This small group of complainers can then easily be taken out by a small group of assassins... There must be a reason this has not been done yet, but I cannot think of any.
Holy crap, one look at their site, and it looks like they are responsible for censoring a little bit of just about everything.
Hmm a small group of individuals responsible for detrimental decisions against us all. Sounds familiar.
3) Shows like Southpark are not mentioned. Why? Probably because they realize southpark would make a show about them and tear their organization to shreds in the minds of most teenagers, so they ignore it.
They lost all credibility among teenagers, when they put the word parent's in their name.
Actually, though I don't watch most of those shows (on either list:-), after scanning through it it *seems* that the only show on the "bad" list with gay characters was Will and Grace. And Southpark wasn't mentioned because it's not on network television. All of the shows they list are. If they went to cable, they would have put the Sopranos on the list, for sure.
Note, I'm not disputing the extreme christian slant of their list, just not for two out of the three reasons you mentioned:-)
As I understand it, groups like the PTC typically are mainly concerned with the public airwaves, because those are available freely to anyone with a TV. Cable TV must be paid for so is in a different class, censorship-wise.
Looking back at previous years, particularly 1998-1999's Worst [parentstv.org] you come across #5 which is Spin City, which states:
" The dialogue in this 9:00 series would seem more appropriate in a brothel than in New York's City Hall, where much of the action takes place. Crass and vulgar language abound, while casual sex and the homosexual lifestyle (one character is an openly homosexual male) are enthusiastically condoned while providing fodder for jokes.".
Also noted is how they did the same thing regarding homosexua
look at the two lists - most of the "best" shows air before 9 pm (or on pax). most of the worst shows air AFTER 9 pm. 9 pm (at least to my knowledge) has always been the "watershed" time - perhaps that is just in the UK - when tv switches over to more adult themes. kids should be in bed or getting ready for it by that time. the more mature programs usually (or used to) kick in at 10.
hint to the PTC to tell parents: turn off the tv at 9!
i'd also take issue with their depiction of everwood - i'm not a
You should hit the Wayback machine for their thoughts on the sixth season of Buffy: The Vampire Slayer, which was number one on their bad list for a long time over a number of issues (including a prominent lesbian character). FYI, none of that year's episodes were actually found to be indecent.
If you pay attention, you'll see that many, many groups use 'family' as a euphemism 'Christian'. Find me a 'Family Bookstore' that isn't really a Christian one. Or 'Family Radio'. Look at the 'Family Research Council'.
It's a clear attempt to link the two in peoples' minds. That anything that's not clearly Christian is somehow anti-family.
If the group wasn't being blatantly biased toward Christianity, they'd put the 700 Club in their bad list. The lies, deceit, hatred, and ot
The question in my mind is, what does "Christian" really mean anymore? Many Christian values and ideals are good (that can be said for many other religions as well, of course) and organized religion has provided a valuable form of social control for centuries. But no matter how socially beneficial religion may be, problems ensue when only lip service is paid to it. I know many, many people that claim to be {insert favored religion here} but fail to act in a manner consistent with the basic tenets of that
Gods, the irony is palpable. Every time you hear of some douchebag disowning his/her children for being gay/lesbian/pagan/Heathen/athiest, etc... there's always some braindead Xian rationalization claimed.
Not to mention that there's apparently something in Texas' water that drives devout Xian women to murder their kids... O_O
3) Shows like Southpark are not mentioned. Why? Probably because they realize southpark would make a show about them and tear their organization to shreds in the minds of most teenagers, so they ignore it.
Beverly Mitchell (the girl on the show thats not Jessica Biel) went to college the same college as me for a couple years, and she had some "friends" who ran in the same circles I did. If you want to know murderous rage, try dealing with Bev screaming at you for not knowing who she is but coming to her birthday party and puking in her hot tub. With a wicked hangover.
She's also not a very good christian judging by the number of guys I know she slept with.
You know, some guy called Saul onced loved to butcher Christians, then something happened and he changed his name and decided to write a few books. And he's not the only one. Take one from the hundreds of people in the last two centuries who have made positive differences and look at what they used to be like.
Are you at all familiar with the concept of being born again?
One of its many facets is that your life up to that turning point in no way dictates who you are from then on.
There's actually some people who think he decided the best way to destroy the peace-loving, near-communistic early christians was to infiltrate their group, and twist JC's message of peace into something utterly different.
7th Heaven? 7TH HEAVEN?? If you want to experience true murderous rage, please watch this show.
(cue slightly-related Family Guy bit)
ANNOUNCER: We now return to 'Touched By An Angel'. LAWYER: Now Billy, show us exactly where the Angel touched you. BILLY: Umm...here? (BILLY POINTS TO THE DOLL'S CROTCH) ANGEL: Oh, come on! Who you going to believe?! I got a freakin' halo for God's sake!
