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Republican Platform To Include Internet Freedom Plank 459

First time accepted submitter jay.madison writes "The new Republican Party platform includes language which promises action to promote freedom on the Internet. The move is being driven by Rand Paul's libertarian wing of the party. The text, which is still in draft form, says Republicans will work to guarantee that 'individuals retain the right to control the use of their data by third parties,' and that 'personal data receives full constitutional protection from government overreach.' Republicans would resist moves toward international governance of the Internet, and seek to 'remove regulatory barriers that protect outdated technologies and business plans from innovation and competition, while preventing legacy regulation from interfering with new technologies such as mobile delivery of voice and video data as they become crucial components of the Internet ecosystem.' The platform is due to be adopted at the Republican National Convention next week."
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Republican Platform To Include Internet Freedom Plank

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 25, 2012 @09:30AM (#41121813)

    They'll spend most of the language attacking the evils of government data collection and storage, to the point where they only mention private actors off-hand.

    They might even just say the contractors aren't responsible for government abuses of it simply because they've been paid.

    Oh wait, they're already seeking to remove regulatory barriers. You know, the ones that keep companies from screwing their customers.

    I'm sure they're really looking out for our freedom.

  • Not so fast (Score:5, Insightful)

    by bl968 ( 190792 ) on Saturday August 25, 2012 @09:34AM (#41121831) Journal

    They also claim they are going to make the Internet Family Friendly, ban internet gambling, require ISP's to monitor their users for sexual deviancy, and require laws against pornography and obscenity to be vigorously enforced. You can't have it both ways but that is what this article is claiming.

  • Re:Not so fast (Score:5, Insightful)

    by DiamondGeezer ( 872237 ) on Saturday August 25, 2012 @09:39AM (#41121851) Homepage
    Seems legit to me. After all it wasn't the Republicans who missed the 9/11 threat, passed the Patriot Act, created the Dept of Homeland Security, created an enormous deficit, greatly increased the size of Government and sleepwalked the economy into the greatest clusterfuck since the 1930s...that was obviously the Democrats.

    Not.
  • You need a schism (Score:4, Insightful)

    by ryzvonusef ( 1151717 ) on Saturday August 25, 2012 @09:40AM (#41121857) Journal

    Both the US parties (Dem and Rep) need major schisms to break their stronghold, and thus usher in change, may be accompanied by a more democratic electoral system then FPTP.

  • Internet Freedom (Score:5, Insightful)

    by theedgeofoblivious ( 2474916 ) on Saturday August 25, 2012 @09:42AM (#41121879)

    You can't have internet freedom without net neutrality.

    You can't have internet freedom with 1-2 companies having a monopoly on internet access.

    You can't create freedom by restricting the power of only some of those who would deny you freedom.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 25, 2012 @09:47AM (#41121917)

    And "remove regulatory barriers" means ending any concept of 'net neutrality. Them republicans don't cotton to people telling their corporations what to do. Can't stand in the way of excessive corporate profits, oh no.

  • by khallow ( 566160 ) on Saturday August 25, 2012 @09:49AM (#41121933)

    Oh wait, they're already seeking to remove regulatory barriers. You know, the ones that keep companies from screwing their customers.

    It's worth remembering here that customers should be working to avoid getting screwed. Say like using competitors who don't screw them? Classic examples are the huge banks with the ridiculous fees.

  • by headhot ( 137860 ) on Saturday August 25, 2012 @09:51AM (#41121943) Homepage

    Republican internet freedom is freedom for large corporations to do what ever they want, with the citizens getting the shaft. You can forget net neutrality out of them.

  • Translation (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Hardhead_7 ( 987030 ) on Saturday August 25, 2012 @09:56AM (#41121979)

    remove regulatory barriers that protect outdated technologies and business plans from innovation and competition

    "If you elect us, we will get rid of net neutrality so fast it'll make your head spin."

  • by hsmith ( 818216 ) on Saturday August 25, 2012 @09:56AM (#41121993)
    You do realize placing restrictions on what the government can't do, is part of that "not trusting government" thing, right?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 25, 2012 @10:09AM (#41122067)

    Or by having legal protections against that screwing, not to mention mechanisms that lead to competition not collaboration.

    See the banks aren't struggling against each other. Thery're working together to get what they wasn't from the government. All in the name of freedom and liberty.

