The Stranger has learned that last month the $37-billion Redmond-based software behemoth quietly withdrew its support for House bill 1515, the anti-gay-discrimination bill currently under consideration by the Washington State legislature, after being pressured by the Evangelical Christian pastor of a suburban megachurch.
You mean it's that easy? I got an idea...Let's all march on Redmond and threaten to boycott Microsoft...unless they fix all of these unnecessary s
Maybe. Just Maybe. The pastor was heard and M$ decided he made a good point.
I don't know the guy. So I can't say how bad he is. But you certainly sound very negative.
There is no national gay agenda. I'm sure we could find gay people on both sides of the issue. Are we so desperate to split up our society into little small pieces to fight one another? Does it have to be the bible-crusaders against human rights for gays? I would imagine there are a lot of bible-thumpers who would never hurt another human bei
I would imagine there are a lot of bible-thumpers who would never hurt another human being, gay or not. And until told otherwise, I'd assume this pastor is one of them.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but here's a quote from the good Pastor, during the Senate Hearing on HB1515, on March 22nd:
"Homosexuals have never been considered one-fifth of a human being,"
(He then went on to say that homosexuals want to molest young boys.)
Sorry, but with that sort of intolerance, this man has no right to call him
why don't real christians band together and have fuckers like him excommunicated and arrested?
I suspect it's because more people that call themselves "christian" agree with him than you think they do.
In my mind, just being a christian is endorsement of this guy and Fred Phelps and George W. Bush and all of the other fundamentalist cocksuckers out there that want to throw out the constitution and replace it with the bible.
While I am not Christian myself, I think I find the statement: In my mind, just being a christian is endorsement of this guy: wholly offensive. Just because there are a bunch of rotten apples in the position of power/leadership in the Christian community does not mean the entire community (or the faith) is bad.
For your convenience, I am Jewish.
Other then that, a good lynchin of bastards who want to take away the rights of others because they are different (and pose no real threat to anyone else) wou
by Anonymous Coward writes:
on Thursday April 21, 2005 @04:16PM (#12305897)
Amen. I am a Christian, even graduated from a Christian college (eee...that was a weird experience, and I did get into numerous arguments about how God does NOT in fact hate 'gays', incidently, it's fun to tell close minded Christian hate-mongers to get their heads out of their asses) and there are a lot of...sane Christians. You know, the ones that don't change what's in the Bible bi-daily to suit their own black minds and hearts. What I really don't understand is even if you think it's so 'evil' and 'wrong'...who are you to judge? If you're such a great Christian, let everyone live their lives and leave judgement to God. I never though most of the Christian persecution I would experience would come from...Christians. Come to think of it, they are the only ones that have attacked my faith and beliefs. Fucked up ol' world.
Unfortunately the reasonable middle isn't the ones out picketing the funerals of gay people. (Fred Phelps) They're not the one's on TV saying that a gay couple adopting a kid is "violence against the child." (The late Pope) They're not the ones that are saying gay people should be put in jail. (2004 Texas GOP platform)
The reasonable middle is fairly silent on these issues, and so it is the whackjob-fringe groups that get all the press and the air time.
The same is true on the other side of the fence. The most passionate are out marching, protesting, lobbying for equal treatment. Your average gay man or woman is pretty normal, and I bet many heteros would never be able to pick them out.
then why aren't you doing something about all these people that are giving you a bad name? is it that "the meek shall inherit the earth" horseshit that's keeping you from taking action?
> Unfortunately the reasonable middle isn't the ones out picketing the funerals of gay people. (Fred Phelps)
Actually, I think the gay community needs more people like Fred Phelps, perhaps one in every state. Nothing like an out-and-out wackjob kook like him to point out the ultimate end of a morally bankrupt ideology built on hate.
Your kidding right? Just because someone disagrees with homosexuality on principle, doesn't mean they hate anyone. That is an out and out lie. The real hate is coming from those who are pro-homosexual. They are the ones who hate Christians, because the reality is that they don't want anyone to suggest to anyone else that what they are doing is wrong. They simply don't like the dissenting view and therefore they are the one's preaching hate against Christians. And I got news for you. The bible does sa
Just because someone disagrees with homosexuality on principle, doesn't mean they hate anyone.
What principle would that be? The principle of meddling in others' affairs? The principle that two men can't be romantically involved because oh gross which one's the girl!?
Now the homosexuals are saying they are the "good" and that Christians are evil.
Here's a deal: you can both be good. I'll let you out of wearing the shoe on the other foot, being as I'm a soft touch.
When the Phelps clan goes to some poor guy's funeral and loudly pickets in front of his family, holding signs and chanting "God Hates Fags," that's hate.
