Unions do have a place and need in certain industries... it's just that tech isn't one of them. Anyone sufficiently competent in the tech industry can improve him/herself and get a better income over time - far faster than the typical Union could ever get you. There is a sufficient amount of work to be had out there for those who know what they're doing and can prove it... I think that only a brief 2-3 year period during the dot-bust was the main exception, in a field that has technica
People like you keep saying that, yet I'm not seeing it. I know a lot of people who work in tech and none have had their compensation increase dramatically in the last 15 years.
Well if by "sufficiently competent" you mean people who do their day job and spend a lot of their personal time learning modern skills like mobile app development, web development, and the like.. I know some of those. Admittedly, some sit on their duffs and go through the motions but I know a lot of go-getters but they're not finding anything.
People like you keep saying that, yet I'm not seeing it. I know a lot of people who work in tech and none have had their compensation increase dramatically in the last 15 years.
Seriously?
The current average salary at Google is $115K/yr. At Amazon it's $102K/yr. At nVidia it's $104K/yr.
Those are NOT bad salaries, and most of the big IT shops pay in that range. That puts IT workers in the upper percentages for the US population. And you are complaining about this? Especially it is common for IT workers to marry other IT workers, so it's frequent to have a two-income family pulling down close to $250K/yr in IT.
STEM salaries beats union salaries on average (yes, there are excepti
The current average salary at Google is $115K/yr. At Amazon it's $102K/yr. At nVidia it's $104K/yr.
Lol. If you look at COL of where you'd have to live, those numbers actually are solidly lower class (if you can't afford a house with a yard you're one of the pov's) and getting worse. Wages are flat while costs are skyrocketing. You'd need at least $250k to maintain a halfway decent standard of living in the bay area these days. If I wanted to go back to living like a pauper in junkietown with several roomma
Yeah. I earn good money, have a very comfortable lifestyle, and am planning a very nice retirement. My earnings in real dollars haven't gone up in at least fifteen years, despite working to get new and relevant skills. These are not contradictory statements.
I've never worked in a place where they told you where the 'new ideas' go. In fact in the places I have worked the job is very narrowly defined and people are discouraged from thinking outside of it. I've come up with some good ideas in the past and have been just told to 'do my job'. It's not like I was being told that because it was a bad idea, the reasons have always been something like, "well then we have to support it".
I've known a few people with 'good ideas'. I threatened one of them in comments that if they ever checked in another 'good idea' I'd break all their fingers (and toes, so they couldn't code with their feet).
'Then we have to support it' sounds like someone trying to tell you nicely that you have a very very bad idea.
It's hard to retort without going into specifics that I shouldn't go into. Let's just say that I have recent independent proof that the ideas were quite viable. I think more the issue is, in a large corporations you end up with managers that don't see the big picture. If you have a big idea it quite easily goes over their heads. Because your idea may not be quite in line with what your group does, you can be seen as a threat or a nuisance. A lot of managers really just want people who will be one hundr
The only place which will financially reward great ideas is your own company, complete with your products, your sales guys and your customers. You customer relationships.
In a big corporation, they are generally ignoramuses and in the small businesses they are not much better.
Bite the bullet and sell a product of your own. It is not easy, but the only way to monetize your ingenuity.
Even worse, in some places you will make secret enemies by doing innovative things. Along the lines of "this evil guy made sally, jack and celina redundant by writing those wicked automation shell scripts. Put the knife in the back of this sorcerer !!!"
Too many technical people are Very Naive Indeed. This is a world of snakes.
In fact in the places I have worked the job is very narrowly defined and people are discouraged from thinking outside of it.
Stop working in corporate IT; it's a support function, just like HR, maintenance, and administrative staff. As a profession, that's not where the money is (with few exceptions).
Software products and services is where you want to be.
COMPASS [for the CDC-6000 series] is the sort of assembler one expects from
a corporation whose president codes in octal.
-- J.N. Gray
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Corporate shills claiming victory and deriding unions as evil in 3.. 2..
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Actually, it's a wash.
Unions do have a place and need in certain industries... it's just that tech isn't one of them. Anyone sufficiently competent in the tech industry can improve him/herself and get a better income over time - far faster than the typical Union could ever get you. There is a sufficient amount of work to be had out there for those who know what they're doing and can prove it... I think that only a brief 2-3 year period during the dot-bust was the main exception, in a field that has technica
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People like you keep saying that, yet I'm not seeing it. I know a lot of people who work in tech and none have had their compensation increase dramatically in the last 15 years.
Seriously?
The current average salary at Google is $115K/yr. At Amazon it's $102K/yr. At nVidia it's $104K/yr.
Those are NOT bad salaries, and most of the big IT shops pay in that range. That puts IT workers in the upper percentages for the US population. And you are complaining about this? Especially it is common for IT workers to marry other IT workers, so it's frequent to have a two-income family pulling down close to $250K/yr in IT.
STEM salaries beats union salaries on average (yes, there are excepti
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The current average salary at Google is $115K/yr. At Amazon it's $102K/yr. At nVidia it's $104K/yr.
Now factor out the janitors and give us the real numbers, because you can easily make $130k pushing badly written PHP right now.
If you're a poor starving techie, I got news for you son, people hire the competent, and clearly you ain't one.
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Lol. If you look at COL of where you'd have to live, those numbers actually are solidly lower class (if you can't afford a house with a yard you're one of the pov's) and getting worse. Wages are flat while costs are skyrocketing. You'd need at least $250k to maintain a halfway decent standard of living in the bay area these days. If I wanted to go back to living like a pauper in junkietown with several roomma
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Since when is Amazon in the Bay Area?
You can definitely afford "a house with a yard" on $102k/yr in Puget Sound these days.
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Yeah. I earn good money, have a very comfortable lifestyle, and am planning a very nice retirement. My earnings in real dollars haven't gone up in at least fifteen years, despite working to get new and relevant skills. These are not contradictory statements.
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15 years ago I made around 40% of what I make now in IT.
I got a degree, came up with patent-able ideas, and made value for my company.
In return, I have been compensated.
Seems a fair deal.
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What makes you think they were 'good ideas'?
I've known a few people with 'good ideas'. I threatened one of them in comments that if they ever checked in another 'good idea' I'd break all their fingers (and toes, so they couldn't code with their feet).
'Then we have to support it' sounds like someone trying to tell you nicely that you have a very very bad idea.
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The only place which will financially reward great ideas is your own company, complete with your products, your sales guys and your customers. You customer relationships.
In a big corporation, they are generally ignoramuses and in the small businesses they are not much better.
Bite the bullet and sell a product of your own. It is not easy, but the only way to monetize your ingenuity.
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Even worse, in some places you will make secret enemies by doing innovative things. Along the lines of "this evil guy made sally, jack and celina redundant by writing those wicked automation shell scripts. Put the knife in the back of this sorcerer !!!"
Too many technical people are Very Naive Indeed. This is a world of snakes.
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In fact in the places I have worked the job is very narrowly defined and people are discouraged from thinking outside of it.
Stop working in corporate IT; it's a support function, just like HR, maintenance, and administrative staff. As a profession, that's not where the money is (with few exceptions).
Software products and services is where you want to be.