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Heartland Institute Learning To Troll On Billboards 735

Posted by Unknown Lamer
from the tim-mcveigh-was-vegan-too dept.
Fluffeh writes "The Heartland Institute is a lovely group of folks who take issue with mainstream climate science. They organize an annual get-together of like minded folk and talk trash about environmental change. 'The people who still believe in man-made global warming are mostly on the radical fringe of society.' (That's from a press release!). Recently, when they were tricked by a researcher into sending him a lot of internal documents, they decided to go on the offensive and also get some more media attention. After all, any story is a good story, right? Launching a billboard with the Unabomber on it with the slogan 'I still believe in Global Warming. Do You?' was just the start, with the institute planning Fidel Castro, Charles Manson and possibly even Osama Bin Laden. That's when even their stout backers threatened to walk away, backing started to dry up — and it seems that common sense started to prevail — but only so far as to stop them from making their message too public."
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Heartland Institute Learning To Troll On Billboards

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  • Re:Last I knew (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 08, 2012 @07:24AM (#39926049)

    Only people with a vested interest in selling fossil fuels argue that there is even a debate. Volcanoes emit 300 million tons of CO2 per year, whereas humans emit 30,000 million tons of CO2 per year. The arguers are very loud, so I don't expect most people to know about this urban legend.

  • Re:Seriusly America (Score:4, Informative)

    by Psion (2244) on Tuesday May 08, 2012 @07:56AM (#39926319)
    I'll just put this here. [] It was on the ThinkProgress site for months whereas the Heartland billboard ad was stopped within 24 hours. Heartland issued an apology. ThinkProgress dropped the post silently and pretended nothing had happened.
  • by Gadget_Guy (627405) * on Tuesday May 08, 2012 @10:17AM (#39928317)

    Is it really so difficult to imagine that people simply do not want to see an enormous government intrusion into literally every energy use decision they make, or are made on their behalves by others?

    Implying that somehow this is all a conspiracy theory is unbelievably false.

    That is really outside the scope of the topic that I was discussing. The original poster was simply complaining about the use of the term "denier" and not about the implications of the measures required to solve the problem.

    Now you might take issue with big government, and that is quite a reasonable and valid stance to take. But the problem is that the deniers (who can be seen elsewhere on this page) are going further than debating our the response to the problem by claiming that global warming is all a big con by government to give themselves more power. As far as conspiracy theories go, that one is huge compared to anything that I have suggested.

    My theory involved a small number of people feeding a script to a group of willing, like-minded pundits who in turn influence the more conservative part of the population who eagerly lap up the tales of the "guv'ment" against them. It works because it is managable and it suits the desires of every participant in the chain.

    The other idea, that AGW is a giant hoax, would require the cooperation of virtually every government around the world of all persuasions to corrupt the vast majority of the scientific community to produce false results and theories. It would be a monumental task and a complete house of cards, because all it would take is a few emails to wikileaks to show the evidence to bring the whole crashing thing down.

    Which one of these theories would you consider to be unbelievably false? You can say that both are unbelievable if you like, but then you probably would not be considered to be the denier that we were discussing in the first place!

  • Re:crazy (Score:5, Informative)

    by geekoid (135745) <dadinportland AT yahoo DOT com> on Tuesday May 08, 2012 @01:10PM (#39930979) Homepage Journal

    Because the Heartland institute is lying, and using lies to change policy. They are backed by people who want to be able to dump what they want where every they want regardless of the effect. SO yes, people need to be aware that these people are lying to change policy.

    One side has mountains of facts and data, has research every available hypothesis, and has came to a consensus based on all the current data. The other side has no facts, not supporting evidence and has resorted to comparing people who know the actual science to a mass murders.

    his isn't a discussion where two side have pretty much equal wait in evidence, that would have been the 70's and 80s'.

    That's why one group is deniers, and the other groups is actual science and fact based.

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