RMS Cancels Lectures In Israel 609
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Eesh writes "Globes and Haaretz report that Stallman cancelled his plans for lecturing in Israeli universities as part of a visit to the Palestinian Authority, due to threats by the Palestinian organizers that they won't be paying for his trip if he does so. Globes write: 'Stallman was scheduled to visit Israel in July and to speak at Haifa University, Tel Aviv University and Shenkar College. The Palestinians initiated the visit, but when they understood that Stallman would also be speaking at Israeli universities they told him they would no longer fund the trip. In response, Stallman announced that he would cancel the speaking engagements in Israel, and would be satisfied with visiting the Palestinian Authority regions only.'" Here's the email from RMS and response from the Israeli organizer. Hopefully RMS will brush off being named "Linux founder" by Haaretz. Update: 05/29 19:39 GMT by T : Oops! As user Windrip points out below, it's Globes, not Haaretz, which attributed Linux to RMS.
Re:makes sense (Score:1, Informative)
Palestineans paying? Not really. They are funded by the EU.
Re:makes sense (Score:5, Informative)
Not this bullshit again. Being against Israel is not the same as being antisemitic, there are plenty of reasons to be anti-Israel considering all the lousy crap they've done and continue to do in that region. And accusing Palestinians of "antisemitism" is especially dumb, as Palestinians are just as Semitic as the Israelis are.
RMS's bills and bio (Score:5, Informative)
> How does Stallman pay his bills, anyway?
(For a detailed answer, you could read a biography about him: http://static.fsf.org/nosvn/faif-2.0.pdf [fsf.org] )
Some organisations pay him for the talks he gives. He also won some awards in the 90s which came with chunky cash prizes which he said he would invest.
His bills probably aren't too big anyway. He asks his hosts to pay his travel and accommodation (usually staying with someone in their house rather than in a hotel). He has no kids, which saves him a lot of money.
FSF doesn't pay him any salary.
Re:It's Ironic (Score:5, Informative)
RMS is not all of GNU, so here is his personal thoughts on the matter [kerneltrap.org]
Richard Stallman: What about them? The programmers writing non-free software? They are doing something antisocial. They should get some other job.
Any more questions?
Not Ha'aretz (Score:2, Informative)
One of the posts in the linked thread goes to some Israeli biz-pub.
The Ha'aretz article [haaretz.com] about RMS' decision doesn't mis-attribute "Linux Founder" to RMS.
The error is in another publication [globes.co.il]
Re:makes sense (Score:1, Informative)
Re:makes sense (Score:3, Informative)
Glad you asked for a citation, but you did not say which part... Taking them one at a time:
Murder of all jews: Hamas charter Article 7, last paragraph and following Hadith.
Blames them for being behind wars and revolutions: Hamas charter Article 22 (which explicitly blames "the French Revolution, the Communist revolution and most of the revolutions we heard and hear about, here and there" on the Jews, as well as World War I and World War II).
Protocols of the Elders of Zion: Hamas charter article 32, which says: Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying.
You can get the full text of the Hamas charter at several of the References on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter [wikipedia.org] but here are two of those just for your convenience:
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/880818a.htm [fas.org]
http://www.mideastweb.org/hamas.htm [mideastweb.org]
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp [yale.edu]
Or were you talking about some other charter? There are several different charters around in Gaza and the West Bank; the Hamas one is the one for the group that had a plurality (though not majority) of the votes in the one election held so far and the group that is the government of Gaza at the moment.
Re:It's Ironic (Score:3, Informative)
Wow. Pretty selective quoting there. Maybe I can improve on it.
Re:makes sense (Score:5, Informative)
The Palestinians in the west bank are under occupation (with quite extensive autonomy in most internal affairs). The Palestinians in Gaza are under a military siege. They are not occupied, at all. The Palestinians living inside Israel are equal rights citizens. No apartheid at all. If you want to contradict these statements, please bring forward the facts on which you rely.
The Israeli arabs are citizens of Israel in the name only. Recently, there was a fairly well published case of an arab being sentenced for rape for having consensual sex with a jewish woman. She went to the police when she found out that he was arab not jewish and he was sentenced to 18 months in jail for "rape by deception." The occupation/colonization project of the West Bank has been going on for over 40 years so to not call it an apartheid system is insincere.
All of this does not matter to the question of artists canceling appearances. If an artist does not want to appear in Israel, that's fine. An artists who cancels is being suckered into making a political statement under the guise/threat of avoiding making one. A singer performing in Paris does not mean the singer supports France's laws against traditional Muslim wear. A singer performing in New York does not mean the singer supports the USA's aggressive intellectual property foreign policy. Yet, for some reason, a singer appearing in Tel-Aviv is told that this will be interpreted as supporting the occupation.
Ah, the old "why are you protesting against us and not against every other shit state in the world, you must be anti-semites!"-argument. FYI, there were fierce protests against the olympics being held in China, against various events in Morocco and Turkey and so on. Also note that rms is not a random singer, but a political activist who has spent his life promoting software freedom. It would not be out of character for him to protest against the the occupation of Palestine.
Re:Travel to Palestine...? (Score:4, Informative)
"Where are you going?"
"Do you know anyone in Egypt? In Jordan?"
"How long have you known your friend?"
"Who are you meeting there?"
"Why is it you have a Canadian passport, and your friend has a British Passport?"
You got the sense you were interacting with human lie detectors. Answers like "It's none of your business" would not have gone down well.
Nope, wrong (Score:4, Informative)
Apartheid by definition is racial segregation within borders of a country.
That's what happens in Israel. Palestine Authority is not a country but a part of Israel, however its citizens are denied the right to move freely within the borders of Israel.