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face.
This also applies to People wearing hats in public bars [bbc.co.uk], even if they are pensioners.
It's also illegal to organise a protest in London without first gaining permission from the police first (The SOCPA Act).
Already one man has been arrested for dressing up as Charlie Chaplin and making a silent protest using signs such as "not aloud" and "right to remain silent" [londonist.com]. Another woman was arrested for baking a cake with a statement made using icing.
The incompe
Ventriloquism (Score:2)
So, they're outlawing ventriloquism? They're criminalising Orville [wikipedia.org]?
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That's where my patented hand-penetrating radar comes into play.
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lip-read a speaker? (Score:3, Insightful)
And as soon as that is possible, I'd like to license the technology for a venture of my own, involving about 40 lbs of latex and a metal skeleton. It'll be the best prom evar!11!
Sounds vaguely familiar (Score:4, Funny)
obvious (Score:5, Funny)
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some one has to say it (Score:4, Funny)
Mod Parent Up! (Score:2)
Countermeasure (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Countermeasure (Score:5, Funny)
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Protest... (Score:2)
"I just got this new 400mm lens and I'm going to take some pictures of Big Ben, and then a few close-ups of parliament, and then this afternoon I'm going to shoot the Queen."
or
"I'm glad Parliament has a visitor's gallery, I'm going to plant my bum there at 10:00, and then go off in time for lunch."
Written constitution and bill of rights. (Score:2, Insightful)
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I don't know what the solution is anymore.
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But don't let the obvious prevent you from insulting me. If it makes you feel better then go ahead and do it to your heart's content.
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No. He's asserting that the Constitution does not prevent Congress from passing laws that violate it, which is true -- just as establishing a curfew for your kids doesn't prevent them from staying out late. Congress, like a kid, will break the rules. It's up to the Court to decide if curfew has been broken. It's up to voters to punish Congress.
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Worsened by the complexity and scope of those laws -- riders, ridiculous clauses, etc.
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I think we've all learned not to believe the words of politicians.
Not conspiracy theory. Just the theory that our Congresspeople's primary motivation is to do what is best for themselves or their party, not what is best for the nation. Conspiracy implies planned and organized deceit; I'm not sure it doesn't accidentally arise ov
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While Congress may well have a duty to stay inside particular bounds they often overstep them in practice. The Executive branch does as well, in the event you haven't read any Slashdot articles on anything bad happening at all and noticed that sooner or later someone will blame Bush.
And higher level Federal
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While I agree that the UK fares worse than the US in these regards, that still does not mean that there is a vast "conspiracy" afoot in the US. However, it is clear that, slowly but surely, personal liberty is gradually being suppressed in favor of security in the US. While the parent may be a tinfoil-hatter, that doesn't make his point invalid. The patriot act, guantanamo bay, warrantless wiretapping, etc. could all be called unconstitutional. So, while an unwritten constitution provides less protection th
hattery (Score:2, Funny)
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On the other hand if its due to stupidity, ign
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As for conspiracies, I believe in small scale short term greed and stupidity causing large scale long term effects (when combined that is). I don't disagree with behind the scenes actions or anything like that but the person I r
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If you've paid attention you'd have noticed that I don't support these systems but rather simply find most conspiracies silly in general. I find it stupid to attribute things to massive complex conspiracies when simpler answers exist. Likewise I find it even more stupid to attribute it to a cause that cannot be fought (such a conspiracy would by definition be intelligent enough to stop any counter-effort) when other causes imho much more plausible causes
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Re:Written constitution and bill of rights. (Score:5, Insightful)
the bounds set for it (by said Constitution) the only choice is for "We The People" to put it back in those bounds, or destroy it.
Revolution Calling? Yeah, you could say that... But we haven't reached a critical mass yet, where enough people *care* about what's happening to do anything about it.
Missing Option (Score:2)
Not in Soviet Russia (Score:2)
In Soviet Russia, radios listened to people and people got pissed off. In UK, they would just roll over and do nothing. Sad but true from recent examples.
Now time for that popular new hit (Score:5, Funny)
Market Prediction (Score:2, Insightful)
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Please Run Vista (Score:4, Funny)
This mission is too important (Score:2)
Finally!! (Score:2)
Be very afraid (Score:3, Insightful)
The odds against it being used in court (or worse, being used to "detain" someone) are just about even.
That means some poor schmuck will end up sitting in a detention cell for a decade or so because he shouted for something and the lipreaders thought he said 'bomb'.
The algorithms must be state of the art (Score:2, Funny)
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I cannot believe... (Score:2)
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East London... (Score:2)
News.. (Score:2)
What is the motivation for all this? (Score:2)
Re:What is the motivation for all this? (Score:4, Insightful)
The bad thing is (Score:5, Funny)
Free Speech (Score:5, Insightful)
Think if you've ever complained about the police when talking when a friend, now think if you'd still complaining as loudly if a police officer was within earshot.
This doesn't even have to work, a lot of people walking down the street are still going to feel nervous saying bad things about Big Brother if they feel Big Brother is actually listening.
It's all about funding (Score:4, Insightful)
Here we don't have big slush funds. (The Govt. can endlessly waste public money on hopeless IT projects, but that's different.) So University lecturers, especially ones from not terribly good universities (have you ever been to Norwich? Don't.), have to try and invent other ways to get funding. Since the Govt. is obsessed with finding terrorists before they manage to get the gunpowder under Parliament again, one way to get funding for a visual recognition project is to suggest it can be used for lipreading terrorists in shopping centres. Of course it won't work, but hopefully by then the guy will have written a few papers and moved a bit up the academic pecking order. And good luck to him. British Government policy with universities basically involves being nice to Oxford, Cambridge, Imperial and UCL and stuff the rest. (No, I'm not bitter. My family has degress from 3 of the 4. But I do recognise that it's not a good or fair system)
Missing option: gait detection (Score:2)
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It's a scam (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:It's a scam (Score:5, Insightful)
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I know someone who is deaf and who is a Japanese/American linguistics student. They say that many languages are impossible to lip-read, including Japanese.
And by 'impossible' they do mean 'not possible', as in there is no way to tell from the movements of the mouth what the person is saying.
Huge Financial Investment (Score:2)
So how will this work? (Score:2)
My money would be on the latter
In other news : British Government to set up - (Score:2)
Talking cameras (Score:4, Funny)
Man, Many Big Problems (Score:2)
Expectation of privacy (Score:3, Interesting)
Either that, or talk about incredibly private things that are virtually guaranteed to make whatever poor schlub is reading the transcripts incredibly uncomfortable. Or say things that are so unbelievably suspicious that they'll have no choice to investigate, and when it turns out to be complete fabrication remind them it was their ill-conceived idea to read your lips in the first place.
does it matter (Score:2)
If the systems doesn't work, then does it really matter?
one word (Score:2)
It'll be the new thing. All those kids that got their asses kicked in grade school will now be heros.
Infowar == kookery (Score:5, Informative)
Please, why are you linking to kooks like Infowar? Here is the original article [elecdesign.com], which they conveniently don't link to. Compare and contrast. Infowar:
Of course, the lip reading technology isn't even in existence yet, let alone any kind of government plan to use it or secret police squad. From the original article:
It's just hype to promote a new research project. Infowar seeks out anything that can possibly be used for bad purposes, and spins it out of all recognition. It's a site run by a paranoid kook, not a legitimate news source.
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Re:Would this work? (Score:4, Insightful)
Mods on crack? (Score:2)
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I'm really curious as to how this would work with people who spoke less than perfect English
You mean Muslim Terrorists (the ones not wearing The Veil) and Illegal Immigrants?
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