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EU Blocks France's Ban of Monsanto's GM Maize

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  • by jklovanc (1603149) on Wednesday May 23, 2012 @02:49AM (#40084241)

    The French are not big eaters of corn, anyways.

    Considering France is the 7th [wikipedia.org] largerst producer of maize in the world that may not be true.

  • by Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) on Wednesday May 23, 2012 @02:52AM (#40084257)

    The French are not big eaters of corn, anyways.

    They may not enjoy corn on the cob, but they eat corn alright, as does most of the world, in the form of processed food. You find corn derivatives in a bewildering varieties of industrial foods.

    France also produces a lot of corn, amazingly, considering the problems they have with water table depletion every other summer.

  • by jklovanc (1603149) on Wednesday May 23, 2012 @02:56AM (#40084291)

    This is the actual conclusion;

    In conclusion, the EFSA GMO Panel considers that, based on the documentation submitted by France, there is no specific scientific evidence, in terms of risk to human and animal health or the environment, that would support the notification of an emergency measure under Article 34 of Regulation (EC) No 1829/2003 and that would invalidate its previous risk assessments of maize MON 810.

    Basically, the "significant imminent risk" standard is for the use of "emergency measure[s]". That does not mean that after study it will not be banned but that the emergency powers do not fit.

  • by L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) on Wednesday May 23, 2012 @03:36AM (#40084471)

    Not because the EU overturned the ban, but because the EU can overrule national decisions in such important matters

    You obviously aren't aware of the French response to such interfering in their state affairs. Typically, they ask for the blessings of the EU as a formality; If they don't like the outcome, they don't pay any attention. If they're forced, the populace start setting fire to cars and breaking stuff, French media puts "EU Regulation Causing Riots Across Nation!" across the front pages, and everything goes back to normal.

    The French do love a good riot now and then.

  • Monsanto vs France (Score:3, Informative)

    by ColdCat (2586245) on Wednesday May 23, 2012 @03:40AM (#40084481)
    As I heard in French news a few month ago, It was planned that Monsanto will won at EU. The plan for this year was that. It's almost impossible with a court decision in May to buy and grow seeds for this year in France. Everyone who want to plant corn has already bought real corn seeds for 2012 so France won almost one year.
  • Re:funny much? (Score:3, Informative)

    by witherstaff (713820) on Wednesday May 23, 2012 @03:57AM (#40084543) Homepage

    Simple, money and political ties talks. Aspartame sat sidelined by the FDA because of tests showing it was a carcinogen and neurotoxin. Rumsfeld was put in as CEO and he used all his political ties to get it approved. The company was later bought out by.. Monsanto. We have Monsanto to thank that huge percentages of crops are all genetically modified. Since recent studies show that you are what you eat and food RNA can effect your genes [discovermagazine.com] the entire genetic modification of base food crops is a little worrying. Millions of years of symbiotic evolution is being altered in ways not even fully understood yet. I'm all for scientific advances but rushing to market and forcing this down people's throats is not a good attitude.

    Percentage of Genetic Modified Crops [wikipedia.org]

    • Soybeans (Herbicide resistant gene taken from bacteria inserted into soybean)- 93% US, 77% world
    • Corn/Maize (New genes, some from the bacterium Bacillus thuringiensis, added/transferred into plant genome.) - 86% US, 26% world
    • Squash (Contains coat protein genes of viruses.) - 13% US
  • by Linzer (753270) on Wednesday May 23, 2012 @03:59AM (#40084559)

    That's correct. First, about half of it is exported, and 80% of the rest is animal feed. What remains is used mostly for starch (not all of it for eating). The sweet corn eaten in corn form is a tiny fraction.

  • by jklovanc (1603149) on Wednesday May 23, 2012 @04:19AM (#40084627)

    The issue is that the ban in France was even overturned by their own courts [agrimoney.com] as not being scientifically based. They then tried again to get it banned throughout the entire EU and failed again.

    Here is a quote;"

    EuropaBio, the European biotech industry group, urged French leaders to decide "whether they want to regain their position as a leader of agricultural innovation or support an anti-science agenda that weakens Europe's competitiveness" after a judgment on Monday from Paris's highest court.

    You might also want to check this [cera-gmc.org] out. Notice how many countries have approved the corn.

    Here is an interesting piece of information from this article [bloomberg.com];

    “The new ban is not justified by scientific evidence,” John Combest, a spokesman for Monsanto, said in a e-mail today. The company does not market MON810 in France because “we seek planting where we have broad farmer and government support,” Combest said.

    Now why would France want to ban something not even marketed in their country? Perhaps it is that they want to protect their own seed industry at the expense of growers in other EU countries.

    Take a look at this article [reuters.com]. The EU has yet to order France to lift the ban and nothing will happen till after the election and any new government has shown its intentions. That has not happened.

    To summarize, the EU reviewed the corn last year and found no issues. France banned the corn, Their own courts overturned that ban. France banned it again. France applied to get the ban applied to all EU countries. The EU declined. That is where we stand today. The French ban is still in effect but there will be no EU ban.

