The Stranger has learned that last month the $37-billion Redmond-based software behemoth quietly withdrew its support for House bill 1515, the anti-gay-discrimination bill currently under consideration by the Washington State legislature, after being pressured by the Evangelical Christian pastor of a suburban megachurch.
You mean it's that easy? I got an idea...Let's all march on Redmond and threaten to boycott Microsoft...unless they fix all of these unnecessary s
Maybe. Just Maybe. The pastor was heard and M$ decided he made a good point.
I don't know the guy. So I can't say how bad he is. But you certainly sound very negative.
There is no national gay agenda. I'm sure we could find gay people on both sides of the issue. Are we so desperate to split up our society into little small pieces to fight one another? Does it have to be the bible-crusaders against human rights for gays? I would imagine there are a lot of bible-thumpers who would never hurt another human bei
I would imagine there are a lot of bible-thumpers who would never hurt another human being, gay or not. And until told otherwise, I'd assume this pastor is one of them.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but here's a quote from the good Pastor, during the Senate Hearing on HB1515, on March 22nd:
"Homosexuals have never been considered one-fifth of a human being,"
(He then went on to say that homosexuals want to molest young boys.)
Sorry, but with that sort of intolerance, this man has no right to call him
why don't real christians band together and have fuckers like him excommunicated and arrested?
I suspect it's because more people that call themselves "christian" agree with him than you think they do.
In my mind, just being a christian is endorsement of this guy and Fred Phelps and George W. Bush and all of the other fundamentalist cocksuckers out there that want to throw out the constitution and replace it with the bible.
While I am not Christian myself, I think I find the statement: In my mind, just being a christian is endorsement of this guy: wholly offensive. Just because there are a bunch of rotten apples in the position of power/leadership in the Christian community does not mean the entire community (or the faith) is bad.
For your convenience, I am Jewish.
Other then that, a good lynchin of bastards who want to take away the rights of others because they are different (and pose no real threat to anyone else) wou
But then why do no mainstream christian groups ever take action against people like this? Kick him out of the church, make sure that his voice is never heard again? It's not like that can't be done. Look at how atheists are treated.
If christians really thought this guy was wrong this story wouldn't even exist. They all agree with him, whether they know it or not.
It is impossible to "kick him out" of the Christian church, because there is no central authority to define who is or who is not part of the church. If he believes in the trinity, he's a Christian. In fact, even if he doesn't believe this, he can still call himself a Christian because there's nobody to stop him (nobody owns a trademark on the name).
What can happen, however, is that he can be kicked out of one specific Christian organization. For example, it is possible for someone to be kicked out of th
People often talk about "Christians" as if they were all of one mind. That's as silly as saying "all Americans believe this" or "all black people think that". People interpret the bible and the teachings of respected elders differently, so it is very common for people who all believe they are following the teachings of Christ to have very different opinions on some matters. This is one of those matters. Then stop placing yourself in the same group as this guy. Stop calling yourself Christian. Call yourself Anglican, or a follower of Christ, but do everything you can to distance yourself from these types of people.
Unless you really agree with him and merely find his methods distasteful?
Guilt by Association [nizkor.org]. "Guilt by Association is a fallacy in which a person rejects a claim simply because it is pointed out that people she dislikes accept the claim."
I would say your equating one's declaration of themselves as a Christian as being supportive of this pastor's ideas falls right into this fallacy.
You said: In my mind, just being a christian is endorsement of this guy and Fred Phelps and George W. Bush and all of the other fundamentalist cocksuckers out there that want to throw out the constitution and replace it with the bible.
Sure sounds like you're applying the guilt of evil to me.
BTW, if you would bother to look you'd find both of your references are from the same source, WordNet.
Stop putting undue pressure on him. christians don't organize their thoughts, the hebrews and early christians did that for them 4000 years ago and 2000 years ago, respectively.
Then stop placing yourself in the same group as this guy. Stop calling yourself Christian. Call yourself Anglican, or a follower of Christ, but do everything you can to distance yourself from these types of people.
I will certainly not.
Consider this: You can ask two people of a particular political leaning [republical|democrat|etc] their views on a subject and get different answers... that does not mean either one should stop saying they are aligned with that political group [republican|democrat|etc].
