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Just Where Is The Lincoln Memorial, Anyhow? 650

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from the those-naughty-republicans dept.
John3 writes "Searching Google Maps for the Lincoln Memorial is returning the location of the FDR Memorial instead. Conservative bloggers smell a conspiracy since Glenn Beck is holding his 'Restoring Honor' gathering at the Lincoln Memorial tomorrow (August 28). Notes for the map listing on Google state 'This place has unverified edits'; so, did someone claim the listing and edit the location?"
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Just Where Is The Lincoln Memorial, Anyhow?

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 27, 2010 @10:34PM (#33400556)

    REAL AMERICANS don't need a map to tell them where their landmarks are located. Anyone that needs to use google maps to locate this rally is a communist or socialist anyways.

    • by ezbo (1596471) <almost_ezbo@live.co.uk> on Friday August 27, 2010 @10:36PM (#33400570)
      Or a visitor?
      • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

        by bky1701 (979071)
        Everybody knows you Europeans and Asians are communist spies. "Visitors" - ha! You want to steal our freedoms!!!!!!

        /s
      • Re:True patriots (Score:5, Insightful)

        by severoon (536737) on Friday August 27, 2010 @11:18PM (#33400812) Journal

        REAL AMERICANS unfortunately have trouble finding the United States on a map, much less a famous landmark. Remember that famous botch job by the Miss America contestant? Because her answer was so stupid most people didn't notice that the question was: why can't 1 in 5 Americans find the US on the map? Yes, I'm an American. Yes, I'm embarrassed by that.

        • Re:True patriots (Score:4, Insightful)

          by Loadmaster (720754) on Friday August 27, 2010 @11:39PM (#33400922) Homepage

          That's nothing, 20% still believe the sun revolves around the earth and 25% believe we got our independence from a country other than Britain.

        • Re:True patriots (Score:5, Insightful)

          by phantomfive (622387) on Saturday August 28, 2010 @12:53AM (#33401234) Journal
          Please tell me you got that information from somewhere other than a Miss America contest, because according to National Geographic, the 94% can find it [nationalgeographic.com] (look on page 26). I'm open to different surveys of different population segments giving different answers, but if your source of information is really a Miss America contest, that's sad.
          • Re:True patriots (Score:5, Insightful)

            by cloricus (691063) on Saturday August 28, 2010 @02:18AM (#33401528)
            Are national geographic seriously saying that 6% of the US population can't point to their own country on a map? And, are you seriously linking to that like it's a good thing? Jeeze...
            • Re:True patriots (Score:4, Insightful)

              by interkin3tic (1469267) on Saturday August 28, 2010 @03:07AM (#33401644)

              Yes. 6% is acceptable. I mean, 100% would be nice, but that's just not going to happen. 6% of respondents may have not taken it seriously, been insane, provided an answer that was unintelligible, meant to say "The US" but accidentally said something else, left the question blank on accident, found the question insulting, been drunk or high, etc or some combination thereof.

              It also says at the top that "The margin of error for the total sample is +/- 4.4 percentage points at the 95% confidence level."

              How does that 6% compare to other countries? I'm guessing it's not that different from many others, and probably a lot higher than many countries with lower education.

              • Re:True patriots (Score:4, Informative)

                by twidarkling (1537077) on Saturday August 28, 2010 @03:08PM (#33405002)

                Your study only samples people 18-24, and also concludes that 50% can't find friggin' New York State on a map. That study doesn't exactly help your cause as much as you'd like to purport, especially when the detailed findings say:

                However, it is concerning that one in ten of those with up to a high school
                education cannot identify the U.S., and one in five cannot find the Pacific Ocean.

                Page 26.

          • by Sycraft-fu (314770) on Saturday August 28, 2010 @03:32AM (#33401698)

            Is that MOST people suck at it. Europeans like to laugh at Americans because they generally know the correct locations of more countries... Forgetting that America is bigger than Europe and knowing the correct locations of some states would be the same relative amount of knowledge. Their geography outside of that area is usually fairly limited. Most know where the US is since it is large and in the news a lot, but often little more.

