Iran Acknowledges Espionage At Nuclear Facilities 175
wiredmikey writes "Iran acknowledged Saturday that some personnel at the country's nuclear facilities were lured by promises of money to pass secrets to the West but insisted increased security and worker privileges have put a stop to the spying. The stunning admission by Vice President Ali Akbar Salehi provides the clearest government confirmation that Iran has been fighting espionage at its nuclear facilities."
espionage... at nuclear facilities? (Score:2)
At least we love peace and motherhood! [youtube.com]
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Iran is being spied upon. And in other news, horoscopes are fake and pie is delicious.
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My horoscope says that delicious pies are spying on Iran!
Who can I trust?!
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Trust Nemo.
Honestly, if you can't trust a fictious post-traumatic stress disorder victim vigilante with his own nuclear-powered submarine, who can you trust?
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I didn't know Captain Nemo was an Iranian, until I watched LXG. I guess they had a nuclear program way back in the 19th Century...
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Well clearly, you can trust these people: Ahmadinejad, Bush, Putin, Obama, Cheney, Limbaugh, Krugman, Bernanke, Geithner, Beck and such.
Re:Obviously (Score:5, Insightful)
lol, the guy mentioned obama in the list (and krugman), and you're all 'you forgot obama, you partisan hack'.
someone's a partisan hack here, and it aint the guy you were replying to.
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lol, the guy mentioned obama in the list (and krugman), and you're all 'you forgot obama, you partisan hack'.
someone's a partisan hack here, and it aint the guy you were replying to.
Give him/her a break, probably public school, and you know how bad the public education system is.
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By that time, the new >65yo crowd will be in and hating all this trendy left wing stuff.
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I didn't know that Ahmadinejad and Putin became members of US Republicans, but it's not surprising.
Also I am pretty sure that while Krugman is a Keynesian shamanistic hack, Obama, Bernanke and Geithner do really belong on the Republican list, after all they are the guys bailing out banks and printing stimulus to pass to the large monopolies, of-course Obama just continued what Bush started, but he did continue it.
As to Cheney, Limbaugh, Beck, didn't you see, I said:
you can trust these people
- so there you go, are you satisfied. Ju
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And the Iranian Dear Leader?
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Umm he did mention Obama. You are looking for bias that at least isn't documented in the above post.
So I would say that you own roman_mir and apology.
Re:Obviously (Score:4, Interesting)
The secret to a good pie crust is 1/4 cup of vodka in place of some of the water. Of course, it burns off in the oven, so if you have an alcoholic at turkey dinner this year, you really don't have to tell them.
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it burns off in the oven
Calm down, man, he knows this. So he drinks it before putting the pie in the oven.
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Through cooling process into a bottle (why waste good stuff?). There is proceeds through my mouth into my stomach. After a couple of hours it ventures on to the sewer system if I only remembered to unzip my pants. Usually it just soaks in to my jeans.
Re:Obviously (Score:5, Insightful)
Of course, it burns off in the oven
This is a dangerous myth (Mythbusters, here's some new material) that it all burns off. Especially in an oven, where is the alcohol gonna go? Into the food!
It's dangerous for diabetics, pregnants, and young children (studies show it inhibits brain development) mostly though. 1/4 cup of vodka is a blip to everyone else.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooking_with_alcohol [wikipedia.org]
That 1/4 cup in a pie crust typically gets cut into 8 slices. So each slice has 1/32 of a cup or about 7.4 mL. According to the wikipedia article, if you cook the pie for only 15 minutes 40% of the alcohol remains which means 4 mL per pie slice. I suppose that could still be dangerous to some, but it's nothing like serving 1/4 cup straight to a person.
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According to the wikipedia article, if you cook the pie for only 15 minutes 40% of the alcohol remains which means 4 mL per pie slice. I suppose that could still be dangerous to some, but it's nothing like serving 1/4 cup straight to a person.
I should point out most pies cook from 30 to 45 mins. I've never had to cook a pie shorter, but while I've done a lot of baking and cooking, I don't like pie so I don't cook them as much.
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"I don't like pie"
You are a freak and must be removed from the gene pool before you reproduce! That is just unnatural.
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Also you're serving them pie, which is already dangerous to diabetics and children.
Seriously, Americans are way too fearful of alcohol. A little bit now and then really won't hurt anyone more than some sugar would.
Re:Obviously (Score:4, Informative)
Fresh orange juice can have as much as 380mg/L of ethanol [sweetpoison.com]. That's a lot higher than your piece of pie. Grandparent poster, do some basic research before you give out health 'advice'.
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That's a lot higher than your piece of pie
In fact, that's a lot lower.
