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Pirate Party Becomes a Registered Political Party In Australia 122

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First time accepted submitter norpy writes "The Australian branch of the pirate party has today announced that their registration as a political party has been successful. According to the announcement the party will now turn its attention to selection of candidates and development of policies for the upcoming federal election. 'Organising and validating a membership database to then submit to the AEC for the purposes of registration is a daunting task. Fortunately, we had a team of volunteers who were prepared to spend many weekends ensuring that the list we sent to the AEC was entirely valid, and I thank them for their effort,' said Brendan Molloy, Secretary of Pirate Party Australia."
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  • Same in Norway. (Score:5, Informative)

    by p43751 (170402) on Monday January 21, 2013 @06:17AM (#42645443)

    The Norwegian Pirateparty got enough signatures andis also now a legal party that will be in the 2013 election.

    • by Viol8 (599362) on Monday January 21, 2013 @07:55AM (#42645755)

      ... the kids running it might realise that adults who have to work for a living have more important things to worry about than whether they can download music and video for free. You know, minor things like healthcare, education, the economy etc etc...

      • by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 21, 2013 @08:08AM (#42645801)

        ... the kids running it might realise that adults who have to work for a living have more important things to worry about than whether they can download music and video for free. You know, minor things like healthcare, education, the economy etc etc...

        By the time healthcare becomes an issue for that generation they'll be able to download pirated plans for medical droids off the internet and print them out on their 3D printers. I'm also pretty sure that by then uploading knowledge directly into your brain will have become a reality. As for 'mainstream economics', these will have been superseded by Warcraft economics and we'll all be able to support ourselves by mining for bitcoins online.

      • by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 21, 2013 @08:29AM (#42645873)

        Because there's no difference between any of the candidates and therefore the only reason to vote for ANY of them is for single issue elements.

        And if there's a close election where a seat was won or lost by a thousand votes, TPP getting several thousand votes will show where either one can make a difference. If those votes had gone to THEM, they'd have won.

        PS why can't you download public domain music and video for free? And where do you get your free interenet access from?

        • by mcgrew (92797) * on Monday January 21, 2013 @09:49AM (#42646291) Homepage Journal

          PS why can't you download public domain music and video for free? And where do you get your free interenet access from?

          Here [archive.org] is your free public domain library, and you can get free internet access via wi-fi at a lot of places; bars, McDonalds, Laundromats, etc. Often there are private persons who deliberately leave their systems open as well.

      • by hawkinspeter (831501) on Monday January 21, 2013 @08:32AM (#42645883)
        So, which party do you recommend that has an "adult" focus and aren't just a bunch of liars?
      • by Laglorden (87845) on Monday January 21, 2013 @08:47AM (#42645943) Journal

        Or maybe they are already mature enough to realise it's not about downloading music and video for free but rather about mankinds future.

        You know, minor things like freedom, innovation and mankinds future survival in the long run.

        All our progress so far has been dependant on refining things already done, and when the patent system stops this rather than helping it might mean that in the future we will get less innovation -> human will devolvle and die.

        (And we will also get less music, film and other culture, but that's survivable)

        • by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 21, 2013 @08:57AM (#42645981)

          All our progress so far has been dependant on refining things already done

          Bullshit

          Original thought. If you're lucky, you'll have one

          • by fredprado (2569351) on Monday January 21, 2013 @09:18AM (#42646107)
            Please my good sir. Show me one single thing that is purely original and does not consist in 99.999% of public knowledge. The little "originality" you add to something does not give you the right to sequestrate it from public domain, from where it mostly came.
            • by Viol8 (599362) on Monday January 21, 2013 @09:50AM (#42646293)

              "Show me one single thing that is purely original and does not consist in 99.999% of public knowledge."

              Were you born yesterday or what?

              Telegraph, Radio, Photography, babbages difference engine, penicillin, probably the fucking wheel were all original ideas in their time with almost NO prior art. And do you seriously think the industrial revolution was purely a linear evolution from horses and carts?

