The Stranger has learned that last month the $37-billion Redmond-based software behemoth quietly withdrew its support for House bill 1515, the anti-gay-discrimination bill currently under consideration by the Washington State legislature, after being pressured by the Evangelical Christian pastor of a suburban megachurch.
You mean it's that easy? I got an idea...Let's all march on Redmond and threaten to boycott Microsoft...unless they fix all of these unnecessary s
Maybe. Just Maybe. The pastor was heard and M$ decided he made a good point.
I don't know the guy. So I can't say how bad he is. But you certainly sound very negative.
There is no national gay agenda. I'm sure we could find gay people on both sides of the issue. Are we so desperate to split up our society into little small pieces to fight one another? Does it have to be the bible-crusaders against human rights for gays? I would imagine there are a lot of bible-thumpers who would never hurt another human bei
I would imagine there are a lot of bible-thumpers who would never hurt another human being, gay or not. And until told otherwise, I'd assume this pastor is one of them.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but here's a quote from the good Pastor, during the Senate Hearing on HB1515, on March 22nd:
"Homosexuals have never been considered one-fifth of a human being,"
(He then went on to say that homosexuals want to molest young boys.)
Sorry, but with that sort of intolerance, this man has no right to call him
why don't real christians band together and have fuckers like him excommunicated and arrested?
I suspect it's because more people that call themselves "christian" agree with him than you think they do.
In my mind, just being a christian is endorsement of this guy and Fred Phelps and George W. Bush and all of the other fundamentalist cocksuckers out there that want to throw out the constitution and replace it with the bible.
While I am not Christian myself, I think I find the statement: In my mind, just being a christian is endorsement of this guy: wholly offensive. Just because there are a bunch of rotten apples in the position of power/leadership in the Christian community does not mean the entire community (or the faith) is bad.
For your convenience, I am Jewish.
Other then that, a good lynchin of bastards who want to take away the rights of others because they are different (and pose no real threat to anyone else) wou
But then why do no mainstream christian groups ever take action against people like this? Kick him out of the church, make sure that his voice is never heard again? It's not like that can't be done. Look at how atheists are treated.
If christians really thought this guy was wrong this story wouldn't even exist. They all agree with him, whether they know it or not.
They all agree with him, whether they know it or not.
You gotta really stop with the "they all" comments. Not every Christian person has a problem with gays. There might be a legitimate poll out there that gives rough numbers - but I would bet that you couldn't legitmately say "most". It tends to be that the bigots who don't want gays to get equal rights are the loudest voices - while most of us are like "Hey I hope the best for gays...now let me go back to watching Enterprise." Don't let a bunch of loud mouths make you think all of Christiandom is a bad thing.
Don't let a bunch of loud mouths make you think all of Christiandom is a bad thing.
I'm not. I'm letting a bunch of loudmouths and almost 30 years of living in the bible belt, where every single person I've met that describes themselves as a christian has also been a hardcore bigot, make me think that.
My opinion might be harsh and heavily biased, but it's not just based on what I see in the news. I've lived around this shit all my life and I've been discriminated against myself for being a non-christian
"...I'm letting a bunch of loudmouths and almost 30 years of living in the bible belt, where every single person I've met that describes themselves as a christian has also been a hardcore bigot, make me think that..."
You should read more, and not just Slashdot; the internet lets you visit any community regardless of whether you're living in Hicktown, USA. In decrying those bigoted Christians, you come off rather like a bigot. Funny how that happens, huh?
As a contrary datapoint, my wife and I are Christia
Hate may breed hate, but you can't justify hate with any creed, especially one which is marketed as a path towards inner peace. The only thing churches do is teach you reasons for hating other people and pumping up your own self-esteem.
Furthermore, the concept of "sin" is a construct created by ruling priests to induce guilt and thus obedience in followers. That's so obvious to me that I don't understand how otherwise logical people can fall for it.
He's got a point, though. It's true that Christians aren't all against the teaching of evolution nor against homosexual behaviors, however the truth is that the leaders of most protestant Christian churches teach and believe in creation. And all of the major Christian church denominations (including Catholicism) denounce homosexuality. Oh, yes they say they love the sinner but hate the sin. But the number of family disownments and suicides of homosexuals who grew up in a Christian family tell a differen
I believe part of the problem is that the question is framed in an inflammatory manner. By saying that gays want "gay marriage" then conservatives can say gays are trying to undermine the institution of marriage. However, if you REMOVE the word "marriage" and instead just start calling it civil rights (which is really what it is), then most people would shrug and say, "Oh sure. Gays deserve civil rights".
