'It means that really a tiny minority with a very focused political agenda is trying to censor American television and radio.'
What's not clear is exactally what effect these complaints are having, and what are they complaining about. First of all, have these complaints actually affected what gets aired in any significant way?
Do I care if...
Janet Jackson's boob is censored? No
Howard Stern can't talk about a woman having sex with a dog on the radio? No
People can't dry f* on shows which are marketed as family entertainment? No
People can't criticise the Bush administration for repeated mistakes in Iraq? Yes
People can't call policians to the table for spending our kids future away? Hell Yes
Perhaps before we start bitching about censorship we start thinking a bit about what censorship is. People seem to think that eliminating Swearing and Sex on the radio is some sort of terrible crime but it is really meaningless. When you look at the bigger issues.
Main Entry: censorship Pronunciation: 'sen(t)-s&r-"ship Function: noun 1 a : the institution, system, or practice of censoring b : the actions or practices of censors; especially : censorial control exercised repressively
Main Entry: 1censor Pronunciation: 'sen(t)-s&r Function: noun Etymology: Latin, from censEre to give as one's opinion, assess; perhaps akin to Sanskrit samsati he praises 1 : one of two magistrates of early Rome acting as census takers, assessors, and inspectors of morals and conduct 2 : o
>People can't criticise the Bush administration for >repeated mistakes in Iraq? Yes
There certainly is open discussion of this, and people aren't disappearing in the dark of night, at least not in my neighborhood. And I know some rather vocal critics of the administration.
Opponents may be dedicated, but not dedicated enough to move to rural parts of the country in the tens of millions. And that seems to be the bottom line.
> People can't call policians to the table for > spending our kids futur
>People can't criticise the Bush administration for >repeated mistakes in Iraq? Yes
There certainly is open discussion of this, and people aren't disappearing in the dark of night, at least not in my neighborhood. And I know some rather vocal critics of the administration.
Heh. Plenty of partisan accusations from both sides yes. Here's one though - how about some discussion of important economic and political issues that neither side is bothering to comment on? Believe me, there are plenty - there's
Yes I can name all of the organizations that called bush on these things: CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, and yes even Fox News. Just because the media isn't as far left as you does not mean that it is far left of center.
Also before you start bashing Fox News, leave it alone, it is the only national tv news channel us non-liberals can turn to for news. You can have your CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC...
Lastly the majority of slashdot moderators are in fact liberal. In case if you haven't noticed Computer Scientists are way
Just because the media isn't as far left as you does not mean that it is far left of center.
Actually, CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS and Fox are considered "right" and some of them even "extremely right" in the rest of the world.. CNN even needed to do a "more centrist" programming for CNN international.
Ok, just because they aren't to the left of communist china and socialist sweden, doesn't mean they aren't left of center in the US. Left, right and center are relative labels, NOT absolute.
OK I think that I know where the confusion is.
1. I am an American so I'm talking about the American scale of politics. In America these channels with the exception of Fox are biased to the left. ABC has made some strides in moving to the center.
2. These stations are not anti-american. In the US both liberals and conservatives tend to be pro-America.
PS Of course CNN International would have to move to be "more centrist." The rest of the world (for the most part) is very scarily liberal.
In America these channels with the exception of Fox are biased to the left.
Nonsense. The "biased liberal media" never existed. Seriously, the press was facinated by Whitewater for YEARS, but no Bush scandal in the media lasts longer than a couple weeks. My Pet Goat, Abu Garib, Valerie Plume, Cheney's pottymouth on the Senate floor, and do on. The press will have fogotten all about vehicle body armor by next Friday.
So you WANT to listen to the media bash our president 24/7? And yes this bias does in fact exist. You know the whole Dan Rather story or were you under a rock during that week?
I'm censored from talking about breasts, so breast cancer and cooking chicken can no longer be talked about on TV?
Public radio is censored for talking about homosexuality?
People can't talk about sex education on TV?
Your last two points about censoring Pres. Bush and politicians are valid, but sex is where it starts. And where do you draw the line between pornography, art, and science? Once you try drawing a line, the people start trying to redefine the line in their favor in order to c
I'm censored from talking about breasts, so breast cancer and cooking chicken can no longer be talked about on TV?
Public radio is censored for talking about homosexuality?
People can't talk about sex education on TV?
