North Korean Missile Raised To Firing Position, Says US Official

An anonymous reader writes with this snippet from CNN: "North Korea has raised at least one missile into its upright firing position, feeding concerns that a launch is imminent, a U.S. official told CNN Thursday. This comes as the world continued to keep watch for a possible missile launch by the secretive government, and a day before U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry is expected to arrive in the region. In the latest daily tough talk from the North, a government agency is quoted by the state-run media as saying that 'war can break out any moment.'"

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[earlzdotnet]

Sounds like a perfect excuse for a preemptive strike

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[schivvers]

I believe this would fall under the "stuff that matters" part of the slogan.

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[jadv]

Preemptive strikes are only allowed on targets approved by the Halliburton Company.

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[Anonymous Coward]

And what would you chest-thumping neocon thugs offer as an alternative? Remember, they don't have any oil, so "ten year invasion" isn't really a good answer.

should've quoted down more

[rjejr]

Here's the paragraphs further down the page - "After the raising of the missile Wednesday, it was not clear to U.S. officials why the North Korean government did not proceed with the firing. The U.S. official cautioned that the raising of the missile could have been just a trial run to ensure the equipment works or an effort to "mess" with the United States and the allies that are watching for a launch at any time." This happened yesterday. If it was important there would have been at least 1 big explosion by now.

it's been a week thus far?

[TerraFrost]

Five days ago North Korea was moving their missiles [foxnews.com] and they're only now getting them in firing position? How long does it take to ready a missile? Seems like the US had patriot missiles halfway across the world in South Korea in less time than it's taken the North thus far.

Where's China?

[sgage]

China has been growing in economic and military influence, and seems to want to be taken seriously. If that is the case, this is their moment. They could put an end to this nonsense in a minute. They need to understand that it would be in their own national interest to smack this puppy on the snout, fast and sharp. If they just let it fester, and it leads to armed conflict, they will lose face.

There are just so many ways that this can go wrong...

No sources quoted - none.

[xxxJonBoyxxx]

Isn't it awesome that we have entire news stories telling us we're on the precipice of war - without one single person quoted? CNN doesn't even bother to include a tag like "quoted on condition of anonymity" anymore - they just take their directions from the White House press office and fill in "official" wherever it would have made sense to have a real person substantiating a dubious claim.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Not really. Right now, the US is spending money dealing with this issue while China quietly goes about its own objectives. Like a good game of 'Go', often the proper response to activity on one side of the board is to ignore it and continue to build on the opposite side. North Korea provides a good distraction and they know enough to realize that lil Kim is just putting on a show for his people.

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[emho24]

Worried? No
Tired of war? Yes
Tired of hearing the rhetoric? Yes

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[Archangel Michael]

So, when Obama preempts an attack on NK, you'll know he has been bought by Halliburton. Then what?

I know, you guys on the left think there is an actual difference between (R) and (D), but being a (L), it is really hard to distinguish between More Government and More Government.

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[X0563511]

Yes, detonating nukes nextdoor to China - what could possibly go wrong?

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[interval1066]

If by "leveling Seoul" you mean marching that rediculous million man army armed with Soviet-era weapons across the parallel, sure, let's see how that goes.

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[X0563511]

Al Qaeda: actually attacked us.
Iraq: no comment. I think this one was stupid as well.
North Korea: China's autistic little brother.

Surely you might see why blowing up NK might not be a wise choice...

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[Anonymous Coward]

i predict that will never happen even if North Korea launches their missiles.

neither China, Japan, nor South Korea will be happy about the radioactive wasteland next to them, or the radioactive fallout from the attack.

then there would be outcry from everywhere that we needlessly killed civilians

and a long list of other reasons.

we will never launch a single nuke at North Korea.

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[silviuc]

At least they don't say "yo dawg, they got chemical weapons and they're gonna' use 'em. Honest to GOD!!". They tuned it down to "they raised their missiles first. we decided a preemptive strike was the way to go". It's also cheaper than the charade with the military searching for something that never existed in the first place.