1mL is about 1g (true for water, nearly true for alcohol)
So, to have about 4mL of alcohol, you'd need about 10L of orange juice.
BTW, here's your corrected link:
http://www.sweetpoison.com/articles/dr-woodrow-monte10.html [sweetpoison.com]
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For those people, like you, who have never used an oven, air circulation is designed into all ovens. There is no door seal around the bottom of the oven door, and there is a vent built into the roof of the oven that exits, in the vast majority of cases, under the right rear burner. If there were no air circulation in an oven nothing would brown on top, such as cookies, cakes, turkey, chicken, etc... and nothing would cook evenly.
Turn on your oven and l
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Everyone who is or has been a student in some part of their life should know that alcohol vaporizes in 83 Celsius. And in fact my empirical studies, purely academic of course, have shown that the temperature of the liquid does not rise significantly over 83 C until all the alcohol has been evaporated. (Collect it to a flask and filter it through activated carbon. Just remember to toss the first decilitre away or you might get blind.)
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Yeah, there's a technical term for that. It's called latent heat. As long as the alcohol is absorbing latent heat, in this case the amount of heat (btu's) needed for the alcohol to change state to a gas, the measured temperature of any of the liquid will not change. As for the latent heat required to evaporate methyl, p
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Thanks for the info! That confirms my hypothesis that thermostat is totally useless thing when doing my purely academical studies. It just slows down the process.
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I see. An opportunity now equals a right. I've been wondering how the progressives reach many of their conclusions. Now I understand where they are coming from. They make up their own word definitions as they go. ;)
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They make up their own word definitions as they go. ;)
Dude, Politics 101, you make up words as you go!
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Must be why I'm not a politician....
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It's dangerous for diabetics, pregnants
Current research seems to indicate a drink in moderation is not necessarily bad for pregnant women. [go.com] Also, the majority of the alcohol does evaporate so we're really talking about minimum levels. For 99.999 percent of the population, its not a health risk. Besides, there are so many foods and medications which do include alcohol, a discussion of minimal levels is a complete misdirection.
In this case, we're talking about alcohol suspended in dough, which is in direct contact with an extremely high temperatur
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Have you never opened an oven after baking, say, a frozen pizza, and had the escaping moist heat cloud up your glasses? That's where it goes.
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This isn't spying, this is interfering and undermining in key plans and personell. Probably what got Iran upset with the west in the first place.
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Our intelligence shows that it is actually yellow cake which is delicious.
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Iran is being spied upon. And in other news, horoscopes are fake and pie is delicious.
Horoscopes aren't fake, they're a real thing. They're right there in the back of the newspaper every day, it's the predictions that are fake. The horoscopes themselves are perfectly real, why you'd think otherwise confuses me.
The predictions aren't fake either. They're right there in the horoscope section of your newspaper. They may never come true, but they are real predictions. I may predict that nobody is going to respond to this post and that prediction may end up being true or false, but the prediction in itself is a real prediction. It's the believe horoscope predictions become true that is fake. Why you'd think otherwise confuses me.
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It's the believe horoscope predictions become true that is fake. Why you'd think otherwise confuses me.
You're all wrong. Nothing is fake. The belief is real as well. Unfounded by all means, most probably false, but not fake. Very few people fake their belief in horoscopes, most likely the authors (as long as they get their paycheck). But the target audience does genuinely believe there's some truth to the predictions in their horoscopes.
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Then why are horoscopes different depending on when you were born? If gravity is the reason, the same illness, (mis)fortune or coincidental bumping in with the next love interrest should be based on geographical location, not date of birth.
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Wow, Slashdot attention to details such as these gets amusing sometimes.
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Really I've got nothing to add other than: "yes, people spy on countries that are perceived as 'dangerous' "
I knew it! That's why France must be spying on Canada...
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Damn skippy dude, you can't let a bunch of expat Quebecers wrestling cultural leadership of the francophone world from from it's true source! The Spanish spy on Mexico too!
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the predictions are real too, they're just random and not accurate or precise.
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In that case every single country should spy on US because no other country has been that dangerous to human kind!!
Except that there's no need to spy - it's not like they're being very covert about their actions and intentions. It's more like "Fuck you, I'll do what I want - I'm America! Americaaaaa, FUCK YEAH!!!".
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America will be online very soon. And my karma shall burn. Teehee :)
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Why is that? With your attitude you have nothing but bad karma anyway.
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Really? Because it's been at "Excellent" since not long after I started actually posting.. not all the mods are (or should I say "not everything is") American you know.
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We're talking about real karma, friend.