Als
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What does he have on you, Bill? (Score:4, Interesting)
You mean it's that easy? I got an idea...Let's all march on Redmond and threaten to boycott Microsoft...unless they fix all of these unnecessary s
Re:What does he have on you, Bill? (Score:1, Insightful)
I don't know the guy. So I can't say how bad he is. But you certainly sound very negative.
There is no national gay agenda. I'm sure we could find gay people on both sides of the issue. Are we so desperate to split up our society into little small pieces to fight one another? Does it have to be the bible-crusaders against human rights for gays? I would imagine there are a lot of bible-thumpers who would never hurt another human bei
Quote from Pastor Ken Hutcherson (Score:5, Informative)
Sorry to burst your bubble, but here's a quote from the good Pastor, during the Senate Hearing on HB1515, on March 22nd:
(He then went on to say that homosexuals want to molest young boys.)
Sorry, but with that sort of intolerance, this man has no right to call him
Re:Quote from Pastor Ken Hutcherson (Score:2, Insightful)
I suspect it's because more people that call themselves "christian" agree with him than you think they do.
In my mind, just being a christian is endorsement of this guy and Fred Phelps and George W. Bush and all of the other fundamentalist cocksuckers out there that want to throw out the constitution and replace it with the bible.
Re:Quote from Pastor Ken Hutcherson (Score:5, Insightful)
For your convenience, I am Jewish.
Other then that, a good lynchin of bastards who want to take away the rights of others because they are different (and pose no real threat to anyone else) wou
Re:Quote from Pastor Ken Hutcherson (Score:2)
But then why do no mainstream christian groups ever take action against people like this? Kick him out of the church, make sure that his voice is never heard again? It's not like that can't be done. Look at how atheists are treated.
If christians really thought this guy was wrong this story wouldn't even exist. They all agree with him, whether they know it or not.
Re:Quote from Pastor Ken Hutcherson (Score:1)
What can happen, however, is that he can be kicked out of one specific Christian organization. For example, it is possible for someone to be kicked out of th
Re:Quote from Pastor Ken Hutcherson (Score:1, Flamebait)
Then stop placing yourself in the same group as this guy. Stop calling yourself Christian. Call yourself Anglican, or a follower of Christ, but do everything you can to distance yourself from these types of people.
Unless you really agree with him and merely find his methods distasteful?
Re:Quote from Pastor Ken Hutcherson (Score:0)
Re:Quote from Pastor Ken Hutcherson (Score:2)
Re:Quote from Pastor Ken Hutcherson (Score:0)
Guilt by Association [nizkor.org]. "Guilt by Association is a fallacy in which a person rejects a claim simply because it is pointed out that people she dislikes accept the claim."
I would say your equating one's declaration of themselves as a Christian as being supportive of this pastor's ideas falls right into this fallacy.
Re:Quote from Pastor Ken Hutcherson (Score:2)
It would help if you were to quote a correct definition of Guilt by Association [reference.com].
And in case one refutation of your BS isn't enough, here's another [die.net].
Nice try, though.
Re:Quote from Pastor Ken Hutcherson (Score:0)
In my mind, just being a christian is endorsement of this guy and Fred Phelps and George W. Bush and all of the other fundamentalist cocksuckers out there that want to throw out the constitution and replace it with the bible.
Sure sounds like you're applying the guilt of evil to me.
BTW, if you would bother to look you'd find both of your references are from the same source, WordNet.
Re:Quote from Pastor Ken Hutcherson (Score:2)
You said:...
Um...no I didn't.
Scroll up, Einstein...the quote you're attributing to me was actually posted by kin_korn_karn.
For God's sake, organize your thoughts.
Re:Quote from Pastor Ken Hutcherson (Score:2)
For God's sake, organize your thoughts.
Stop putting undue pressure on him. christians don't organize their thoughts, the hebrews and early christians did that for them 4000 years ago and 2000 years ago, respectively.
Re:Quote from Pastor Ken Hutcherson (Score:2)
I will certainly not.
Consider this: You can ask two people of a particular political leaning [republical|democrat|etc] their views on a subject and get different answers... that does not mean either one should stop saying they are aligned with that political group [republican|democrat|etc].
Als