AND that is why Howard stern was fined and Oprah wasn't. Is it a potentially slippery slope sure, but the line has been drawn between titilation and education and needs to be enforced. If PBS shows an educational video graphically detailing and demonstrating safe condom use I
You are nitpicking and poorly. In order to discuss homosexuality or breast cancer you don't need to show sex or simulated sex. Nor do you need to describe it in explicit detail. Somewhere there is a reasonable compromise where we can have politically valid discussion of issues and still not have to worry about our kids listening to radio and hearing a couple having sex live on some radio show. (And yes that has been aired)
People seem to think that eliminating Swearing and Sex on the radio is some sort of terrible crime but it is really meaningless. When you look at the bigger issues.
What Exactally is Being Censored? (Score:5, Insightful)
'It means that really a tiny minority with a very focused political agenda is trying to censor American television and radio.'
What's not clear is exactally what effect these complaints are having, and what are they complaining about. First of all, have these complaints actually affected what gets aired in any significant way?
Do I care if...
Perhaps before we start bitching about censorship we start thinking a bit about what censorship is. People seem to think that eliminating Swearing and Sex on the radio is some sort of terrible crime but it is really meaningless. When you look at the bigger issues.
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Pronunciation: 'sen(t)-s&r-"ship
Function: noun
1 a : the institution, system, or practice of censoring b : the actions or practices of censors; especially : censorial control exercised repressively
Main Entry: 1censor
Pronunciation: 'sen(t)-s&r
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin, from censEre to give as one's opinion, assess; perhaps akin to Sanskrit samsati he praises
1 : one of two magistrates of early Rome acting as census takers, assessors, and inspectors of morals and conduct
2 : o
Re:What Exactally is Being Censored? (Score:2, Insightful)
>People can't criticise the Bush administration for
>repeated mistakes in Iraq? Yes
There certainly is open discussion of this, and people aren't disappearing in the dark of night, at least not in my neighborhood. And I know some rather vocal critics of the administration.
Opponents may be dedicated, but not dedicated enough to move to rural parts of the country in the tens of millions. And that seems to be the bottom line.
> People can't call policians to the table for
> spending our kids futur
Re:What Exactally is Being Censored? (Score:2)
>repeated mistakes in Iraq? Yes
There certainly is open discussion of this, and people aren't disappearing in the dark of night, at least not in my neighborhood. And I know some rather vocal critics of the administration.
Heh. Plenty of partisan accusations from both sides yes. Here's one though - how about some discussion of important economic and political issues that neither side is bothering to comment on? Believe me, there are plenty - there's
Re:What Exactally is Being Censored? (Score:2)
Last time I checked, the major news media sure as hell didn't have a problem criticising the President...
Re:What Exactally is Being Censored? (Score:1)
Re:What Exactally is Being Censored? (Score:1)
Actually, CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS and Fox are considered "right" and some of them even "extremely right" in the rest of the world.. CNN even needed to do a "more centrist" programming for CNN international.
Re:What Exactally is Being Censored? (Score:1)
Re:What Exactally is Being Censored? (Score:1)
Re:What Exactally is Being Censored? (Score:1)
Nonsense. The "biased liberal media" never existed. Seriously, the press was facinated by Whitewater for YEARS, but no Bush scandal in the media lasts longer than a couple weeks. My Pet Goat, Abu Garib, Valerie Plume, Cheney's pottymouth on the Senate floor, and do on. The press will have fogotten all about vehicle body armor by next Friday.
Re:What Exactally is Being Censored? (Score:1)
Re:What Exactally is Being Censored? (Score:2, Insightful)
Slippery Slope
Re:What Exactally is Being Censored? (Score:1)
Exactly! The types of people who want to censor don't stick to a single category.
Your mind is being censored that's what (Score:3, Insightful)
I'm censored from talking about breasts, so breast cancer and cooking chicken can no longer be talked about on TV?
Public radio is censored for talking about homosexuality?
People can't talk about sex education on TV?
Your last two points about censoring Pres. Bush and politicians are valid, but sex is where it starts. And where do you draw the line between pornography, art, and science? Once you try drawing a line, the people start trying to redefine the line in their favor in order to c
Re:Your mind is being censored that's what (Score:1)
Re:Your mind is being censored that's what (Score:1)
You are nitpicking and poorly. In order to discuss homosexuality or breast cancer you don't need to show sex or simulated sex. Nor do you need to describe it in explicit detail. Somewhere there is a reasonable compromise where we can have politically valid discussion of issues and still not have to worry about our kids listening to radio and hearing a couple having sex live on some radio show. (And yes that has been aired)
The OP was speaking about a small group
Re:What Exactally is Being Censored? (Score:3, Insightful)
What if an artistic movie could not be shown on TV, even though it would begin with explicit warnings about its content, due to the after-the-fact censorship performed by the FCC? [cnn.com]