So, let's be clear on this. Gays are not interested in someone being able to declare their partnerships
Don't let a bunch of loud mouths make you think all of Christiandom is a bad thing.
True, but on the flip side, Christians need to understand that unless they speak up, the loudmouths will speak for them. I'm not saying you have to be loud, but silence itself is a position.
Religion IS bigotry, for it uses superstition to exalt humand over other humans. The only thing to be said for Bible Thumpers and Kikes is they are (nowadays) a bit less dangerous than Sand Niggers.
Logic doesn't apply to the real world.
-- Marvin Minsky
What does he have on you, Bill? (Score:4, Interesting)
You mean it's that easy? I got an idea...Let's all march on Redmond and threaten to boycott Microsoft...unless they fix all of these unnecessary s
Re:What does he have on you, Bill? (Score:1, Insightful)
I don't know the guy. So I can't say how bad he is. But you certainly sound very negative.
There is no national gay agenda. I'm sure we could find gay people on both sides of the issue. Are we so desperate to split up our society into little small pieces to fight one another? Does it have to be the bible-crusaders against human rights for gays? I would imagine there are a lot of bible-thumpers who would never hurt another human bei
Quote from Pastor Ken Hutcherson (Score:5, Informative)
Sorry to burst your bubble, but here's a quote from the good Pastor, during the Senate Hearing on HB1515, on March 22nd:
(He then went on to say that homosexuals want to molest young boys.)
Sorry, but with that sort of intolerance, this man has no right to call him
Re:Quote from Pastor Ken Hutcherson (Score:2, Insightful)
I suspect it's because more people that call themselves "christian" agree with him than you think they do.
In my mind, just being a christian is endorsement of this guy and Fred Phelps and George W. Bush and all of the other fundamentalist cocksuckers out there that want to throw out the constitution and replace it with the bible.
Re:Quote from Pastor Ken Hutcherson (Score:5, Insightful)
For your convenience, I am Jewish.
Other then that, a good lynchin of bastards who want to take away the rights of others because they are different (and pose no real threat to anyone else) wou
Re:Quote from Pastor Ken Hutcherson (Score:2)
But then why do no mainstream christian groups ever take action against people like this? Kick him out of the church, make sure that his voice is never heard again? It's not like that can't be done. Look at how atheists are treated.
If christians really thought this guy was wrong this story wouldn't even exist. They all agree with him, whether they know it or not.
Re:Quote from Pastor Ken Hutcherson (Score:5, Insightful)
You gotta really stop with the "they all" comments. Not every Christian person has a problem with gays. There might be a legitimate poll out there that gives rough numbers - but I would bet that you couldn't legitmately say "most". It tends to be that the bigots who don't want gays to get equal rights are the loudest voices - while most of us are like "Hey I hope the best for gays...now let me go back to watching Enterprise." Don't let a bunch of loud mouths make you think all of Christiandom is a bad thing.
Re:Quote from Pastor Ken Hutcherson (Score:2)
I'm not. I'm letting a bunch of loudmouths and almost 30 years of living in the bible belt, where every single person I've met that describes themselves as a christian has also been a hardcore bigot, make me think that.
My opinion might be harsh and heavily biased, but it's not just based on what I see in the news. I've lived around this shit all my life and I've been discriminated against myself for being a non-christian
Re:Quote from Pastor Ken Hutcherson (Score:0)
You should read more, and not just Slashdot; the internet lets you visit any community regardless of whether you're living in Hicktown, USA. In decrying those bigoted Christians, you come off rather like a bigot. Funny how that happens, huh?
As a contrary datapoint, my wife and I are Christia
Re:Quote from Pastor Ken Hutcherson (Score:2)
Hate may breed hate, but you can't justify hate with any creed, especially one which is marketed as a path towards inner peace. The only thing churches do is teach you reasons for hating other people and pumping up your own self-esteem.
Furthermore, the concept of "sin" is a construct created by ruling priests to induce guilt and thus obedience in followers. That's so obvious to me that I don't understand how otherwise logical people can fall for it.
Thank you
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So, let's be clear on this. Gays are not interested in someone being able to declare their partnerships
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Pro-gay fans of Enterprise: one downtrodden minority supporting another. Makes my heart glad.
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True, but on the flip side, Christians need to understand that unless they speak up, the loudmouths will speak for them. I'm not saying you have to be loud, but silence itself is a position.
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