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Russia Extends Edward Snowden's Asylum To 2020, To Offer Citizenship Next Year (cnn.com) 278

Whistleblower and former U.S. intelligence contractor Edward Snowden has been allowed to remain in Russia for another three years and will next year qualify to apply for Russian citizenship. From a report on CNN: Edward Snowden's leave to remain in Russia has been extended until 2020, Russia's Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova has confirmed to CNN. Snowden, a former US National Security Agency contractor, sought asylum in Russia in June 2013 after leaking volumes of information on American intelligence and surveillance operations to the media. On Tuesday, Zakharova announced an extension of a "couple of years" in a Facebook post that criticized former CIA acting director Michael Morell for an opinion piece he wrote suggesting that Russian President Vladimir Putin should consider returning Snowden to the United States as "the perfect inauguration gift" to President-elect Donald Trump. Snowden settled in Moscow after initially traveling to Hong Kong following his 2013 public disclosure of classified information. The Russian government granted him asylum soon after. In August 2014, Snowden received a three-year extension to his leave to remain in Russia. That extension was due to expire this year.
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Russia Extends Edward Snowden's Asylum To 2020, To Offer Citizenship Next Year

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  • by sjbe ( 173966 ) on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @01:26PM (#53689909)

    Since Trump and Putin are BFFs, then Trump should pardon Snowden for helping both Russia and America deal with the NSA which Trump doesn't trust anyway.

    • Since Trump and Putin are BFFs, then Trump should pardon Snowden for helping both Russia and America deal with the NSA which Trump doesn't trust anyway.

      That would certainly complicate a lot of people's opinions of Donald Trump around here.

      • One good deed (Score:5, Insightful)

        by sjbe ( 173966 ) on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @01:53PM (#53690105)

        That would certainly complicate a lot of people's opinions of Donald Trump around here.

        Not for me. I'd still think he was an asshole who has no business being president. One good deed doesn't excuse a lifetime of douchebaggery.

    • I expected Putin to hand Snowden over to Trump, who has only ever called Snowden a traitor. "As a sign of improving relations between our two great nations we return this criminal to you that you may serve justice." Putin only ever kept Snowden to embarrass Obama. I find this recent turn of events confusing. But as I mostly support Snowden I'm not displeased.

    • Snowden != Assange; NSA != CIA

      Snowden, unlike Assange, did nothing for Trump in the election: in fact, he tried to debunk Trump's claim that it was impossible for the FBI to go through all those Wiener laptop Clinton emails. So Trump has no reason to do anything for him. What does surprise me is if Obama could commute the sentence of Manning, why not pardon Snowden as well? Both are traitors, so why should one get preferential treatment over the others?

      Trump's lack of trust is for the CIA, which brou

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    • by Archangel Michael ( 180766 ) on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @02:04PM (#53690179) Journal

      Replace "Hacked the democratic process" with "Exposed Democratic(DNC) process to hack the election" and you'd be right.

      The HRC loss can be firmly placed on HRC, The Democrats, the MSM and a few RINOs, By all measures, Trump should have lost, and "bigly", but enough people hated HRC, the Democrats and the MSM to ... actually ... not vote for them. I know, it is SHOCKING that Trump won. But consider that HRC was the ONLY candidate the DNC could have put up that he could actually beat.

      This isn't the Russians fault at all. But keep on blaming them all you can, and you'll never really understand why the Democrats keep losing ... bigly.

      • The HRC loss can be firmly placed on HRC, The Democrats, the MSM and a few RINOs, By all measures, Trump should have lost, and "bigly", but enough people hated HRC, the Democrats and the MSM to ... actually ... not vote for them. I know, it is SHOCKING that Trump won. But consider that HRC was the ONLY candidate the DNC could have put up that he could actually beat.

        This isn't the Russians fault at all. But keep on blaming them all you can, and you'll never really understand why the Democrats keep losing ... bigly.

        This is a half-truth. Yes, Hillary is very corrupt and unlikable and cheated in the primaries. She did lots of underhanded things. HOWEVER, Russian interference REVEALED these truths about Hillary which consequentially caused her to lose the election to a bumbling idiot, but that's besides the point.

        Russians played a part here, regardless of how awful HRC is. Good or bad? I dunno. Right now it just is. She is corrupt and Russian interference revealed it. Let's be honest with ourselves here.

      • by TopherC ( 412335 )

        Several problems were exposed in the 2016 election. Well, "exposed" is not really true since they were evident in the past as well, but they stand center-stage today.

        One is that propaganda won, and bigly! Reading the /. posts in this story alone, it's obvious that there are two non-overlapping versions of history in the minds of Americans. The vilification of both Trump and Hillary was effective beyond reason. Ever heard the term "Crooked Hillary" before? Does repetition make it true? Survey says "Yes!" I h

  • Strange Logic (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Oswald McWeany ( 2428506 ) on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @01:44PM (#53690031)

    I don't understand the logic behind pardoning Manning but not Snowden.