            For example I guy I chat with online from the UK had visited Brazil and was thinking of visiting the US. He wanted to know where various people he knew lived so he could decide if he was going to try and visit. I knew there was a good chance he didn't know where Arizona was since it doesn't make the news a lot (the new anti-immigration bill non-withstanding). So I told him it was "Just east of California, and just north of Mexico." He said that didn't help. I though he meant he didn't know where California was so I clarified. No, he didn't know where MEXICO was. He thought it was in Central America, near Brazil.

            Thing is, geography is just kinda boring. It is route memorization, and not all that necessary to most people. This is even more true now, what with maps online and so easily accessible. If you need to know where something is, from a countries down to a street, it is easy to locate.

            I also get a little tired of geography snobs because it is exceedingly rare that someone can properly locate all the countries in the world. Never mind the amount of time spent, most people lack a memory that accurate. So when people get snobby about parts of geography but can't do other parts, to me that is just saying "What I know is important, what everyone else knows isn't."

            • by gilleain (1310105) on Saturday August 28, 2010 @04:39AM (#33401858)

              This is all very true of course. As a UK native, I don't know where many of the states are relative to each other. There's an episode of Friends (yeah, yeah, we all watch it sometimes...) where Ross gets increasingly annoyed because he can't even list all the states.

              I've been to Belize, for example, but when telling someone about it forgot that it was in Central America, not South. I think geographical knowledge grows slowly as you get older - and visit more countries.

              However, there is sometimes the impression that US citizens know more about the geography of their own country than of others around the world. I suspect that Europeans who know where all the countries of the EU are (and yet miss many states) also know where, say, Korea is. Or Saudi Arabia. The attitude of "what I know is important" is annoying - but surely there is a middle ground between listing ALL countries and having a balanced knowledge of the whole world.

              Frankly, many foreigners will not know where states are because - as you say - they "don't make the news a lot" :) They aren't individually important in the world, unlike the US as a whole.

              • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

                by tverbeek (457094)

                In my travel around Europe (back when I had the freedom to do that), I found few Europeans who knew much about North American geography. That includes the semester I spent at university in Scotland. OK, they knew Canada, US, Mexico, bunch-of-little-countries, but litte more detail. New York, Florida, and California seemed to be the only states most people knew (or visited). I'm from Michigan and when that name drew blank reactions, I tried explaining that it was the one in the middle of the Great Lakes,

            • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

              by nogginthenog (582552)
              Europe is bigger than the USA. The European Union is smaller than the US.
            • by FuckingNickName (1362625) on Saturday August 28, 2010 @06:43AM (#33402226) Journal

              Well, I stopped taking any geography when I was 13, such choice being a luxury of a non-National-Curriculum school. Some of what came under geography, e.g. resource mining and the worker issues surrounding it, was very interesting to me. But labelling of countries was not stimulating. I remember doing the British equivalent of memorising all the English counties etc. one evening, but today I have to, "Where's that?" for most of them. My brain just doesn't care what or where Northumbria (Northumberland?) and Wessex are. Perhaps it's related that I also hate jargon for its own sake - there seems to be so much of it now computing has become "cool". In both cases, it's all political/marketing.

              However, I don't think people mock the US citizens simply because they are ignorant about the world. The frustration arises because US citizens are ignorant about the world while its elected government exerts tremendous influence on the world. If your democracy is at war, something is very wrong if a lot of citizens don't know where most of the troops are deployed (I would say "which country you're fighting against" but we're having one of those 1984 style wars against no-one and everyone). If your representatives think that Iran is a menace and potentially a good target for war, it should be because you (as a group) generally think the same. If you know nothing about Iran except that women don't get to wear bikinis and that Ahmadinejad hates Israel, something is broken.