Well, I'm tuning back to see when they drop their #1 show, Joan of Arcadia. You see, the other week, one of the characters who plays God (who occasionally also appears in the form of a *gasp* woman on the show, as well) had the temerity to say that He (i.e., God) had so many religions because people had so many way's of relating to Him, acknowledging Hinduism as an example. I'm sure that goes over well with the thumpers that put that show as numero uno on their list! Like I said, I'm anxious to see what they have to say when they next revise the list, because I'm pretty sure neither polythism nor spiritual eclecticism is high on their list of core values.
LOL! I was thinking the exact same thing, and I'm a Christian! But I wholeheartedly laughed when reading through their best/worst lists. It's like they picked all the most mundane, non-entertaining shows to put on their "best" list, and all the funny, "on the edge", ENTERTAINING shows on their "worst" list.
I may not appreciate all of the content on TV these days, but c'mon, "The Honeymooners" was just as bad if not a whole lot worse than anything on TV these days. I'm with the/. majority on this one and s
I'm not particularly christian, but I like Joan of Arcadia, I don't think it is mundane (I also really like "The Shield" -- the target of one of their 'e-mail alerts' last season).
But, whenever I hear the theme song I can't help but think of the parody version -- "What if God Smoked Cannabis?" which might explain my proclivity for watching the show.
I find it amusing is that Joan of Arcadia got a "yellow" rating [parentstv.org]. Despite that, it is (according to PTC), a better show that 7th Heaven and American Idol, despite the fact that they got "green" ratings.
If you are going to do ratings, at least be consistent.
I'm guessing they didn't make a special point to say that "Hey, I'm Judeo-Christianity's God, too!" It's just a given that he's that God
Actually, I'm not sure if you caught the title, but it's: Joan of Arc-adia.
Maybe you're just not familiar with Joan of Arc... She was certainly very christian, from wikipedia: Joan "is a national heroine of France and saint of the Catholic Church". Also, she was "equipped with armour and a white banner depicting God flanked by two angels and the words "Jesus" and "Mar
I mean geeze, what a suprise, look what's number 1:
Joan of Arcadia - A whole series about talking to God... who'd a thunk it?
OK, let's proceed with an Australian's uneducated look at the lists!
2. Doc - Ok, don't have it in Australia... but by the description "In addition to being completely devoid of offensive language, sexual content, or violence, episodes of Doc consistently reinforce family-friendly themes such as honesty, compassion, hope, and reconciliation. " I'm happy it isn't
I've often wanted to punch the screen while watching this. Anyone who thinks that shit, or anything comparable (Waltons, Little House On The Prairie, Touched By An Angel etc.) should be all that fills the TV channels needs a hard slap to the face. Repeatedly.
Of course, I'd be all in favour of replacing some trashy violent show (or any of the above), and put something educational in its place, for example teaching evolution, science, skepticism, rational thinking etc.
Because the show takes place in a hospital, medical procedures are often depicted. However, these scenes are not graphic, giving the show a green light for violence.
Ok, censor a graphic operation for gore... But violence?? Why try and force eveything they don't what to see on TV into 3 categories?
Check out the bio of the PTC President [parentstv.org] where he openly admits his "conservative" bias and has a couple of more links to other groups he has formed.
More to be slashdotted....
Is it wrong but every single show from that their list that I have enjoyed or at least considered watching is rated with a red light, and almost every single piece of lowest-common-denominator derivative garbage I checked is yellow light or better?
On the bright side, I am thinking of writing to them to thank them for providing a good method for evaluating new TV shows. Just search for the ones with the most red lights.
Anyway, I must be off now to use cuss words and thinking unwholesome thoughts about sexu
I know it's wrong to reply to my own post, but I just found that they green-lighted "Everybody Loves Raymond". For perspective, they red-lighted Alias and Buffy. They must be destroyed. Where may I sign up for the Slashdot ninjas?
Is it wrong but every single show from that their list that I have enjoyed or at least considered watching is rated with a red light, and almost every single piece of lowest-common-denominator derivative garbage I checked is yellow light or better?
Wow, these people are suck whackos that for a second I thought it was some sort of parody site. Who appointed them God, and decided that all TV shows had to meet their super conservative standards? But they do support one thing that most Slashdotters approve of: a la carte cable TV channels.
2) Family Guy
(Fox/not ranked last season)
Fox's Family Guy was unbelievably foul. This low-rated, raunchy, animated series centered on a couple, their two teenagers, and their precociously evil infant son. In its first full year, the show's creators managed to include nearly every conceivable obscenity, and references to every imaginable sexual perversion from incest to necrophilia. Series staples included nudity and references to pornography and masturbation. One
...the show's creators managed to include nearly every conceivable obscenity, and references to every imaginable sexual perversion from incest to necrophilia. Series staples included nudity and references to pornography and masturbation. One episode this spring featured...
I think I may have to give Family Guy another chance then. Thanks for the review, Parents Television Council!
Small group... (Score:5, Funny)
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They must be stopped. (Score:5, Funny)
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They lost all credibility among teenagers, when they put the word parent's in their name.
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Note, I'm not disputing the extreme christian slant of their list, just not for two out of the three reasons you mentioned
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" The dialogue in this 9:00 series would seem more appropriate in a brothel than in New York's City Hall, where much of the action takes place. Crass and vulgar language abound, while casual sex and the homosexual lifestyle (one character is an openly homosexual male) are enthusiastically condoned while providing fodder for jokes.".