    Snowden was very careful about how he released material not to get people hurt, the information he released was relevant and sincere whistle-blowing, not just random data dumps from sensitive sources.

    Manning was just a show-off trying to data-dump anything she could get her hands on without a greater purpose in mind. She did it because she could, not because she had any morale compass.

    Snowden should be the one forgiven and returned to the US public sector, not Manning. Obama got this one backwards.

    • Re:Strange Logic (Score:5, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @01:57PM (#53690129)

      Posting AC because I've moderated.

      President Obama did not pardon Manning. He commuted her sentence. Commuting leaves the crime and punishment intact but reduces the time spent in jail.

      A pardon essentially wipes the crime from the person's record. This CNN article [cnn.com] explains more clearly the difference between the two acts:

      A presidential commutation reduces the sentence being served but it does not change the fact of conviction, whereas a pardon forgives a certain criminal offense.

      • You are, of course, correct, but still, he's showing leniency to a criminal and letting a hero continue to be on the hook.

        • You are, of course, correct, but still, he's showing leniency to a criminal and letting a hero continue to be on the hook.

          Manning stood trial and served an unusually harsh punishment due to her transgender condition. And while her leaks were politically damaging (and did put the lives of sources in danger) she didn't impair the functioning of the security apparatus.

          Snowden fled the country and took up residence with two rival powers. His leaks also exposed a lot of the NSA's surveillance apparatus and really set back their ability to gather legitimate intelligence (while of course exposing a lot of wrong-doing).

          I'm personally

          • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

            Either way I can understand why someone can be in favour of commuting Manning's sentence while continuing to pursue the capture of Snowden.

            Well, that's because Snowden has not been convicted yet.

            Manning was convicted and sent to jail. Her sentence was 35 years, and commuted to 7.

            Snowden has not yet been convicted of anything, and thus is not serving any sentence. There is nothing to commute as he hasn't been sentenced yet. And he can't be sentenced until he's been convicted. And he can't be convicted until

    • Snowden was very careful about how he released material not to get people hurt, the information he released was relevant and sincere whistle-blowing, not just random data dumps from sensitive sources.

      Not all of it, though. I appreciated the stuff about the government illegally spying on US citizens. But Snowden also revealed stuff about spying on foreign citizens and governments that's perfectly within the purview of our intelligence agencies.

      Also we have no idea what else he gave Greenwald. For all we know you pardon Snowden today and then tomorrow Glen says "oh by the way here's the US nuclear launch codes Ed gave me." (obvious hyperbole but you get the idea).

      Manning is similar. You say "no greater pu

    • This has a pretty good case for Manning: https://lawfareblog.com/obama-... [lawfareblog.com]
    • by JustNiz ( 692889 )

      >> Obama got this one backwards.

      Totally agree.

    • Manning was just a show-off

      Which is why she did it anonymously......?

      trying to data-dump anything she could get her hands on without a greater purpose in mind.

      You mean she didn't have time nor the resources to sort the data. Either she'd still be doing that today, or would have leak bits and pieces, increasing the chances of the government finding out.

      In any case, it's a sad commentary on the human condition that you are concerned with the propriety of the leaker but the crimes revealed by said leaker jus

      • She didn't just distribute information showing abuses though- she distributed everything she could get her hands on without care. Snowden managed to strip out information dangerous to individuals- Manning was in it "for the lulz", to use a phrase from that approximate time. Intent is the main difference here.

        Of course some of the things she uncovered were horrendous and if that's all she did, and if she did it to draw attention to those issues, I would be forgiving of her too.

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      • by swb ( 14022 )

        Commuting the sentence to what amounts effectively to release from prison is pretty much a soft pardon. It doesn't get you the civil rights restoration that a pardon gets, and that's largely a sop to those who claim Manning was a traitor.

        But really, how is serving only 7 years of a 35 year prison sentence not some kind of refutation of the government's case against Manning, especially when it results in getting out of jail?

        It would be more of a statement that the government didn't approve to commute the se

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          • by swb ( 14022 )

            I've seen a lot of accusations that Manning's imprisonment was "like" torture, but I can't find anything that demonstrates actual torture -- beatings, electrocutions, waterboarding, that sort of thing.

    • I don't understand the logic behind pardoning Manning but not Snowden.

      Amen. Heck, I don't understand pardoning Nixon and not Manning, Snowden, and a whole bunch of other people.

    • I don't understand the logic behind pardoning Manning but not Snowden.

      Let me help you understand: Manning confessed to his crimes, faced the music and accepted consequences of her actions. She has expressed remorse, and admits what she did was wrong.

      Snowden has admitted to his crimes, but he is fugitive. He has not faced the music, he has not accepted the consequences of his actions. Snowden insist what he did was right and he did it in the right way. This is the fly in the soup for a pardon. If Snowden ever expects to return to the USA, he's going to have to face the c

    • My take:

      Obama is a Democrat. The President and the DNC accuse Russia of fixing the election in favor of the Republicans and Trump. The person that apparently facilitated that (or at least leaking the information) was Assange through Wikileaks. Wikileaks previously come out and said that Assange would surrender himself to the US if they granted Manning leniency.