When the same people want to put up a monument in a public park celebrating the date "Matthew Shepard entered Hell," that's hate.
When parents kick their teenage children out of their home, as happened to more than one friend of mine, that's hate.
The reasonable middle is fairly silent on these issues, and so it is the whackjob-fringe groups that get all the press and the air time.
It's been my experience that, first, the reasonable middle isn't aware that there are perfectly valid interpretations of the Bible that do not excoriate homosexuality (it helps if you learn enough Koine Greek to read Romans and know enough about first century culture to understand Paul's worldview). Consequently, they're afraid to take on the anti-gay groups on a Biblica
Since you are a christian, one would expect something better than this ignorant rant. To say homosexuality is a sin is not a judgement by any stretch of the imagination. It's really annoying when people (Christians or not) sit and just the Thou Shall Not Judge argument. It is a totally fallacy to do so. Nobody is judging anybody by saying something is morally wrong. A judgement would be to say that person X is going to hell because they are a homosexual. For it to truly be a judgement and qualify as a
Logic doesn't apply to the real world.
-- Marvin Minsky
What does he have on you, Bill? (Score:4, Interesting)
You mean it's that easy? I got an idea...Let's all march on Redmond and threaten to boycott Microsoft...unless they fix all of these unnecessary s
Re:What does he have on you, Bill? (Score:1, Insightful)
I don't know the guy. So I can't say how bad he is. But you certainly sound very negative.
There is no national gay agenda. I'm sure we could find gay people on both sides of the issue. Are we so desperate to split up our society into little small pieces to fight one another? Does it have to be the bible-crusaders against human rights for gays? I would imagine there are a lot of bible-thumpers who would never hurt another human bei
Quote from Pastor Ken Hutcherson (Score:5, Informative)
Sorry to burst your bubble, but here's a quote from the good Pastor, during the Senate Hearing on HB1515, on March 22nd:
(He then went on to say that homosexuals want to molest young boys.)
Sorry, but with that sort of intolerance, this man has no right to call him
Re:Quote from Pastor Ken Hutcherson (Score:2, Insightful)
I suspect it's because more people that call themselves "christian" agree with him than you think they do.
In my mind, just being a christian is endorsement of this guy and Fred Phelps and George W. Bush and all of the other fundamentalist cocksuckers out there that want to throw out the constitution and replace it with the bible.
Re:Quote from Pastor Ken Hutcherson (Score:5, Insightful)
For your convenience, I am Jewish.
Other then that, a good lynchin of bastards who want to take away the rights of others because they are different (and pose no real threat to anyone else) wou
Re:Quote from Pastor Ken Hutcherson (Score:0)
and there are a lot of...sane Christians. You know, the ones that don't change what's in the Bible bi-daily to suit their own black minds and hearts. What I really don't understand is even if you think it's so 'evil' and 'wrong'...who are you to judge? If you're such a great Christian, let everyone live their lives and leave judgement to God. I never though most of the Christian persecution I would experience would come from...Christians. Come to think of it, they are the only ones that have attacked my faith and beliefs. Fucked up ol' world.
Re:Quote from Pastor Ken Hutcherson (Score:5, Insightful)
Unfortunately the reasonable middle isn't the ones out picketing the funerals of gay people. (Fred Phelps) They're not the one's on TV saying that a gay couple adopting a kid is "violence against the child." (The late Pope) They're not the ones that are saying gay people should be put in jail. (2004 Texas GOP platform)
The reasonable middle is fairly silent on these issues, and so it is the whackjob-fringe groups that get all the press and the air time.
Re:Quote from Pastor Ken Hutcherson (Score:2)
Re:Quote from Pastor Ken Hutcherson (Score:2)
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Actually, I think the gay community needs more people like Fred Phelps, perhaps one in every state. Nothing like an out-and-out wackjob kook like him to point out the ultimate end of a morally bankrupt ideology built on hate.
Re:Quote from Pastor Ken Hutcherson (Score:0)
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What principle would that be? The principle of meddling in others' affairs? The principle that two men can't be romantically involved because oh gross which one's the girl! ?
Here's a deal: you can both be good. I'll let you out of wearing the shoe on the other foot, being as I'm a soft touch.
Re:Quote from Pastor Ken Hutcherson (Score:2)
Oh please, you don't know hate from hinola.
Re:Quote from Pastor Ken Hutcherson (Score:1)
It's been my experience that, first, the reasonable middle isn't aware that there are perfectly valid interpretations of the Bible that do not excoriate homosexuality (it helps if you learn enough Koine Greek to read Romans and know enough about first century culture to understand Paul's worldview). Consequently, they're afraid to take on the anti-gay groups on a Biblica
Re:Quote from Pastor Ken Hutcherson (Score:0)