Russia To Help NATO Build Anti-Missile Network 175
Hugh Pickens writes "The Washington Post reports that Russia has agreed to cooperate with NATO on erecting a US-planned anti-missile network in Europe protecting the continent against possible ballistic missile attacks from Iran or elsewhere. The anti-missile coverage would be anchored by a US land- and sea-based deployment, reconfigured by Obama from earlier plans devised under the Bush administration. The new idea would be to link individual national missile defenses into the US network and place them all under a NATO command and control center with authority to respond to an attack. 'We see Russia as a partner, not an adversary,' says President Obama, hailing the NATO-Russian accord. President Dmitri Medvedev warned that Russia's cooperation must be 'a full-fledged strategic partnership between Russia and NATO' and not just a nod in Moscow's direction to spare Russian feelings while Europe tends to its own defenses in tandem with the United States."
Re:Against who? (Score:1, Insightful)
go back to sleep there are no threats - it is so great living in this Utopian world where everyone loves each other :-)
Re:We can help you, comrades (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:We can help you, comrades (Score:3, Insightful)
The Nobel is a prize, and that particular Nobel is arbitrarily awarded.
fox in charge of the henhouse (Score:2, Insightful)
Eventually you'll own the land, thin your own herd, scare Europe into thinking you're the good guy and let you take over. You won't be able to handle all the logistics so you'll need to deputize a huge amount of private corporations to "act" as the gov't. They can do your bidding and take the fall. You just sit back and enjoy. If you're lucky Rupurt Murdock will cut you in for a slice of the Newscorp profits too!
Re:Against who? (Score:2, Insightful)
> go back to sleep there are no threats - it is so great living in this Utopian world where everyone loves each other :-)
go back to sleep there is no debt - it is so great living in this Utopian world where missing money can be printed without any consequences for people that matter :-)
Cyber Attacks? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Against who? (Score:5, Insightful)
missing money can be printed
I prefer the term Quantitative Easing [youtube.com], thank you.
Re:We can help you, comrades (Score:5, Insightful)
The only global cooperation here is the willingness for the global military industrial complex to bleed the taxpayer dry. The 'ballistic' missile shield is completely useless against cruise missiles. Now you have stealth cruise missiles, supersonic cruise missiles, long range cruise missiles, their now planning long range hypersonic cruise missles, so really who is kidding who here.
Russia is only willing to play the game for the opportunity to start selling it's technology into Europe, likely that is part of the behind the scenes bargain struck with the western military industrial complex.
Why spend billions on a 'ballistic' missles shield that is completely useless against ground hugging cruise missiles, especially when every country is in the process of shifting technology that way. What is this, some kind of lying bullshit way to squeeze profits out of what is rapidly becoming pointless technology, can't afford social welfare but can afford a broken multi billion dollar missile shield.
Re:We can help you, comrades (Score:2, Insightful)
It apparently can be achieved by promising rather than delivering on those promises. Still think it's a big achievement?
Re:We can help you, comrades (Score:3, Insightful)
Or for not being George Bush.
Re:Russian Game: Assistance but Not Participation (Score:5, Insightful)
Because everybody knows it is really Vladmir Putin who runs Russia, and is Prime Minister to get around the consecutive term limits, and will run again for the Presidency, and win after Medvedev's term is up...
Re:Against who? (Score:5, Insightful)
The "actual enemy" is the potential "Caliphate" opposite the proposed arc of missile defense.
Mentioning it exists is Trollish thoughtcrime, but strategic planners have a duty beyond PC emotionalism.
There is clearly a need to bring Russia into the NATO sphere of influence in a "good way" useful to Russians. We face a mutual Jihadist enemy and wars that may take a century.
We need Russia, China, and India on the same page to contain Pakistan (especially after it falls to its own Taliban and the tiny minority of officials living on US money are lynched) and Iran.
Re:Russian Game: Assistance but Not Participation (Score:1, Insightful)
Everybody knows no such thing, but some pretend that they do.
Are you kidding? (Score:3, Insightful)
Pakistan will be running on US funds for the foreseeable future and will be no threat to anyone but itself.
Terrorists use bombs, not intercontinental ballistic missiles.
What a load (Score:5, Insightful)
There are no missile threats from Iran or any where else, this is military contractors making deals and the rest of the humans being to stupid to care or notice.
Re:We can help you, comrade (Score:3, Insightful)
wrong, no population problem but we only have resource distribution problem, which would mostly have been solved by investing the trillion or ten trillion we spend on war and war-mongering.
No shortage of energy on this world, nor sufficient land to grow food. No shortage of water that can be turned to fresh water by the simplest application of the abundant energy this world receives.
We have shortage of will to get off petro-dollar cartel and shortage of will to invest in condition of humans that would have wealth-growing benefits to all.