              As the OP said, one day you might have an original thought but I won't be holding my breath.

              • by fredprado (2569351) on Monday January 21, 2013 @12:17PM (#42647743)
                Absolutely nothing of this would be possible without all the mathematics, physics and chemistry developed before, which amounted for most of these "discoveries", as I said. To add even more to my point, all of these inventions you used as examples were about and in the process to be invented by someone else other than their creators when they were patented. The creators just did it a bit faster.
          • by hawkinspeter (831501) on Monday January 21, 2013 @09:23AM (#42646137)
            My, what an elegant and sophisticated argument you're presenting there. You've completely convinced me now; I always thought that "standing on the shoulders of giants" sounded unfeasible. I mean, how many giants do you see around these days? New York Giants? They're not going to be able play American Football very well with everyone stood on their shoulders.
        • by Viol8 (599362) on Monday January 21, 2013 @09:55AM (#42646337)

          "Or maybe they are already mature enough to realise it's not about downloading music and video for free but rather about mankinds future."

          LOL :o) Oh please, spare me the feeble self justifying party line that people like you spout

          "You know, minor things like freedom, innovation and mankinds future survival in the long run."

          Didn't you just say that? Or have you run out of argument already?

          "All our progress so far has been dependant on refining things already done,"

          Not everything , and whats that got to do with no paying for content that someone else took time to create? You can dress it up as some magnanimous gift for mankind that you're selflessly endowing upon The People(tm) if you like but you're not fooling anyone.

          "and when the patent system stops"

          The patent system in the USA. The rest of the world doesn't give a shit.

          • by Laglorden (87845) on Monday January 21, 2013 @10:55AM (#42646877) Journal

            You know, when Disney makes a re-spin of "a Christmas carol", they are using something in the public domain to create something "new", that's good, but then they buy the politicians to make sure they never have to give it back to the public domain, that's not good (for anyone except Disney's shareholders, and not them either).

            When General Motors patents for example battery technology and uses it, not for doing anything themselves, but suing everybody who tries to make something that's bad.

            The copyright/patent system should work like it was INTENDED, to encourage human development, not the other way around. It's vital that is does.

            I worry we will enter another "dark ages" time when human development goes backward instead of forward, due to "Intellectual Property Rights". That could lead to millions or billions dead or never born, it could lead to that humankind never reach the stars but instead dies on this planet".

            It's a bit more than being able to download music for free, and it's much much more important than the media maffios wallets you seem to be protecting.

            • by Viol8 (599362) on Monday January 21, 2013 @12:42PM (#42648075)

              "and it's much much more important than the media maffios wallets you seem to be protecting."

              Oh right, I disagree with your point of view so obviously I must be working for The Man.

              Grow up.

              • by Laglorden (87845) on Monday January 21, 2013 @01:21PM (#42648435) Journal

                That's something you inferred yourself, I just said you seem to be protecting the media maffia, I don't know why, that you are paid by them is something you yourself said.

                "Grow up" is obviously something you use as an insult when arguments fail.

                I'm probably more "grown up" than you (think) both physically and mentally, since I have thought this through and don't think it's about "downloading music for free" that you seem to think it's a question what kind of society we want. A society that rewards invention but limits the bad things that have cropped up with the patent system, a society where we don't have totalitarian control but freedom of speech.

                But since you think the various Pirate Parties is only about "downloading stuff for free" I can understand you point of view, however it's not particularly "mature" or informed about the reality. So "grow up" or at least read what the Pirate Party/Parties really think should happen and think things through before further showing your ignorance is my suggestion. I'm not affliated with any PP I just think there the best option out there to preserve our freedom to communicate (even if that means "kids" can download music for free), reform the patent system for the future and also get the most/best amount of culture.

                I'm for the artists, inventors and a free society and against the media maffia, copyright trolls/abusers and people who want's to create a repressive society. Simple as that.

                • by Viol8 (599362) on Tuesday January 22, 2013 @06:34AM (#42655251)

                  "that you are paid by them is something you yourself said."