              • by phantomfive (622387) on Saturday August 28, 2010 @11:34AM (#33403768) Journal
                Maybe that's why you are frustrated, or your friends, but I've met a lot of Europeans who are quite proud of their knowledge of geography, over Americans. They like to brag that Americans don't know that Yugoslavia broke up as a country, and stuff like that. At first it annoyed me, then I started making references in passing to El Salvador (since I lived there), and when they didn't know where it was, I would say, "Yeah, Europeans aren't very good at geography." That really annoys them and makes me laugh.

                It may be an issue only of Europeans that visit America, because I haven't seen the same thing when I talked to Europeans in Europe, but I'm willing to bet that Europeans are also similarly ignorant of politics. How many know the details of the treaty of Lisbon? What percentage typically vote? While you and your friends might, I'll bet most people don't.
    • Re:True patriots (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 27, 2010 @10:41PM (#33400604)
      Socialists and communists are more likely to know where the Lincoln Memorial is anyway. Lincoln is pretty much [lewrockwell.com] their hero.
    • by Kenja (541830) on Friday August 27, 2010 @11:02PM (#33400734)
      Real patriots would also buy my Lincoln memorial medallion. Made out of solid zinc, electroplated in the purest of copper. This handsom medallion will look stunning in your change bowl. Only five dollars each plus shipping.
      • Re:True patriots (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Golddess (1361003) on Friday August 27, 2010 @11:07PM (#33400772)
        Exchanging one Lincoln for another, I love it.
      • Re:True patriots (Score:5, Interesting)

        by TapeCutter (624760) * on Saturday August 28, 2010 @12:00AM (#33401018) Journal
        Hah, that was actually a very sucessfull scam in the UK, IIRC in the 50's the scammer adverstised a copper medalion of the Queen mounted on walnut to commerorate her corrination, the mail order price was 10 pounds. What you got was a penny glued to a small piece of walnut. He sold thousands of them and was eventually taken to court where he won the case.
  • by mykos (1627575) on Friday August 27, 2010 @10:37PM (#33400576)
    Why the hell DOES it redirect to FDR memorial? http://www.google.com/search?q=lincoln+memorial [google.com]
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by LostCluster (625375) *

      Google doesn't have that accurate a source of landmarks, so they've left them as Wiki-style editable. With such a politically charged event scheduled for tomorrow, it doesn't take that many Beck-dislikers to toy with navigation... anybody trying to find the rally with an iPhone will get the wrong directions if this is allowed to stand.

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        anybody trying to find the rally with an iPhone will get the wrong directions if this is allowed to stand

        uh no. dc resident here. you can see the lincoln memorial from the FDR memorial. while this google thing is odd, yes, if you can't find the lincoln memorial while you are standing around confused at the FDR memorial.. you have bigger problems to worry about.

        aEN

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by im_thatoneguy (819432)

        Interestingly enough since I started reading this story it seems to have been corrected. Then I searched for "FDR memorial" and it moved to bridge.

        I searched for "Franklin Delano Roosevelt Memorial" and it then found it. Now when I search for FDR Memorial it is also in the correct spot.

        Either Google search in the area is buggered or there is a war afoot. :D

  • by InMSWeAntitrust (994158) on Friday August 27, 2010 @10:38PM (#33400578)
    Looking at specific searches, searching for the Lincoln Memorial gets you the FDR Memorial, but searching for the Lincoln Monument gets you the Lincoln Memorial.
    I would imagine that it's simply a matter of the word memorial being attributed to FDR more than Lincoln, for some reason.
  • by thefear (1011449) on Friday August 27, 2010 @10:40PM (#33400590) Homepage

    The memorial is about half a km north west of what google maps highlights. Google maps has been far more wrong before...

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 27, 2010 @10:41PM (#33400598)

    Really, if a self-proclaimed conservative—a jingoistic, flag-lapel-pin-wearing, Go-America!-shouting patriot—a dyed-in-the-wool, red-blooded American doesn't know where the Lincoln Memorial is and can't remember a penny long enough to figure out what it looks like while in Washington, DC, he or she might as well give up right there and then, thrown down his or her misspelled, Obama-Iz-An-Atheest-Moslim-Commie-Crony-Of-Wall-Street-Not-Main-Street signs, exchange his or her copy of Going Rogue for a Socialist party membership card, and get in line to be shipped off to the FEMA internment camps, because some re-education is patently and sorely needed.

