How exactly did Trump incite violence? He condemned the insurgents. He said today that killing cops should result in the death penalty. How exactly is he inciting violence?
He called for the violence. He celebrated the violence. To the people who perpetrated the violence, he told them 'I love you.'
He is the cause of the violence, and continues to call for more violence.
He uses the word "fight" 23 times during the 1 1/4 hour rambling speech. This is what he says towards the end:
“Something’s wrong here. Something’s really wrong. Can’t have happened.” And we fight. We fight like Hell and if you don’t fight like Hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore....
So we’re going to, we’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue, I love Pennsylvania Avenue, and we’r
there's been chatter in right wing forums for months now about violent uprisings. Trump knows this, his Secret Service and intelligence details would have told him. Instead of conceding the election he lost he continued to make thinly veiled threats.
Again, context matters, and from that context we can easily infer Trump & the GOP meant for there to be violence. The GOP is hoping to use the violence to oust Trump from control of the party. Trump was hoping to keep his base engaged and donating money and, quite possibly, to get an opportunity to declare martial law.
The Capital Building was occupied by violent extremists. The extent of what that means hasn't fully sunk in. After all, It Can't Happen Here.
How do you know that this chatter did not originate from US intelligence agencies? You know that as of 2012 it's legal for the US govt to spread propaganda to US citizens, yes?
It is happening here. Biden is the main author of Patriot 1 (they reused a lot of a bill from 1994) and he is now calling the demonstrators terrorists. You'll have patriot 2 soon. With your enthusiastic support.
We might. And that's unfortunate. Our Democracy suffered a dark day. The Republican traitors have taken away a big part of our freedom. We used to be able to vote for president, have the states and courts adjudicate the results, and then peacefully transfer power even if we don't like those results. That's is now gone. And we now have the choice to preserve our individual freedoms or the value of our vote. Many people will choose the value of their vote under the premise that it can be used to cure i
Biden is calling them terrorists because that's what they are. They used violence and threats of violence to accomplish a political goal including (but by no means a complete list):
- Breaking into a Federal building where the Vice President and full Congress were meeting - Chanting "Hang Mike Pence" - Constructing a noose and gallows - Multiple people had bunches of zip cuffs of the sort used by police when they have to arrest multiple people - Planted bombs - Brought guns and weapons into the Federal building
If a group of Muslims from the Middle East did this while chanting "Jihad", we'd be (rightfully) calling it a terrorist attack. Just because the perpetrators were white Americans doesn't mean it's not terrorism. It just makes it domestic terrorism.
Full stop. They came with weapons to halt election proceedings. Several of them came with heavy zip ties to take hostages. The "protests" were way, way more violent than Fox News and OAN are showing you. Step outside your media bubble. Start with that video of the cop being beaten to death with the American flag. Hell, start by reading that sentence two or three more times until it bloody well sinks in.
And what is my media bubble then? fox news? I have said so before on here, I'm much closer to leftish people like Glenn Greenwald and Matt Taibbi.
This is a crisis situation. A lot of stupid decisions are taken at such moments. And slapping a name on it which carries the load of the last two decades of an extremely aggressive foreign and domestic policy is the most stupid reaction you can have. You want terrorism? Make sure all those Trump supporters have the feeling that all their roads of action have been c
Several of them came with heavy zip ties to take hostages.
I notice your mind immediately leaps to violent thoughts. Is that the only thing zips are useful for that you can come up with? Not, say, zip tying a flag to a gutter or such?
Those zips were weird in any case. They're a cop thing. Part of what makes the riots worrying is there is a lot of sympathy in services with arms. Police, armed forces, even CIA funnily enough.
there's been chatter in right wing forums for months now about violent uprisings. Trump knows this, his Secret Service and intelligence details would have told him.
They would have told him if he attended any security briefings. Which I doubt he did. Or looked up from his phone long enough to pay attention.
They were muttering about violent uprisings? You mean the ones made while there were multiple violent uprisings going on? The one supported by Pelosi, AOC, and covered for by all the corporate media? Those mutterings?
Actually there isn't many are ex military that have seen violence like me and never want to see war again. Nancy and Trump need to both go, they both act like ex lovers. I mean , Nancy calling about Nuclear Launch Codes, that is some crazy ex-wife kinda shit.
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He uses the word "fight" 23 times during the 1 1/4 hour rambling speech. This is what he says towards the end:
“Something’s wrong here. Something’s really wrong. Can’t have happened.” And we fight. We fight like Hell and if you don’t fight like Hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore. ...
So we’re going to, we’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue, I love Pennsylvania Avenue, and we’r
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Context matters (Score:4, Insightful)
Again, context matters, and from that context we can easily infer Trump & the GOP meant for there to be violence. The GOP is hoping to use the violence to oust Trump from control of the party. Trump was hoping to keep his base engaged and donating money and, quite possibly, to get an opportunity to declare martial law.
The Capital Building was occupied by violent extremists. The extent of what that means hasn't fully sunk in. After all, It Can't Happen Here.
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Get real. If you're sitting on a toilet it's occupied. Can't you read the sign on the door!
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It is happening here. Biden is the main author of Patriot 1 (they reused a lot of a bill from 1994) and he is now calling the demonstrators terrorists. You'll have patriot 2 soon. With your enthusiastic support.
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Biden is calling them terrorists because that's what they are. They used violence and threats of violence to accomplish a political goal including (but by no means a complete list):
- Breaking into a Federal building where the Vice President and full Congress were meeting
- Chanting "Hang Mike Pence"
- Constructing a noose and gallows
- Multiple people had bunches of zip cuffs of the sort used by police when they have to arrest multiple people
- Planted bombs
- Brought guns and weapons into the Federal building
If a group of Muslims from the Middle East did this while chanting "Jihad", we'd be (rightfully) calling it a terrorist attack. Just because the perpetrators were white Americans doesn't mean it's not terrorism. It just makes it domestic terrorism.
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Or maybe that some people did some thing.
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What if they were burning buildings and looting stores while chanting "Black Lives Matter"?
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And what is my media bubble then? fox news? I have said so before on here, I'm much closer to leftish people like Glenn Greenwald and Matt Taibbi.
This is a crisis situation. A lot of stupid decisions are taken at such moments. And slapping a name on it which carries the load of the last two decades of an extremely aggressive foreign and domestic policy is the most stupid reaction you can have.
You want terrorism? Make sure all those Trump supporters have the feeling that all their roads of action have been c
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I notice your mind immediately leaps to violent thoughts. Is that the only thing zips are useful for that you can come up with? Not, say, zip tying a flag to a gutter or such?
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Those zips were weird in any case. They're a cop thing. Part of what makes the riots worrying is there is a lot of sympathy in services with arms. Police, armed forces, even CIA funnily enough.
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there's been chatter in right wing forums for months now about violent uprisings. Trump knows this, his Secret Service and intelligence details would have told him.
They would have told him if he attended any security briefings. Which I doubt he did. Or looked up from his phone long enough to pay attention.
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They were muttering about violent uprisings? You mean the ones made while there were multiple violent uprisings going on? The one supported by Pelosi, AOC, and covered for by all the corporate media? Those mutterings?
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