                  Err, care to cut and paste where I said that?

                  "I'm probably more "grown up" than you (think) both physically and mentally,"

                  Boasting about physical prowess is something teenagers tend to do. Well done on proving my point.

                  "I'm for the artists, inventors and a free society and against the media maffia, copyright trolls/abusers and people who want's to create a repressive society. Simple as that."

                  If you had a clue what copyright actually was I might listen to your arguments. You clearly don't, so I won't.

                  • by Laglorden (87845) on Tuesday January 22, 2013 @07:02AM (#42655341) Journal

                    "Oh right, I disagree with your point of view so obviously I must be working for The Man."

                    There you go.

                    I wasn't boasting about physical prowess, just saying I'm probably more "grown up" than you but in years and mentally. Yelling "Grow up!" is something teenagers do or at least something people without other arguments do.

                    Let's just see the fact that you havn't argued against any of my points, just tried personal attacks again and again. So, it's quite clear that you don't know what you are talking about and furthermore have no interest in finding out. Which is quite sad, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

                    • by Viol8 (599362) on Tuesday January 22, 2013 @10:27AM (#42656401)

                      "There you go."

                      Google "sarcasm".

                      "but in years and mentally. "

                      No mature adults equates file sharing with the future of mankind. That type of hyperbolic exaggeration is strictly the province of lunatics and squawking adolescents.

                      "Yelling "Grow up!" is something teenagers do or at least something people without other arguments do."

                      Actually its something parents do to kids. I've done it quite a few times. No reason not to use it on here when I see the same sort of rubbish being spouted.

                      "you can lead a horse to water "

                      You couldn't lead a dog to a bone.

  • by sd4f (1891894) on Monday January 21, 2013 @06:28AM (#42645489)
    Shooters party, pirate party and KAP, now i need to make a decision! Good thing we have preferential voting, looks like i'm going to have to number below the line for the table cloth vote.
    • by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 21, 2013 @07:01AM (#42645603)

      It hurts knowing valid or invalid vote, the turkeys who get in get 'electoral funding money' of about $2.50 per vote (each house). So I will put the nutter parties first, in the hope some of the electoral funding does NOT come to the majors. I may even have to join, so if challenged, the kook party really does have that many members.

      The policy should be to decriminalize a tort, ie copyright, and criminalize shake down operations and computer trespass, privacy violations, transmission of information in breach of Australia's database laws.
      Under ACCC, Price fixing, abuse of market power, collusion - would make a good start.

      Despite the name, they are firmly on the side of both the law, and natural justice.

  • rms on pirate party (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 21, 2013 @06:35AM (#42645517)
  • by pbjones (315127) on Monday January 21, 2013 @06:56AM (#42645579)

    that's what Democracy is all about.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 21, 2013 @07:14AM (#42645639)

      They're only wasted in winner-takes-all systems, which suck.

      • by Viol8 (599362) on Monday January 21, 2013 @08:00AM (#42645777)

        Yeah , and the only thing that sucks more is pathetic coalition politics that happens in a lot of europe which means nothing radical or important ever gets done because the governing parties can't agree.

        Remember - nothing innovative was ever designed by a committee.

        • by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 21, 2013 @10:29AM (#42646599)

          A political system that prevents politicians from doing radical things, and you think that is bad?

        • by hey! (33014) on Monday January 21, 2013 @10:53AM (#42646857) Homepage Journal

          Yeah , and the only thing that sucks more is pathetic coalition politics that happens in a lot of europe which means nothing radical or important ever gets done because the governing parties can't agree.

          It's not quite so simple as that. One mathematical definition of political power is the number of winning coalitions a player can join. Given a significant number of parties with none dominant, very small fringe parties can often find themselves in a "kingmaker" position, allowing them to promote more radical policies than the majority of the electorate would favor.