  • by bhagwad ( 1426855 ) on Saturday August 25, 2012 @10:15AM (#41122093) Homepage
    This sounds suspiciously like an attempt to get rid of net neutrality laws. "Remove government regulation" indeed!
  • by goombah99 ( 560566 ) on Saturday August 25, 2012 @10:16AM (#41122103)

    No net neutrality is what this means:
    " 'remove regulatory barriers that protect outdated technologies and business plans from innovation and competition, while preventing legacy regulation from interfering with new technologies such as mobile delivery of voice and video data as they become crucial components of the Internet ecosystem.' "

  • by Guppy06 ( 410832 ) on Saturday August 25, 2012 @10:28AM (#41122189)

    Republicans will work to guarantee that 'individuals retain the right to control the use of their data by third parties,'

    No attempt will be made to ensure you are able to exercise those rights; the Republicans will do nothing to altar any terms of use you come across on the internet, which universally demand you waive those "rights."

    'personal data receives full constitutional protection from government overreach.'

    Remember the speaker. Replace "personal data" with "Swiss bank statements" and "government overreach" with "the IRS."

    'remove regulatory barriers that protect outdated technologies and business plans from innovation and competition, while preventing legacy regulation from interfering with new technologies such as mobile delivery of voice and video data as they become crucial components of the Internet ecosystem.'

    Recall the Republican definition of "regulation." They could have simply said "remove regulations" and left it at that. Contrast this statement to the first statement above; a regulation ensuring an individual can control their personal information would "stifle innovation" from Facebook, et al.

    It ain't regulation that's letting AT&T charge more for FaceTime.

  • by microbox ( 704317 ) on Saturday August 25, 2012 @11:06AM (#41122383)

    I don't believe network neutrality is a Good Thing, because I recognize that most people's definition amounts to price fixing of bandwidth

    You /know/ that net neutrality has nothing to do with bandwidth. Carriers cannot discriminate on content, source and destination. What is so difficult to explain. There's nothing about bandwidth in there.

    And the public has a moral right to this, since the government paid for most of the infrastructure anyway, in huge corporate giveaways.

  • Re:Not so fast (Score:5, Insightful)

    by 0xdeadbeef ( 28836 ) on Saturday August 25, 2012 @11:42AM (#41122565) Homepage Journal

    Government mandating home loans be provided to people who couldn't pay them back.

    I hate those poor people who busted into Manhattan boardrooms, put guns to the heads of financial services CEOs and demanded they engage in real estate speculation and sell investment products that hid and lied about risks. It really is all their fault.

  • by MightyMartian ( 840721 ) on Saturday August 25, 2012 @11:48AM (#41122615) Journal

    It is isnt violating religious freedom to force employers to pay for contraceptives any more than it violates religious freedoms to ban human sacrifice.

  • by SuricouRaven ( 1897204 ) on Saturday August 25, 2012 @12:02PM (#41122695)
    But government is involved in marriage. It has been since the days when common law ruled. Marriage affects taxation, shared finances, inheritence, child custody, immigration, all manner of things. All of which require the government recognise marriages in some way, which in turn unavoidably means the government must have some standard for what constitutes a legal marriage and what does not.
  • by SuricouRaven ( 1897204 ) on Saturday August 25, 2012 @12:05PM (#41122715)
    A nice ideal, but it runs into economic issues. All that infrastructure is expensive. Fiber to bury and routers to power. Administering it needs highly skilled workers who need paying. There are really only two options for public-access networking over a large geographic area: Private commercial interests or a tax-funded government department. Profit or power. The only way this is going to change would be the introduction of some form of revolutionary new networking technology.
  • by smpoole7 ( 1467717 ) on Saturday August 25, 2012 @12:13PM (#41122781) Homepage

    > Republicantards

    Yes, and the "Demoncrats" are all socialists who want to compromise American sovereignty and reduce us to a third world nation. Right?

    Dood, BOTH parties are bought and paid for. Each may be owned by a different set of crooks, but at the end of the day, they're P0wned.

    Look at each candidate. Forget the party. The best time to do this is during the primaries, but it's too late for that now. You'll just have to hold your nose and vote for the least-offensive candidate. But if you're a believer that EITHER party has your best interests at heart across the board, you're deluding yourself.

    If the American people would stop following party lines, and (most importantly) stop treating each election like a popularity contest, there might be some real change.

    When I see Karl Rove or Mitch McConnell, I change the channel or click to a different Web page. They both turn my stomach. But so do Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi. Pelosi is especially endearing because she is obviously as thick as two short planks. (Not that she's alone in that distinction by any means.) I have a salt shaker in my kitchen with a higher IQ.

  • You are assuming a perfect market of a wide availability of choices of middle size playing fairly. The reality is an oligopoly that suppresses competition from small players and squeezes customers for all they are worth. You can't use the fundamentals of capitalism to defend the practices of an oligopoly, please wake up.