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[interval1066]

Uh, I disagree. Damage, yes, like a bulk in a China shop. Like a chainsaw massacre, probably not.

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[metlin]

In International Relations, we call this "audience cost". American population is pretty much war-weary at this point, and no sane politician would ever start a war or risk aggression and conflict.

North Korea is counting on this. The chances of them attacking are pretty slim, and they are just posturing in an attempt to force us to give them better terms (be nice, or else...) -- except that we are calling their bluff.

And the more we call their bluff, the more aggressive their posturing becomes. Eventually, one of our allies will either step in or ask for help, and that's when we will head to the negotiating tables.

Either way, this is nothing new. The US goes through cycles of war and war-weariness. In about a decade, we'll be back, carpet bombing some random country for imagined slights.

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[localman57]

Hypocritical would be if we constantly threatened to nuke Mexico, then told NK to knock it off.

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[phantomfive]

North Korea acted like this three years ago, five years ago, seven years ago, fifteen years ago....this is how they act. It's not about war weariness in the US.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Yeah, tell that to the Iraqis and Afghans...

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[Anonymous Coward]

Also, remind me again, who's the one threaning to start the war? Who's the one setting missiles ready? Oh, but you are just on dogooder, who doesn't understand who the asshole in this shit is. I'll tell you, it's NK, and i just wish someboby should bomb the shit out of them. Since china has been so relucdant to do anything about this situation, i say let them fucking handle this shit. NK needs to be put in it's position. Fuck them and fuck china for letting this shit go on for so long.

This is not on USA.

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[PraiseBob]

No. Intelligence reports suggest that they can't fit a nuclear warhead on any kind of missile with decent range. Plus, their missile tests are falling way short of reaching anywhere but South Korea, China, and maybe Japan, and their test success ratio has been low.

There is basically no scenario in which North Korea can start a war and "win". The regime can kill a bunch of people at the cost of their own lives, but that is something only religious fanatics do. They are bluffing to get sanctions lifted, and clearly trying to bluff the US into a pre-emptive strike, in order to paint themselves as a victim. It won't work, but they don't realize it because their analysts work for a totalitarian regime and can't provide the unvarnished truth to the leadership.

It's a sad situation all around. I mostly just pity the north korean people for their inept leaders.

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[jitterman]

I can't entirely disagree with that sentiment. However, we aren't threatening to start a nuclear, all-out no-holds-barred attack on them either.

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[Anonymous Coward]

I don't think you understand that high explosives don't give two shits about when a building was constructed.

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[MaWeiTao]

The regime can kill a bunch of people at the cost of their own lives, but that is something only religious fanatics do.

Keep telling yourself that.

North Korea would be far more successful in getting their way by opening up and being friendly, even if it were a facade, than the current tactic. They shut down a facility that was pumping tens of millions of dollars directly into their coffers. So it's hard to see any logic behind what North Korea is doing.

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[lgw]

All politics is local. As I see it, the son is making these ever-more-silly threats as moves on an internal-politics chessboard, trying to retain the power his dad accumulated.

If you think his rants are being ignored, I'd say that's missing his actual objective. People around him are judging him by his rants, and the outside world isn't really the audience for them.

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[Somebody Is Using My]

At least not until North Korea is defeated and South Korea is left with the unhappy task of trying to integrate their economies and cultures.

Germany faced a similar problem when the Communist Bloc collapsed and East and West Germany were re-united, but at least that unification didn't start with open warfare and didn't require them to undo three generations of increasingly strident anti-Seoul propoganda. Plus, they still had Poland as a buffer between them and Russia (which was facing its own set of problems at the time, too). But it's economy was weakened and pushed into a deep recession before it finally recovered

A unified Korea, though, will have all sorts of problems in the beginning. It might end up - in twenty years - as an amazing economic superpower but the interim is likely to be quite painful. At least the Germany's economies were similar (both were highly industrialized). What does North Korea have to offer South Korea except for problems? Millions of untrained, starving peasants bred to hate their cousins? A decaying infrastructure that will soon be a century out of date? A border with the century's next superpower? Such a task might not just ruin the south's economy; it might push it over into an abyss causing enough chaos from which alternatives like the Kim's long regime seem sane in comparison.

