The Stranger has learned that last month the $37-billion Redmond-based software behemoth quietly withdrew its support for House bill 1515, the anti-gay-discrimination bill currently under consideration by the Washington State legislature, after being pressured by the Evangelical Christian pastor of a suburban megachurch.
You mean it's that easy? I got an idea...Let's all march on Redmond and threaten to boycott Microsoft...unless they fix all of these unnecessary s
Maybe. Just Maybe. The pastor was heard and M$ decided he made a good point.
I don't know the guy. So I can't say how bad he is. But you certainly sound very negative.
There is no national gay agenda. I'm sure we could find gay people on both sides of the issue. Are we so desperate to split up our society into little small pieces to fight one another? Does it have to be the bible-crusaders against human rights for gays? I would imagine there are a lot of bible-thumpers who would never hurt another human bei
I would imagine there are a lot of bible-thumpers who would never hurt another human being, gay or not. And until told otherwise, I'd assume this pastor is one of them.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but here's a quote from the good Pastor, during the Senate Hearing on HB1515, on March 22nd:
"Homosexuals have never been considered one-fifth of a human being,"
(He then went on to say that homosexuals want to molest young boys.)
Sorry, but with that sort of intolerance, this man has no right to call him
why don't real christians band together and have fuckers like him excommunicated and arrested?
I suspect it's because more people that call themselves "christian" agree with him than you think they do.
In my mind, just being a christian is endorsement of this guy and Fred Phelps and George W. Bush and all of the other fundamentalist cocksuckers out there that want to throw out the constitution and replace it with the bible.
I am a proud Christian, and I do not endorse this person. I personally dislike the idea that homosexual couples are barred from the same rights and privileges that my wife and I enjoy. This, however, is not an indication that I approve of homosexual relationships.
Furthermore, I have a problem with politicians who use the bible as a platform for their political agendas. I had a hard time dealing with my fellow church-goers last year at election time because I found both candidates supporting agendas that contained items that were important to me as a Christian. However, I was scowled upon for choosing the agendas that were more important to me as a Christian because of their content, and not because the candidate loudly said, "I'm a Christian, and that's why i'm doing such-and-such." At any rate, I find those people who attempt to maneuver policically under the guise of any religion to be, more often than not, spin doctors and propaganda artists. For this reason, I try (as much as possible) to ignore the professed religions of political officials, and let their actions indicate where their intentions lie. As the Master said, "By their fruits you will know them."
On a side note, the parent's "real christian" argument sounds amazingly similar to the "no true scotsman" logical fallacy.
Well, there is that whole "Thou shalt not kill" thing... But honestly, what are you getting at? I don't go to this guy's church, I don't send money to his ministry. Am I "tolerating" him by abstaining from sending hate mail?
Then please stand up to them.
Isn't voting for the other guy the American way of "standing up" to politicians that you don't agree with? I could even go further, and tell you how many times I've reamed out my fellow church-goers for party-line Republ
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What does he have on you, Bill? (Score:4, Interesting)
You mean it's that easy? I got an idea...Let's all march on Redmond and threaten to boycott Microsoft...unless they fix all of these unnecessary s
Re:What does he have on you, Bill? (Score:1, Insightful)
I don't know the guy. So I can't say how bad he is. But you certainly sound very negative.
There is no national gay agenda. I'm sure we could find gay people on both sides of the issue. Are we so desperate to split up our society into little small pieces to fight one another? Does it have to be the bible-crusaders against human rights for gays? I would imagine there are a lot of bible-thumpers who would never hurt another human bei
Quote from Pastor Ken Hutcherson (Score:5, Informative)
Sorry to burst your bubble, but here's a quote from the good Pastor, during the Senate Hearing on HB1515, on March 22nd:
(He then went on to say that homosexuals want to molest young boys.)
Sorry, but with that sort of intolerance, this man has no right to call him
Re:Quote from Pastor Ken Hutcherson (Score:2, Insightful)
I suspect it's because more people that call themselves "christian" agree with him than you think they do.
In my mind, just being a christian is endorsement of this guy and Fred Phelps and George W. Bush and all of the other fundamentalist cocksuckers out there that want to throw out the constitution and replace it with the bible.
Re:Quote from Pastor Ken Hutcherson (Score:1)
Furthermore, I have a problem with politicians who use the bible as a platform for their political agendas. I had a hard time dealing with my fellow church-goers last year at election time because I found both candidates supporting agendas that contained items that were important to me as a Christian. However, I was scowled upon for choosing the agendas that were more important to me as a Christian because of their content, and not because the candidate loudly said, "I'm a Christian, and that's why i'm doing such-and-such." At any rate, I find those people who attempt to maneuver policically under the guise of any religion to be, more often than not, spin doctors and propaganda artists. For this reason, I try (as much as possible) to ignore the professed religions of political officials, and let their actions indicate where their intentions lie. As the Master said, "By their fruits you will know them."
On a side note, the parent's "real christian" argument sounds amazingly similar to the "no true scotsman" logical fallacy.
Re:Quote from Pastor Ken Hutcherson (Score:2)
So why do you tolerate them?
Furthermore, I have a problem with politicians who use the bible as a platform for their political agendas.
Then please stand up to them.
Talk is cheap.
Re:Quote from Pastor Ken Hutcherson (Score:1)
So why do you tolerate them?
Well, there is that whole "Thou shalt not kill" thing... But honestly, what are you getting at? I don't go to this guy's church, I don't send money to his ministry. Am I "tolerating" him by abstaining from sending hate mail?
Then please stand up to them.
Isn't voting for the other guy the American way of "standing up" to politicians that you don't agree with? I could even go further, and tell you how many times I've reamed out my fellow church-goers for party-line Republ