Also noted is how they did the same thing regarding homosexua
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hint to the PTC to tell parents: turn off the tv at 9!
i'd also take issue with their depiction of everwood - i'm not a
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If you pay attention, you'll see that many, many groups use 'family' as a euphemism 'Christian'. Find me a 'Family Bookstore' that isn't really a Christian one. Or 'Family Radio'. Look at the 'Family Research Council'.
It's a clear attempt to link the two in peoples' minds. That anything that's not clearly Christian is somehow anti-family.
If the group wasn't being blatantly biased toward Christianity, they'd put the 700 Club in their bad list. The lies, deceit, hatred, and ot
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Re:They must be stopped. (Score:2)
Not to mention that there's apparently something in Texas' water that drives devout Xian women to murder their kids... O_O
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shit, dick, prick, fuck, asshole, cock, Goddamn, profaning Jesus Christ.
So yes, you are absolutely correct.
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See '801 - Good Times with weapons'.
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She's also not a very good christian judging by the number of guys I know she slept with.
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You know, some guy called Saul onced loved to butcher Christians, then something happened and he changed his name and decided to write a few books. And he's not the only one. Take one from the hundreds of people in the last two centuries who have made positive differences and look at what they used to be like.
Are you at all familiar with the concept of being born again?
One of its many facets is that your life up to that turning point in no way dictates who you are from then on.
Considering Paul's later "contributions"... (Score:2)
Makes ya think, eh?
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Also, Reba and Bernie Mac are on the top 10 list, I never realized that they are actually clean shows, just funny enough to watch.
Re:They must be stopped. (Score:4, Funny)
(cue slightly-related Family Guy bit)
ANNOUNCER: We now return to 'Touched By An Angel'.
LAWYER: Now Billy, show us exactly where the Angel touched you.
BILLY: Umm...here?
(BILLY POINTS TO THE DOLL'S CROTCH)
ANGEL: Oh, come on! Who you going to believe?! I got a freakin' halo for God's sake!
Re:They must be stopped. (Score:5, Interesting)
Well, I'm tuning back to see when they drop their #1 show, Joan of Arcadia. You see, the other week, one of the characters who plays God (who occasionally also appears in the form of a *gasp* woman on the show, as well) had the temerity to say that He (i.e., God) had so many religions because people had so many way's of relating to Him, acknowledging Hinduism as an example. I'm sure that goes over well with the thumpers that put that show as numero uno on their list! Like I said, I'm anxious to see what they have to say when they next revise the list, because I'm pretty sure neither polythism nor spiritual eclecticism is high on their list of core values.
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I may not appreciate all of the content on TV these days, but c'mon, "The Honeymooners" was just as bad if not a whole lot worse than anything on TV these days. I'm with the
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But, whenever I hear the theme song I can't help but think of the parody version -- "What if God Smoked Cannabis?" which might explain my proclivity for watching the show.
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If you are going to do ratings, at least be consistent.
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I'm guessing they didn't make a special point to say that "Hey, I'm Judeo-Christianity's God, too!" It's just a given that he's that God
Actually, I'm not sure if you caught the title, but it's: Joan of Arc-adia.
Maybe you're just not familiar with Joan of Arc... She was certainly very christian, from wikipedia: Joan "is a national heroine of France and saint of the Catholic Church". Also, she was "equipped with armour and a white banner depicting God flanked by two angels and the words "Jesus" and "Mar
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Family Guy (Score:1)
Their whole 10 best/10 worst list is damn scary (Score:2)
Joan of Arcadia - A whole series about talking to God... who'd a thunk it?
OK, let's proceed with an Australian's uneducated look at the lists!
2. Doc - Ok, don't have it in Australia... but by the description "In addition to being completely devoid of offensive language, sexual content, or violence, episodes of Doc consistently reinforce family-friendly themes such as honesty, compassion, hope, and reconciliation. " I'm happy it isn't
3. Sue Thomas F. B.
Best. Irony. Ever. (Score:2)
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Of course, I'd be all in favour of replacing some trashy violent show (or any of the above), and put something educational in its place, for example teaching evolution, science, skepticism, rational thinking etc.
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http://www.parentstv.org/ptc/niptuck/main.asp
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Because the show takes place in a hospital, medical procedures are often depicted. However, these scenes are not graphic, giving the show a green light for violence.
Ok, censor a graphic operation for gore... But violence?? Why try and force eveything they don't what to see on TV into 3 categories?
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Though everything else looks pretty frickin abysmal
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On the bright side, I am thinking of writing to them to thank them for providing a good method for evaluating new TV shows. Just search for the ones with the most red lights.
Anyway, I must be off now to use cuss words and thinking unwholesome thoughts about sexu
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Surely you mean "yellow light or worse"?
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I think I may have to give Family Guy another chance then. Thanks for the review, Parents Television Council!
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Surely they are secure in their beliefs and can take a bit of criticism....