Just bailing out our failed finance/banking cartel took the amount of wealth that could have paved the deserts over with existing solar tech sufficient to power the north and central americas.
Re:Earth to Obama (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:fox in charge of the henhouse (Score:1, Insightful)
It's not a "capitalist" thing. It's a centuries old strategy for subjugating newly acquired territories.
From Machiavelli's The Prince, Chapter VII:
Thereupon he promoted Messer Ramiro d'Orco, a swift and cruel man, to whom he gave the fullest power. This man in a short time restored peace and unity with the greatest success. Afterwards the duke considered that it was not advisable to confer such excessive authority, for he had no doubt but that he would become odious, so he set up a court of judgment in the country, under a most excellent president, wherein all cities had their advocates. And because he knew that the past severity had caused some hatred against himself, so, to clear himself in the minds of the people, and gain them entirely to himself, he desired to show that, if any cruelty had been practised, it had not originated with him, but in the natural sternness of the minister. Under this pretence he took Ramiro, and one morning caused him to be executed and left on the piazza at Cesena with the block and a bloody knife at his side. The barbarity of this spectacle caused the people to be at once satisfied and dismayed.
Re:Are you kidding? (Score:5, Insightful)
I believe, China won't try to start a war.
1. they are not fundamentalists
2. they already built their economy to work with the western economies.
They cannot afford a war and they know it. Only "small" fundamentalist states not integrated into the world would try to start something. North Korea, Iran and possibly Pakistan if taken over by the Taliban.
Re:We can help you, comrades (Score:3, Insightful)
The thing used(may still use them) nuclear warheads and one of the layer was a total saturation of the area where the missile is calculated to be in.
This is far from what the USA has been attempting to do with small explosion next to the incoming attack.
Re:Earth to Obama (Score:5, Insightful)
We the people of the U.S. are losing money, yes. However, the banking cartel and military-industrial complex, with our lawmakers in their pockets, are not losing money.
Re:We can help you, comrades (Score:4, Insightful)
Well, it uses fairly low yield warheads and at 20km+ intercept altitude. While not elegant it is a typical russian engineering solution: "Do not force it, use a LARGER hammer".
Do not forget - it was designed for WW3. At a moment when EMP has broken all lose from USA and USSR nuking each other into a glass lake who cares about a couple of extra sub-10K nukes.
Also, the newer interceptors are not nuclear armed and they are also supplemented by S300 at a lower altitude which can also intercept warheads (or at least is rumoured to) at least on par with Aegis and Patriot if not even better.
All in all, compared to what US has got it is probably by up to 10 years ahead.
Re:We can help you, comrades (Score:1, Insightful)
And why pray-tell is "every country" shifting away from ballistic missiles? Ahh... yes, because it is possible to detect and defend against them with some kind of ballistic missile defense that has been developed and implemented across much of the world.
Huh? Defend against ballistic missiles? Current state of the art might manage to intercept a couple of missiles.
If a major player gets majorly mad and launches a major attack with ballistic missiles forget any idea that you can intercept more than a handful. For now that's impossible. It is why SDI was unable to be implemented a quarter century ago, and insufficient progress has been made since then for such an overarching missile shield to be implemented today.
Re:Against who? (Score:1, Insightful)
Muslim world is too diverse and with too many large groups that have nothing but contempt for each other
So your fear of "Caliphate" is nothing more than anti-islamic racist hate mongering
Yeah, you gotta be real careful about making anti-islamic racist hate mongering statements.
Take a look at this list[wikipedia] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_majority_countries. There's hardly a splash of majority Muslim nations causing problems for each other.. nothing but contempt? What countries do Morocco or the Maldives have contempt for? Iran has a large population of Jewish people (protected under the Iranian constitution), the second largest Jewish population in the middle east.
These are nationalist issues painted by zealots and right wing Christian fanatics as religious issues. And you're just as bad as the:
war-mongering "christian" nations
For attempting to paint a religious group with the same tarred brush as the other flag waving religious extremists. You've been provoked, and just like any other flag waving zealot, you've responded.
Re:Against who? (Score:5, Insightful)
The korean war was started when North Korea invaded South Korea.
Vietnam war was North Vietnam invading South Vietnam.
Iraq war (desert storm I) was caused because Iraq invaded kuwait.
And afghanistan taliban absolutely were supporting and hiding OBL and AQ when we went in there.
Now, W DID invade Iraq and yes, I agree that we should not have (and I believe that W/Cheney should have charges brought against them for Iraq). BUT, all of the ones that you mention shows me that about the only bigot here is you. Calling this Christian is a joke. America is composed of many religions. OTH, AQ/Taliban/etc are composed of exactly one religion.