      Manning has already plead guilty (sort of anyway) and has served time in jail which so far at the US is concerned a public win. Obama didn't have to

    • Obama's excuse is that Manning at least went to trial, was convicted, and has shown remorse. I think both should be pardoned, personally, but Obama really seems to want to show Snowden that he's still in power.
    • Manning was just a show-off trying to data-dump anything she could get her hands on without a greater purpose in mind. She did it because she could, not because she had any morale compass.

      According to Manning in her final statements:

      I believe that if the general public, especially the American public, had access to the information contained within the CIDNE-I and CIDNE-A tables, this could spark a domestic debate on the role of the military and our foreign policy in general as [missed word] as it related to Iraq and Afghanistan.

      I also believed the detailed analysis of the data over a long period of time by different sectors of society might cause society to reevaluate the need or even the desire to even to engage in counterterrorism and counterinsurgency operations that ignore the complex dynamics of the people living in the effected environment every day.

      When someone claims a purpose that matches his actions it seems wrong to claim they didn't have a purpose. Manning's leaks were what actually took the troops out of Iraq, when their government was forced to threaten taking American criminals to international court. Stratfor leaks relating to Syria show that officials believed the public would not support air attack without media attention to a massacre [wikileaks.org]. Obama bombarded Libya without congressional approval.
      She not

  • by micahraleigh ( 2600457 ) on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @02:00PM (#53690151)
    43% of likely voters said federal corruption was the issue that affected their decision the most.

    Trump owes his election to some extent on the Snowden revelations which caused ordinary Americans to diminish their view of the government, especially under the administration.

    Make him head of the FBI or something like that. Let him throw out with impunity the critters who monitor the emails.
    • Snowden != Assange

      One person in this election already talked about giving Snowden a cabinet position, and no, it wasn't Trump. It was Jill Stein. While Assange timed his leaks to hurt Clinton every way possible, Snowden was actually supportive of the Dems, like when he debunked Trump's claim that those Wiener laptop emails couldn't have all been scanned in 1 week

  • Not Surprising (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Daetrin ( 576516 ) on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @02:12PM (#53690245)
    Putin has many reasons to hold on to Snowden and almost no reasons to turn him over to the US.

    Turning him over to the US _might_ curry favor with Trump, however
    A: Trump is too inconsistent for something like that to have a dependable long term effect, and
    B: More importantly we're pretty sure Putin already owns Trump, probably along multiple lines. You don't need to curry favor with your pawns.
    C: And whether Putin owns Trump or not, it certainly doesn't benefit him to _appear_ as if he owns Trump any more than he can avoid, and sending him Snowden as an "inauguration gift" would definitely lend itself to that appearance.

    On the other hand, Snowden is an embarrassment to the US (or more accurately, he brought to light and continues to emphasize the way in which the US has embarrassed itself) which is valuable PR for Russia. Even if Putin owns the president it never hurts to have multiple lines of attack available.

    Keeping Snowden in good standing encourages other people who might have negative information about the US or whose mere existence and freedom might embarrass the US to look to Putin for support, potentially giving him more ammunition in the future.

    And as long as he has Snowden under his control Putin can always offer him up as a bargaining chip in the event that the puppet strings on Trump fail and he really needs to make a deal for some reason. (At which point of course the FSB will suddenly discover evidence that Snowden has been betraying Putin all along, so that it won't be a betrayal on Putin's part to return him to the US.)

    Or alternately if he orders Trump to do something for Russia that is so outrageous that it strains credulity he can offer up Snowden as an excuse for Trump making the deal. (Again, shortly after the FSB "discovers" evidence against Snowden.)
  • by hackel ( 10452 )

    Does Snowden actually have permission to work in Russia? How is he getting by these days? Is the Russian government supporting him in any way, providing housing, etc.? I'm really glad he's at least getting by, even if he has to live in exile. I'm sure he just wants to find a way to get on with his life after doing such an incredible service to his country.

  • by DirkDaring ( 91233 ) on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @05:37PM (#53691835)

    Why did he take so many sensitive documents that had nothing whatsoever to do with domestic surveillance?
    Why did he choose first to go to Hong Kong instead of a country that didn't have an extradition policy with the US?
    Why did he lie about how much money he made on Ars Technia?
    Why did he go on a obscenity filled tirade against Ben Bernanke when he lost 20k in the stock market?
    Why did he alter his employee evaluation in the CIA which he ended up being forced to resign over?
    Why did he steal the CIAs administrative answers before taking his employment test?
    Why did he claim that he had the authority to intercept President Obama's private communications while working at the NSA?
    Why would he claim that while he's touted as the champion of domestic surveillance?
    Why did he steal and release documents on specific techniques that were used to intercept Taliban communications?
    How was he able to board a flight to Russia without a required visa?

  • His asylum expires at the same time as Windows 7 support. I guess Russia will also be upgrading to a newer whistleblower then.

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