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New Tech Makes Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Verifiable 93

Harperdog writes "In 1999, Senate Republicans rejected the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty on the grounds that it wasn't verifiable. The National Academy of Sciences feels this is no longer true, due to new technology. Quoting: 'Technologies for detecting clandestine testing in four environments — underground, underwater, in the atmosphere, and in space — have improved significantly in the past decade. In particular, seismology, the most effective approach for monitoring underground nuclear explosion testing, can now detect underground explosions well below 1 kiloton in most regions. A kiloton is equivalent to 1,000 tons of chemical high explosive. The nuclear weapons that were used in Japan in World War II had yields in the range of 10 to 20 kilotons.'"
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New Tech Makes Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Verifiable

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09, 2012 @05:48PM (#39623743)

    We can benchmark climate models to a good standard...the actual climate.

    You do realize that we don't need models to demonstrate global warming, right? That's an actual measurement.

    Come back when you have a bare minimum of technical prowess, and have studied something besides humanities, political science, or some other such soft study for right brained types like yourself.

  • Re:just a thought (Score:4, Informative)

    by buchner.johannes ( 1139593 ) on Monday April 09, 2012 @06:20PM (#39624197) Homepage Journal

    Russia: 4650 U.S.: 2468. Number of cities > 1Million people in the world: 302.

    You can't possibly need to attack more than 20 cities with nuclear warheads in whatever the scenario. Place this number in 10 locations around the globe, and you're up to 200. That's the number you really need, max. Beyond that, it's just ridiculous.

  • Re:Subtext (Score:4, Informative)

    by gelfling ( 6534 ) on Monday April 09, 2012 @06:33PM (#39624405) Homepage Journal

    Rail/gun types of weapons were simple enough in 1945 to not need testing. Trinity was a test of the "Fat Man" plutonium design used on Nagasaki. The Hiroshima uranium design was rushed into deployment in case Trinity didn't work. Hiroshima's 'Little Boy' was never tested and no one seriously thought it NEEDED to be tested.

    By comparison, South Africa built and then abandoned 6 - 9 gun type uranium warheads fully prepared to use them if need be w/o ever having tested them. In fact they never even tested the conventional explosives trigger design either. No need for that, the engineering, chemistry and physics were well understood.

  • Re:just a thought (Score:4, Informative)

    by FrankSchwab ( 675585 ) on Monday April 09, 2012 @07:12PM (#39624873) Journal

    You don't need to attack 2500 or 4600 cities, but the premise behind the number of warheads is that you WOULD want to attack all of the enemies warheads, and vice-versa. You don't want to leave your enemy with the ability to strike back.

    The goal might be to hit America's 20 largest cities, or Russia's 20 largest cities, but the fact of doing so means that the attacked country is going to be unhappy, and will fire back in anger at your 200 largest cities. So, the intiator fires weapons at their 20 largest cities, all of their strategic bomber bases, any large warships (missile subs, carriers, etc), and as many missile silos as they can to reduce the reprisal factor.

    To prevent all of their offensive weapons from being wiped out, each side has at least a portion of their arsenal on a hair-trigger, capable of being launched in the 30 minute window from enemy launch to impact, to maximize the reprisal they could take. .

  • Re:Subtext (Score:4, Informative)

    by Kell Bengal ( 711123 ) on Tuesday April 10, 2012 @01:27AM (#39627507)
    It's perfectly possible to test a gun-type nuclear weapon without actually detonating it. It's simple: test-fire the gun mechanism. If the two non-nuclear test-masses strike each other with the right velocity, then the neutron denstity will instantenously rise far enough to start the critical reaction. Critical reactions have been extensively tested in the past and the operational geometry is well known - it's all about getting the two pieces of uranium close enough together, fast enough.

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