  • by erroneus (253617) on Wednesday May 23, 2012 @05:18AM (#40084839) Homepage

    For something which "may or may not pose a threat" it should be the standard for something which grows and spreads itself as LIFE does that it be presumed dangerous until proven otherwise.

    This is the same standard we use for importing living things through customs isn't it?

    For some people, the potential dangers and hazards of GM foods is of concern. It concerns me less. What concerns me is the dangers and hazards of a business developing and planting seed which doesn't limit or contain itself and then goes about suing and threatening others over infringement claims.

    Monsanto is a threat to the economics of food production and a threat to food production in general.

  • by hughbar (579555) on Wednesday May 23, 2012 @05:18AM (#40084841) Homepage
    Yes, as an EU 'citizen' and someone who worked for the EEC for about ten years [as a consultant, to my shame] I agree with this. The apparatus of Brussels is divorced from the wishes of the great unwashed [us], non-transparent, mediocre, subject to continual lobbying [Axa, Microsoft, Monsanto], undemocratic [the votes 'for' the Euro were exceptionally thin, even in France, had to be 'done again' in Ireland] and unresponsive.

    This book: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Democracy-Europe-Larry-Siedentop/dp/0140287930 [amazon.co.uk] deals with some of the arguments about drift, neo-liberalism and democratic deficit.

    Sanity is a relative thing, it's saner than Gadaffi's Libya and probably saner than the worst of corporate America, but not healthy in many other ways.
  • by captainpanic (1173915) on Wednesday May 23, 2012 @05:39AM (#40084947)

    [...]a potentially malevolent vendor,[...]

    You suggest that Monsanto is only "potentially malevolent"? They make a business of killing small farm businesses. Their legal department is larger than their scientific department. They created life that cannot reproduce, so that farmers have to come to them each year to buy new seeds. What makes you still doubt?

  • by Znork (31774) on Wednesday May 23, 2012 @06:45AM (#40085205)

    Actually, the pesticide that currently seems to be most strongly implicated in colony collapse disorder is imidacloprid, which is not the same as the bacillus thuringiensis (Bt) GMO corn toxin. Unless you have seen something even newer? Still, that of course doesn't preclude BT damaging other parts of the ecosystem.

    Considering Monstantos corporate ethics, if they could create a corn variety that causes cancer in anyone eating it, I would bet they would. The company has such a history that trusting it with food is grossly negligent.

  • by sFurbo (1361249) on Wednesday May 23, 2012 @08:17AM (#40085751)

    They created life that cannot reproduce, so that farmers have to come to them each year to buy new seeds.

    The terminator genes were developed to limit the possibility of spreading traits, e.g. pesticide resistance, to weeds. It really is a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario.

  • by ChromeAeonium (1026952) on Wednesday May 23, 2012 @11:41AM (#40088809)

    The cutoff is when you've done enough rigorous and open testing that nobody in the professional scientific community can raise any particular concerns.

    Well, good [biofortified.org] news [blogspot.com]! Fact is, scientific consensus is that GE crops are safe and effective. Don't believe me? Go to your local university's agriculture, plant biology, genetics, or molecular biology/biochemistry department, or contact your local extension office (if you are in the US, you do have one). I have, and have yet to find a single person saying otherwise. Like evolution or vaccines, his is much more a popular controversy than a scientific one (discredited papers like the Pusztai study or the Séralini study notwithstanding).

    The people producing the GMO's have, for example, claimed there is no risk of their product escaping into other fields, which has been proven false over and over.

    Who? When? Plants cross pollinate. Everyone knows that, and problems from cross pollination are nothing new. That's why I put cheesecloth on my flowers when I garden. I grow stable lines and I don't want the to get cross pollinated, and others who grow open pollinated (or heirloom if you will) know the importance of preventing accidental pollenation. Or think of people who grow seedless fruits. What happens if you have a seedless citrus or persimmon orchard and someone decides to plant another variety? Seeds. Or what if you grow sweet corn next to field corn? The endosperm will be affected by what pollinates the corn, so your sweet corn will be ruined. So lets not act as if GE crops are the only thing where cross pollination occurs.

    Each time it happens, these assholes sue the farmers whose crops get contaminated for "illegally" using their patented product.

    No, they sue if you have an unnaturally large number of the transgene present, which is to say, when someone knowingly selects for the transgene (the morality of which is somewhat debatable, but lets not act as if it simply happens by accident). Can you show me a single case where they sued someone for simple cross pollination?

    Then we have some very recent evidence that the rash of Colony Collapse Disorder among honey bee populations is being caused by a somewhat new pesticide. This just so happens to be the same pesticide which is integrated into the Monsanto corn, and preliminary tests indicate it DOES affect bee populations.

    Absolutely false. CCD by the way occurs in areas where GE crops are not grown. The problem may be due to farming practices (like monoculture), or certain other pesticides, but there is no evidence to suggest that Bt crops are responsible in any way.

    Especially when viewed in light of the other claims Monsanto has made about their product and have been shown to be false.

    Which is why farmers keep buying their seed, right? Which is why we are actually seeing problems because farmers aren't planting enough non-GMO refuge area?

    There just hasn't been enough testing of these products.

    Everyone says this, but never says what would be considered sufficient testing. I think it is so the goalpost can keep moving.

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