    And no, the government is not to blame for this, this is the natural state of affairs of an unregulated market. Yes, the government is corrupted to serve the oligopoly's interests, but to say the answer to that is to remove the government is to reward the disease for making the patient sick, removing all barriers to complete abuse of the customer.

    Why do so many fools cling to the myth of the clean unregulated market? An unregulated market naturally gravitates to an oligopoly that colludes and

    1. Squeezes smaller players
    2. Abuses the customer
    3. Corrupts the government

    That is the natural state of the market. Wake up! The only effective remedy is a strong government with effective regulation. Cure your government of its corporate infection, its the only thing on your side. Really!

    So many blind propagandized putzes.

  • by bhagwad ( 1426855 ) on Saturday August 25, 2012 @01:01PM (#41123101) Homepage
    The restrictions on water are on pure quantity - not on what you do with a given liter of water. You can brush your teeth or wash your face. No restrictions. No water company will say "Oh, this water filter belongs to xyz company so you can't use it with my supply". The power company will not say "You can't run abc toaster brand with my electricity supply".

    And that's the fundamental difference.
  • by denzacar ( 181829 ) on Saturday August 25, 2012 @01:02PM (#41123107) Journal

    This is a bad example; plenty of municipalities have water regulations during summers or droughts.

    A - those are extreme, non-everyday cases, bordering on natural disaster conditions.

    B - such regulations are there solely for the reason of "providing equal service to everyone". Not to ensure greater profit or for the sake of control.

  • by khallow ( 566160 ) on Saturday August 25, 2012 @01:10PM (#41123175)

    You are assuming a perfect market of a wide availability of choices of middle size playing fairly. The reality is an oligopoly that suppresses competition from small players and squeezes customers for all they are worth. You can't use the fundamentals of capitalism to defend the practices of an oligopoly, please wake up.

    Sure, you can.

    And no, the government is not to blame for this, this is the natural state of affairs of an unregulated market.

    Sure it is. It's worth remembering here that government creates the regulations that these businesses operate under and which inhibit entry by new businesses.

    Why do so many fools cling to the myth of the clean unregulated market? An unregulated market naturally gravitates to an oligopoly that colludes and

    Why do so many fools cling to the myth of regulation fixing things? Here, I gave an example of a heavily regulated industry, the banking industry that just so happens to have all the characteristics which you allege come from "unregulated markets" such as collusion, squeezing of smaller players, oligopolies.

    Clearly, if the cure isn't working,then we need more of it.

  • by Baloroth ( 2370816 ) on Saturday August 25, 2012 @01:23PM (#41123271)

    It is isnt violating religious freedom to force employers to pay for contraceptives any more than it violates religious freedoms to ban human sacrifice.

    Yes, it is. One bans an action that infringes on others basic rights. The other forces an individual to do something for another which is not related to any constitutional rights.

    Of course, you wouldn't want people to not be able to have as much consequence-less sex as they want, they might actually get interested in politics or something if that happened (see: Brave New World [wikipedia.org].)

  • by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Saturday August 25, 2012 @01:46PM (#41123451)

    And as soon as total market transparency as well as instant access to information (AND the ability to understand it flawlessly) is a reality, I will instantly agree with you.

    The problem is that the information situation is highly asymmetric and putting the customer at a severe disadvantage. Take your average contract with a bank. That contract put under your nose has most certainly been drafted and approved by a lawyer that specializes in finance laws and it is certainly worded in the way that is most favorable for the bank. You, as the average bank customer, are neither a lawyer nor a finance specialist. You might not understand every word in the contract and every abbreviation used, despite them being completely usual and well known in the finance world. For reference, take IT and its various terms.

    Ask the banker what they mean? Oh sure, and they'll explain it to you in the most colorful words followed by "oh, but that never happens" or "that's just a legalese phrase without any real meaning". Good luck trying to prove you've been tricked.

    Not signing a contract you don't understand you say? In this time and age, be happy if there's a bank that will lend you money altogether. People pretty much HAVE to sign whatever is shoved under their nose.

    And for these asymmetries, the government has to step in to protect the consumer. One reason for its existence is actually to allow people to play on a level playing field.

  • by davester666 ( 731373 ) on Saturday August 25, 2012 @02:51PM (#41123883) Journal

    This may work in some cases, but not really for internet access in the US.

    Both wired and wireless connections have a huge barrier to entry [both financially and regulatory]. And the incumbents know you don't have a real choice.

    You can tell, because the few places that have [or could have] real competition, they actively fight against it [by legislating against it, suing to prevent/delay it, dropping prices locally & temporarily to kill it].

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