  • The answer? Simple (Score:4, Informative)

    by bsDaemon (87307) on Friday August 27, 2010 @10:46PM (#33400646)

    Get off the Metro at Smithsonian. You're probably facing the Capital. Turn the fuck around and go straight.

    • by mlc (16290) on Friday August 27, 2010 @10:50PM (#33400674) Homepage
      The Metro is a communist conspiracy. Real Americans drive everywhere and don't notice that the road are government-funded as well.
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by bsDaemon (87307)

        Real Americans know the public parking garage under the city buildings on North Highland Street, about 2 blocks from the Clarendon metro stop are free on on weekends, and then its only like 4 or 5 stops on the orange line till you're at Smithsonian. Parking in D.C. is impossible, you're likely to get a ticket for being 30 seconds past a meter, and they have a tendency to tow you onto the side walk. People who don't know that they do that then think you're a dick and got the ticket for parking on the sidew

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by beadfulthings (975812)

      They can't get off the Metro at Smithsonian. They've been specifically warned (by some expert patriots from Maine) not to take the Orange Line or the Blue Line except in the safer areas of Northern Virginia. (I've read so many articles about this that I can't give you a cite--might have been Huffington Post...). The best they're going to be able to manage is the Red Line (authorized as safe) to either Metro Center or Farragut North. They're supposed to be safe on the Red line. They're to avoid the Green Lin

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by Alsee (515537)

      Turn the fuck around and go straight.

      It seems a lot of them are always trying so hard (and failing so hard) at that.

      -

  • Typo (Score:4, Informative)

    by adamdoyle (1665063) on Friday August 27, 2010 @10:51PM (#33400676)

    It's actually "Glenn"... not "Glen."

  • by RobinEggs (1453925) on Friday August 27, 2010 @10:51PM (#33400678)
    To the few people here who apparently believe paranoid conservative conspiracy theorists vandalized Google to obscure the location of this rally: are you completely insane?

    I mean, follow the bouncing ball: you're so paranoid that you'd like to hide the location of a giant rally by desecrating Google maps, but you've scheduled said rally at a landmark so famous tens of millions could find it with no maps at all? And how are fellow paranoid conservatives supposed to find said rally? Does Glenn Beck's web page include coded directions, decipherable only by clues so small you'd never notice them if you hadn't read Ronald Reagan's autobiography twelve times?

    You may think Glenn Beck listeners somewhat clinically paranoid and/or politically foolish, but you don't look any smarter, more rational, or less paranoid in believing them both smart enough and rationally motivated to vandalize the map but otherwise too stupid to tie their own shoes.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by im_thatoneguy (819432)

      There isn't a conspiracy here. People ARE vandalizing the Google posting. And they've also vandalized the FDR Memorial posting as well (Who knew FDR's memorial was a bridge?) :D

      Before the night is out I'm sure the Lincoln Memorial will be in Washington State and the White House will be in Manhattan.

  • by Fractal Dice (696349) on Friday August 27, 2010 @10:53PM (#33400688) Journal
    I smell a conspiracy to attempt to bring the US media's favorite vacuous ratings-boosting political flamewar to slashdot by dressing it up in a thin veil of tech.
  • by istartedi (132515) on Friday August 27, 2010 @10:55PM (#33400706) Journal

    If you look for the Jefferson Memorial [google.com], the same thing happens. The Washington Monument and the White House work fine though.

  • by Kaz Kylheku (1484) on Saturday August 28, 2010 @10:46AM (#33403456) Homepage

    You know, you can submit map bug reports to Google, and they respond. I've fixed two already, and they've replied about a third.

    But I suppose submitting a Slashdot non-story is more fun.

  • Lincoln who? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by nurb432 (527695) on Saturday August 28, 2010 @11:07AM (#33403588) Homepage Journal

    Oh, ya, that guy with clinical depression with a touch of megalomania.

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