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I did wonder that. It's a good thing that pretty much everyone else in the world has the same attitude as me, and therefore it will all balance out, or if the concept of karma is actually a load of bunk (what a preposterous idea! of course it's real), then the fact that everyone else agrees and I don't live in America will also do little to hurt me.
I don't actually hate Americans btw, I just have found the attitude of many of them to be rather grating. It's not been so bad since 9/11, but it can still be se
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And that's our bad karma as Americans. We act like arrogant bastards, the rest of the world treats us like arrogant bastards.
It's still a good idea to make sure you're right in every case.
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Good point.. the actual percentage of Americans that actually get upset that the rest of the world stereotypes them as arrogant assholes is probably quite small, owing to them obviously all being a bunch of arrogant assholes :)
Got to love the meta-humour, and once again I await with excitement the experimental results (ie, is my karma is going to burn?) - since this post says pretty much the exact same as my original, but in an even more flamebaitish manner!
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But the secret signal is so practical!
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Whatever makes you think that they don't?
Sure, there are some Third-World hellholes that can't afford a pot to piss in that don't bother to spy on us, but it's probably safe to say that everyone else (including our allies) spies on us.
And for that matter, that we spy on everyone else (including our allies).
All that said, I think it's fairly safe to say that the USSR, China, and Germany have
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So far, the only knowledgeable and correct post on the subject.
Everyone spies on everyone. The only real difference is the degree to which one country actively attempts to spy. For example, US and Briton have excellent communication most of the time and share considerable information so little active spying takes place. Notice I didn't say none. "Trust but verify", is the mantra after all.
As for most dangerous, the US is easily at least fifth from the top. And if you want to throw cultural values into the m
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Setting the bar low (Score:3, Funny)
It's amazing how little we require of foreign powers these days, in order to believe that they're making some sort of tremendous admission. I blame the Iraqi Information Minister [welovethei...nister.com] for causing us to set the bar so low.
No really? (Score:2)
The stunning admission by Vice President Ali Akbar Salehi provides the clearest government confirmation that Iran has been fighting espionage at its nuclear facilities.
Truly amazing indeed...
In other news The Pope acknowledges he is Catholic (Score:2)
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That's not so much a problem now that the Iranian Nuclear Scientists are all living in government supplied "housing" with Armed Guards to protect them from being kidnapped by the CIA.
Famous last words (Score:2)
"Now, these routes have been blocked. The possibility of information leaking is almost impossible now," Salehi was quoted as saying.
I am frankly amazed that anybody would risk getting caught spying in Iran given that they were going to stone a woman to death because she may or may not have cheated on her husband after he died of natural causes. Or is it a double standard: one woman commits a sex crime and they go all mediaeval on her but one of the guys steals nuclear secrets and gets a slap on the wrist?
Four reasons (Score:5, Insightful)
That can be summed up as MICE:
Money. This is an easy one to understand. People are greedy. You find the right kind of person and toss the right amount of money (surprisingly too much can be as ineffective as too little) at them, they'll do it. Yes it is dangerous but then people get in to drug trafficking all the time and that is dangerous even if you don't take jail in to account. The money makes it attractive to some.
Ideology. Some people disagree with the ideals of their government. Some REALLY disagree. This is true in any nation, but Iran probably has more problems than most. If you've not noticed their government has been having a bit of a popularity problem lately to the point of massive protests and fixed elections. So someone may decide it is worth the risk to help a nation they see as having the proper ideology, a nation that can maybe help against the government in Iran.
Conscience. Most humans have one, even if it sometimes has a rather strange calibration. When someone's conscience is offended enough, they may go and do things like espionage despite the risks. Perhaps some people are really worried, they suspect that the reactors will be used for weapons, and they think the government is crazy enough to use them. They don't want to see their country destroyed, so they try and help other nations to put a stop to the nuclear program.
Ego. Some people will do it just for pure ego, just for the thrill basically. They figure they can get away with it, they are smarter than the government, whatever, just pure ego drives them. Stupid? Sure, but then think about how many cases of pure ego pushing people to do stupid things you've seen.
That is just how it goes. Punishments don't matter. The US managed to spy on the Soviet Union successfully plenty, and the punishment there was death after torture basically (torture wasn't official, just a part of the interrogation basically). Spying has been going on forever, and will probably continue to do so. It is generally dealt with very harshly (death is an extremely common sentence in history) but it still happens.
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"Coercion" or "compromise" usually, rather than conscience, which would tend to fall under ideology, whereas coercion is primarily blackmail/initmidation/etc
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Thats why the number one cause of people getting denied/losing their security clearance
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At least cite your source!
Tom Clancy, Red Rabbit. Chapter 15 [google.com]
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You think he made it up? This has been an intelligence maxim for far longer than Clancy has been an author.