I don't envy South Korea, I really don't. Their options seem equally shitty at the moment: either live with an increasingly unpredictable madman to the north, or junk their economy for half a generation. And sadly, no matter which they way they chose, it still seems as if they may face a massive loss of life. I imagine at this point their sole hope is that Kim family gets thrown out and replaced by a more sensible group who are willing to gradually integrate the two countries into a unified natio Alas, the likelihood of that happening - especially without the massive loss of life - seems increasingly slim.

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[runeghost]

Does having "our closest ally" constantly threaten to nuke Iran count?

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[Anonymous Coward]

Comparing us to NK? You're a moron. We aren't acting like psycho nut jobs threatening other countries.

What, you mean by forcing other countries to adopt your absurd copyright laws? Tying your foreign aid to making sure people don't get birth control? Sending Monsanto crop as food aid and telling people they can't keep see to plant another crop? Installing a new dictator because he claims to be friendly to the US but still treats the citizens like shit? Refusal to abide by WTO rulings that goes against you and claiming it's not legitimate, but using it to suit your own purposes? The whole Iraq war which has been proven to have been started for fabricated reasons? Spying on other countries? Extraordinary rendition whereby people are kidnapped out of countries without any oversight? Bombing civilians and calling it cost of doing business? Generally acting like assholes like Americans are want to do?

Sorry pal, the US may not be quite as beligerant as NK, but you're hardly keeping your fingers out of pies.

Sorry, but American foreign policy has been on the edge of 'psycho nut job' for decades now. The tendency to treat everyone else on the planet as subservient to yourselves, and lots of other things.

Individually, America has some really nice people. Collectively, America is full of assholes. It ends up causing an awful lot of people to decide "fuck you guys".

Somehow you have an expectation that the rest of the world is here to support US interests when you refuse to acknowledge the interests of other countries.

You're the moron.

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[Archangel Michael]

There is little difference between extreme right wing and extreme left wing, and most of the area in between. Both sides are for greater Government control in people's lives, just in different areas. The real sad thing is, if you give government control over one area, it inevitably bleeds into more areas as its desire to consume rights increases. When people fear their government, there is something wrong. THIS is what most people don't get.

Please notice, Obama has done absolutely nothing in regard to all those polices left wingers complained about GWB about (rightly so), and as often as is the case, has actually expanded those policies. Where is the outrage? Oh right, Obama passed ObamaCare so all is forgiven "He is better than GWB" line of pointlessness comes spewing forth from the mouths and keyboards of left wing drones.

And we are just now finding out how much of a clusterfuck ObamaCare actually is, doing nothing that was promise except taking freedom from people and assigning more intrusiveness by the IRS. "But it is universal health care, yay that is good" line of crap is just stupid, bad laws doing bad things is never good, even if the goal is admirable. Doctors are quitting, because they can't afford to provide care for free, which is what ObamaCare is doing, Insurance Premiums are increasing even faster to cover the losses being imposed by ObamaCare, the Insurance Exchanges are costing twice what they thought and aren't providing any new services or getting people insured better. The whole thing is broken, but rather than scrap it, left wingers want to "fix it". You can't fix rose tinted viewpoints. These things NEVER work out as advertised and yet people keep believing it. You can't make this stuff up, and you can't fix stupid.

So, yeah, i have a bit of disdain for those people who think that increasing government intrusion into the day to day lives of average people is a good thing, be they Right Wing or Left Wing.

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[Reverand Dave]

Individually, America has some really nice people. Collectively, America is full of assholes. It ends up causing an awful lot of people to decide "fuck you guys".

Now while I can't argue directly with this I can say that the majority of the problem is that America is run by a bunch of assholes not so much full of assholes. While I do strongly consider myself an asshole of sorts I take slight offense to having the majority of my country placed in the same category as me.