          Take the current UK coalition government. The Conservatives have a plurality of seats (306) in the House of Commons, and have two choices for coalition partners, Labour (257) or the Liberal Democrats (57). Suppose the Conservatives had a dozen more seats. This could potentially put the fourth largest party, the nationalist/unionist Democratic Union Party from Northern Ireland (8 seats) in a position to form a winning coalition with the Conservatives, effectively giving this small party equal power to the much larger Labour and LibDem parties -- they can all join in exactly one winning coalition. The Conservatives on the other hand could form coalitions with any of the next three smaller parties (discounting absurd coalitions with anti-union parties like Sinn Féin and the Scottish Nationalist Party).

    • by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 21, 2013 @08:47AM (#42645937)

      There are no wasted votes in democracy. If you have wasted votes you are doing it all wrong.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 21, 2013 @10:14AM (#42646471)
      Australia has preferential voting, there are no wasted votes unless you deliberately fill out your ballot wrong.
    • by pbjones (315127) on Tuesday January 22, 2013 @07:00PM (#42662531)

      Troll, maybe,
      Wasted because narrow focus parties often do deals in order to achieve their narrow goals, and so become a de facto part of the major parties. maybe there should be a rule in parliament that says that a party can't vote on matters for which they don't have a policy? or you may as well just shut your eyes and tick any box on the ballot paper.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 21, 2013 @07:10AM (#42645633)

    http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/conroy-named-internet-villain-of-the-year-20090713-di8q.html

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 21, 2013 @07:31AM (#42645673)

    They have no hope in hell of winning a house of representatives seat and it would have to be a cold day in hell for them to win a senate seat. Plenty of loonies run every year. Why should we care about this mob? Slashdot - News for nobody, stuff that doesn't matter.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 21, 2013 @07:54AM (#42645749)

    Why not "The Computer Party"?

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 21, 2013 @07:56AM (#42645761)
    No one likes Tony or Julia, but they vote Labor or LNP because "We have always done it that way." How do you convince people to do something different?
  • by Grayhand (2610049) on Monday January 21, 2013 @08:01AM (#42645781)
    I try to stay out of these discussions and I'll keep the question neutral but I'm curious what people see as the goal of things like the Pirate Party? Defunding movies, music and software seems counterproductive so what is the solution? If it's a party then it has to have goals? I know the dream is the end of copyrights and the free exchange of all information but it's an unrealistic goal so what is the compromise since in sense the goal of politics is compromise? I figure if we're going to cover the subject yet again there should be more interesting discussion than devolving into the standard "Piracy, good", "Copyright, bad" posts. The goal should be discussing solutions or the whole thread becomes redundant. FYI I'm not trying to troll here it's a legitimate question and an opening to offer sensible options.
    • by tick-tock-atona (1145909) on Monday January 21, 2013 @08:34AM (#42645889)

      Here [pirateparty.org.au] is the current platform. In it, copyright is limited to 15 years.

      I'd encourage you to read the whole thing, and if you've got ideas to contribute, please jump on IRC or a mailing list:

      http://pirateparty.org.au/irc/ [pirateparty.org.au]

      http://lists.pirateparty.org.au/ [pirateparty.org.au]

    • by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 21, 2013 @08:43AM (#42645915)

      Let me play devils advocate here, but the end game is surely a good copyright system where the creator gets paid WITHOUT MASS SURVEILLANCE, OPPRESSIVE CRIMINALIZATION OF PEOPLE, SECRET DEALS OUTSIDE OF DEMOCRACY etc.

      See, when the RIAA and MPAA got their way, they got DMCA. This had 2 parts, legal protection for DRM, and ISP immunity.
      The DRM never worked, if it ever could have worked, then it wouldn't have needed legal protection. The ISP immunity has been used by every download site as a means to legal infringement and is what's killing them now.

      So Pirate Party and their ilk are really the balancing of the extreme pro-copyright lobby with an extreme the other way.

      Can I add, a necessary backlash.

      IMHO, most of digital distribution is in place, what missing is the money flow.

