Unions do have a place and need in certain industries... it's just that tech isn't one of them. Anyone sufficiently competent in the tech industry can improve him/herself and get a better income over time - far faster than the typical Union could ever get you. There is a sufficient amount of work to be had out there for those who know what they're doing and can prove it... I think that only a brief 2-3 year period during the dot-bust was the main exception, in a field that has technica
Unions do have a place and need in certain industries... it's just that tech isn't one of them.
Tech is special, because we're tech workers and we're special.
Tech jobs are being outsourced faster than shit through a goose. Working conditions are suffering, job satisfaction is suffering, their work week is getting longer, pay is lagging, and we don't need to organize, dammit! Because we're special.
So you'd rather have US technology sector look like Detroit. Union jobs ensure that the union bosses live well and the workers still get screwed as the jobs move overseas anyways. Only difference is the risk of taking the entire company down to foreign competition instead of individual roles within the company because the company gets locked-in to whatever staffing model existed when times were good.
If your job can be done cheaper elsewhere, it will be. It's only a matter of time, and protectionism and unio
So you'd rather have US technology sector look like Detroit.
No, I'd rather have US workers in a system more like Germany's. a country of 80 million people that exports about as much as the United States w/ 350 million.
Don't let right-wing media delude you regarding organized labor. It's the main reason workers anywhere have a decent standard of living.
That's a bit misleading. German trade to Austria and Denmark is export. Microsoft sales from Washington to California are domestic. Germany is exporting so much *because* it's smaller !
That said, German labor relations are a lot healthier than most. Not a European thing, though: French unions are even worse than US unions, and don't shun violence. Ask Air France; strikers (with union backing) physically attacked managers.
Germany consumes its nation in high-speed hamster wheels. Women are consumed in offices and factories; have no time to raise kids. Germans are now replaced by 1 million Arabs just this year.
Similarly, Japan and Korea transform their flesh into massive amounts of consumer goods. In 100 years, there will be neither Germany, nor Korea nor Japan.
Another gem, in the place I live the auto factor workers earn more than the supporting software engineers. It's a shitplace and the smart people move somewhere else. I
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Corporate shills claiming victory and deriding unions as evil in 3.. 2..
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Actually, it's a wash.
Unions do have a place and need in certain industries... it's just that tech isn't one of them. Anyone sufficiently competent in the tech industry can improve him/herself and get a better income over time - far faster than the typical Union could ever get you. There is a sufficient amount of work to be had out there for those who know what they're doing and can prove it... I think that only a brief 2-3 year period during the dot-bust was the main exception, in a field that has technica
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Tech is special, because we're tech workers and we're special.
Tech jobs are being outsourced faster than shit through a goose. Working conditions are suffering, job satisfaction is suffering, their work week is getting longer, pay is lagging, and we don't need to organize, dammit! Because we're special.
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So you'd rather have US technology sector look like Detroit. Union jobs ensure that the union bosses live well and the workers still get screwed as the jobs move overseas anyways. Only difference is the risk of taking the entire company down to foreign competition instead of individual roles within the company because the company gets locked-in to whatever staffing model existed when times were good.
If your job can be done cheaper elsewhere, it will be. It's only a matter of time, and protectionism and unio
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No, I'd rather have US workers in a system more like Germany's. a country of 80 million people that exports about as much as the United States w/ 350 million.
Don't let right-wing media delude you regarding organized labor. It's the main reason workers anywhere have a decent standard of living.
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That's a bit misleading. German trade to Austria and Denmark is export. Microsoft sales from Washington to California are domestic. Germany is exporting so much *because* it's smaller !
That said, German labor relations are a lot healthier than most. Not a European thing, though: French unions are even worse than US unions, and don't shun violence. Ask Air France; strikers (with union backing) physically attacked managers.
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And the US's exports are from an entire continent-sized country, not just a relatively-small country the size of Germany...
Wirklich ? (Score:0)
Germany consumes its nation in high-speed hamster wheels. Women are consumed in offices and factories; have no time to raise kids. Germans are now replaced by 1 million Arabs just this year.
Similarly, Japan and Korea transform their flesh into massive amounts of consumer goods. In 100 years, there will be neither Germany, nor Korea nor Japan.
Another gem, in the place I live the auto factor workers earn more than the supporting software engineers. It's a shitplace and the smart people move somewhere else. I