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[Ksevio]

There's always going to be the extreme libertarian view that Government should be abolished and everyone should fend for themselves, but countries with GOOD governments tend to be much better than countries with little or bad governments. Now I'm not saying the US has the best government, but it's not a bad one (despite some bad things it does) and it won't help to cut it down so it just functions less efficiently.

The mess of the health care act was because of the TeaParty/GOP/libertarians that are actually in favor of millions of people dying as a legitimate solution. It may sound crazy - because it is. Pretty much all other developed countries manage to provide health care to their citizens, but in the US we're worried about "death panels" killing off grandma and providing health care to women so we can't go there. ObamaCare was a first step - get everyone to have some sort of health care. A single payer would likely be more efficient than running through insurance companies, but that's too scary for some. We very much need more health care reform, but while some are offering solutions in reforms that will cover more people and bring down costs, others think the best solution is to drop tens of millions of people from the system and "scrap it". The system we had was fairly poor for those with money and horrible for those without - and costs were going up, yet people keep believing it's the American way that we should go back to. You can't make this stuff up, and you can't fix stupid.

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[kaatochacha]

You know, a country with a perfectly benevolent dictator is the ultimately perfect government, but the risk for corruption is so huge we try not be dictatorial. Same thing applies with your statement: yes, a really nice happy government controlling everything peacefully would be great. your objective should be to have the government have just enough power to do it's job, but no more. The argument should be over where that line is.

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[Archangel Michael]

If you don't understand the libertarian point of view, then please do not parrot the left wing "people are going to die, grandma is going to eat dog food, do it for the children" scare tactics. I don't buy it.

Specifically, on Health Care issues, I don't have a problem providing IMMEDIATE life saving help to people, free of charge. In fact, we had that. I am not opposed to helping out a kid who is dying of cancer, get help.

What I am opposed is Government telling me, or anyone else, that I have to pay for Paul to become Pauline because S/he is a prisoner and that is "basic human right". I am opposed to the guy who eats nothing but McD's and being 300 lbs overweight getting a triple bypass on my dime. I'm opposed to smoking being considered "Pre-existing condition". Sorry, I'm not heartless, I'm just realistic that "free" isn't really "free". You like 32 Soda bans in New York City? I don't, even if it is for the good of everyone. We don't need a fucking Nanny State.

ObamaCare was not marketed as a first step, it was marketed as the "fix it all solution". As a first step(towards what??) , it would never have passed. If you want Universal Care, move to France or wherever, you are free to leave. I don't want it here, I've seen what it really means and it is just as ugly(possibly worse), but with a bit a "feel goodism" added in.

The basic premise of "universal health care" is flawed and will break down. The only reason it has any resemblance of working now, is because the US still leads the world in medical innovation. Take the US out of the equation, and all medical advancements come to a snails pace. Of course, you'll reject this notion.

Meanwhile Europe is going broke, along with the rest of the world (except China and Russia), under the weight of Socialistic market controls. And don't bother comparing small Scandinavian countries with monolithic culture, who's population isn't that of New York City, to the whole of the US of A, which is the size of all of Europe (population, area ....), and has varied cultures from Boston to Georgia, to Texas to California to Washington.

Some people don't grasp the fact that One Size doesn't fit all.

Of course, feel free to keep promoting systems that are breaking down.

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[Borg453b]

Agreed.

"We don't need a fucking Nanny State. ObamaCare was not marketed as a first step, it was marketed as the "fix it all solution". As a first step(towards what??) , it would never have passed. If you want Universal Care, move to France or wherever, you are free to leave. I don't want it here, I've seen what it really means and it is just as ugly(possibly worse), but with a bit a "feel goodism" added in."

Personally I tire of hearing the "nanny state" rhetoric and the oh-so-democratic 'my-way-or-the-high-way' rant. I doubt neither an ultra-libertarian or a completely centralized system will lead society anywhere you'd like to live - but when the outset is overly polarized, you can only ever see the extremes. Balance people.