      1. Track IP addresses and what torrents they've downloaded, this is already done, torrents are monitored.
      2. Let users visit a site and see what they have been recorded downloading against their IP address.
      3. Offer a deal, click which downloads you admit to, and pay a reasonable buy price, e.g. $10 a DVD, $20 a BluRay. to clear any liability for it.
      4. Get your digital distribution set up, offer them upcoming DVDs at a discount, $8 or $7. They're now customers, treat them as such.
      5. Still the piracy problem, well pick a few of the worst offenders and sue. NOT anyone who has paid, people who've paid nothing. Do this for 2 years.
      6. Still a piracy problem after that? Pass a law to let the ISP collect the fee from the pirates, or ISPs further down the chain. (ISPs will resists this like crazy, but if you've done steps 1-5 it may not be necessary).
      7. Enjoy a healthy market, with some piracy, because we shouldn't lose democracy over copyright, or freedom of speech over copyright.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 21, 2013 @08:45AM (#42645927)
      Ending prohibition was an unrealistic goal too, until one day it was gone.
    • by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 21, 2013 @08:46AM (#42645933)

      The Pirate Party does not have a dream of "ending copyrights" or "defunding movies, music, and software". That's absurd.

      Two key things the Pirate Party wants with respect to copyright (there may be more):

      a) Reduce the length of copyright terms. Current term is 70 years after the death of the author, which is outrageous any way you slice it.
      b) De-criminalise non-commercial infringement. Essentially, if you don't make money from your copying activities, you would not be deemed to be breaking the law. Commercial infringement would still carry hefty penalties (as it should - and as the party agrees).

      That is vastly different to your understanding. People can still make money from movies, music, and software. They would just have a more limited time to do so and would not be able to use the courts as a secondary source of income from people who were never going to buy their produce in the first place.

      What the Pirate Party wants is a more balanced approach to copyright, one which properly reflects the intent of the law - which is to benefit society by fostering innovation - rather than granting an essentially limitless license to print money to a few chosen people, which is clearly not in the interests of society.

    • It varies based on the country. The German Pirate Party has turned into something of a civil-libertarian party with a focus on technological issues, vaguely like an EFF Party or something. They got a lot of younger people who in previous eras might've voted FDP, a libertarian-ish party that is now associated too much with rich businessmen to get much of the younger liberal vote. Also some ex-Greens moved over for various reasons.

    • by Bengie (1121981) on Monday January 21, 2013 @09:18AM (#42646117)
      Just a quick FYI, based on history, the fastest growing time in the USA for movies was when there was no copyrights.

      Copyrights were enforced on the East Coast but not the the West Coast, so all of the innovators of movie making, like Fox, Metro, Goldwyn, and Mayer(MGM), and many other big names, went to the West Coast and Hollywood came from it.

      Hollywood's roots are based in anti-copyright.
  • by Quick Reply (688867) on Monday January 21, 2013 @08:30AM (#42645877) Journal

    The Greens are rising in power because the major two are seen as pathetic, and voters are looking for the most sane party to fill this gap. Unfortunately the closest thing we have had to 'sane', is the Greens. While some of their policies are good, they are on a whole batshit crazy and is not acceptable option to most people, so they fall back onto the major two.

    With The Pirate Party, if you just get past the name and actually look at the policies, they are not that bad.

    Under two-party preferred system, their votes will probably be funnelled to the Greens, which would then be funnelled to Labor. At least it will be a start and show that the major two are falling in popularity.

  • by Greyfox (87712) on Monday January 21, 2013 @11:13AM (#42647037) Homepage Journal
    I think a moderately-libertarian party with an IP focus and a "We don't give a shit about that either way" attitude toward divisive issues could do pretty well in the USA right now. With both parties polarizing toward the extreme, moderates really don't have to go. IP reform doesn't sell very well with our national attention span problem, so I'd work the "pirate" angle pretty heavily. Maybe have some signs printed up that say "Scurvey Crew Ahead," get a parrot and you'll be fielding a presidential candidate by 2015! And once you pick up some seats in the house, you can start an effort to plunder Harry Reid's booty! Arr!

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