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People disagree [youtube.com] with their government's policies/behavior in many parts of the world violently, because violence is used against them.
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"The KGB had plenty of women that were willing to do anything for "Mother Russia"."
Yep, Anna Chapman even went so far as becoming a realtor, *shudder*.
Many nations intelligence services still use honey-pots, indeed only a couple of weeks ago a Rabbi ruled it was okay for the Israeli intelligence services to do this. Israel & Russia (nee USSR) may have excelled at it for decades, but even the various Western European & North American agencies aren't too averse to a technique that's been proven time
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"He died because they killed him!!!"
"Natural Sharia causes".
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that's right AC, compare STONING A WOMAN TO DEATH for a private act to the public act whose consequences are nothing compared to being stoned to death. Or lashes, maybe they'll just give her 40 lashes and leave her physically disfigured. Or dump acid in her face. Yup, those are so comparable.
"Acknowledges" ... (Score:3, Insightful)
... seems a rather odd word for a news source to use in this context. I probably would have gone with "claims" unless the Washington Post has concrete sources saying that such espionage has occurred.
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I'm absolutely sure that the U.S tries to spy on Iranian nuclear facilities. Has it successful turned a number of facility workers? No idea, probably, but I've only got the Iranian spokesman's word for that. In the same way that I only really have the Iranian spokesman's word that the 'Green Revolution' was sponsored and organised by western intelligence agencies.
Just reading the headline (Score:4, Insightful)
"Iran Acknowledges Espionage At Nuclear Facilities"
From the headline, I thought Iran had admitted to espionage at foreign nuclear facilities which would have been more newsworthy.
Why the secrecy? (Score:2)
But the Iranians insist the nuclear facilities are for research and civil uses. It is against islam to create nuclear weapons!
So why the secrecy? Why not be open about everything and build some trust?
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I think if anyone wanted to spy on someone for copying commercially viable nuclear power plant technology, they would be spying on the French, not Iranians.
keeping an open mind (Score:2)
I'm curious about what nuclear innovations the U.S are concerned about gathering intelligence about in Iran's Nuclear program. The likely basis for Iranian Nuclear technology is Russian, but considering the isolation by the global community, Iran's determination to have a nuclear program and the threat of military intervention the pressure on the engineers must be enormous.
Despite Iran's questionable human rights record, when it comes to science and technology we should not discount Iran's achievements. Ma
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More likely the US cares if they are doing things which have more of a weapons angle than a power angle.
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What do you mean *if*. There is very little doubt that this *is* what is occurring and as the old adage says "necessity is the mother of invention".
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Because after Iraq the US would probably prefer to have a little more evidence than "we think" and "it's obvious".
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Because after Iraq the US would probably prefer to have a little more evidence than "we think" and "it's obvious".
In international espionage, you routinely don't get what you want here. The first clear indication that Iran is trying to get nuclear weapons will be when they actually set one off. They'll make that public.
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You still try.
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You still try.
And when you fail, then what? As far as we can tell, Iran is building a nuclear bomb. They have the infrastructure in place including several parts that have been deeply buried at great expense. Sure, the interpretation could be wrong, but this isn't a court of law.
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Depends. The simplest option would be to let Israel take the heat. But there a are good reasons I'm not in the military/espionage business.
The best option would have been to not have blown the load on Iraq when it was obviously the wrong place and hence be able to take more risks this time, but I also don't have a time machine.
Because they are worried about weapons (Score:2)
In terms of technology, no the US has nothing to gain. The latest and greatest in reactor technology is something the US has access to. Some of it was developed there, some developed in the EU, and so on. Nearly all of it is related to making better power generation stations, and as such isn't the sort of thing countries need to keep a tight lid on. The US could have the very latest in reactor tech if they wanted, it is politics that prevent new reactors from being built, not lack of tech.
The concern is tha
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The US isn't interested in technical innovations. They're interested in just how close Iran is to building a nuclear weapon.
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As to Iran coming up with an innovative design, that WOULD be amazing.
They'd damn well better (Score:3, Insightful)
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I would imagine that espionage is a common occurrence within any organization doing something even mildly interesting. I doubt there is a government anywhere that isn't worrying about both sides of the espionage equation. You'd be foolish not to.
What if the information the spies supplied .... (Score:3, Interesting)
... was the details of the PLC applications being targeted by the Stuxnet worm. Hmmmm.
Yes, yes, I am so sure that is true. (Score:4, Funny)
And, there are no homosexuals in Iran either.
I S R (Score:2)
Something to think about (Score:2)
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You should get +1 Recursive, not -1 Redundant.
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You can say that again... and again... and again.
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