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IEEE Supports Software Patents In Wake of Bilski 122

Mark Atwood points out this critical commentary on the IEEE's response to the outcome of In Re. Bilski, which points out the contrast between work done by IEEE luminaries like Donald Knuth and lobbying for software patents.
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IEEE Supports Software Patents In Wake of Bilski

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  • Re:speaking of knuth (Score:4, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 30, 2010 @04:58PM (#32750090)

    not happening til 5:30 pacific time

  • lol Roy (Score:5, Informative)

    by Lunix Nutcase ( 1092239 ) on Wednesday June 30, 2010 @05:09PM (#32750194)

    Do people still take Roy seriously? Have people really fallen for his lame rebranding of his site?

    As an aside this was amusing quote:

    The disparity between these views of Knuth (creator of LaTeX, which is Free software)

    Sorry, buddy, but Knuth created TeX. LaTeX was created by Leslie Lamport.

  • by king neckbeard ( 1801738 ) on Wednesday June 30, 2010 @05:25PM (#32750332)
    the original source may be biased, but the press release cited is real and states IEEE-USA is pleased that software patents have been upheld.
  • by tlambert ( 566799 ) on Wednesday June 30, 2010 @05:41PM (#32750496)

    Who writes that crap blog?

    Here is the actual IEEE press release:

    http://www.ieeeusa.org/communications/releases/2010/062910.asp [ieeeusa.org]

    They basically complain that there's still no clear litmus test for patentability because the decision was to vague on the definition of what constitutes "too abstract".

    -- Terry

  • by Lunix Nutcase ( 1092239 ) on Wednesday June 30, 2010 @05:45PM (#32750538)

    Who writes that crap blog?

    Renowned internet troll and FOSS FUDster Roy Schestowitz. His blog used be called BoycottNovell but he renamed it in a lame attempt to get people to forget that.

  • by ScientiaPotentiaEst ( 1635927 ) on Wednesday June 30, 2010 @05:45PM (#32750550)

    Like so many large established organizations, the IEEE seemingly no longer exists to represent their individual members - but more to increase the need for its own existence. Quite a few years ago, I wrote them to relinquish my membership. One particular objection I stated (among a couple of others) is their heavy promotion of professional certification (the exams of which they would administer, naturally).

    It seems to me that they want to become a guild or "engineering bar association". Even were they to grandfather existing members, I oppose such additional gates. They are nothing but protectionist - increasing barriers to entry without adding much societal value. It is clear to me that their support of software patents continues this trend.

    (PS: Lest it seem like I'm frightened of "missing the academic boat", I have a Master's degree in Computer Science with many supporting courses in Electrical Engineering and Space Dynamics - along with 30 years experience in developing e.g. guidance systems & firmware).

  • by DoofusOfDeath ( 636671 ) on Wednesday June 30, 2010 @06:02PM (#32750738)

    I oppose patents, as currently implemented in the U.S., for the same reason I oppose our legal code: There are so many patents / laws, that no one can be confident that he's in full compliance.

    This means that for all practical purposes, the patent system and the U.S. legal code are ex post facto systems: it's a big trap, just waiting for {well-funded patent attorney} / {prosecutor with an axe to grind} to come after you. In both systems this is compounded by the system permitting patent applications / laws to be so vaguely worded that they could easily cover implementations / situations never precisely anticipated by their author.

    Also, in both systems, an innocent person can be bankrupted, or be forced to settle, simply because of the legal cost.

    In summary, both of these systems are significant sources of injustice, enacted by a legislature with little self-control.

  • Make no mistake about it folks - Muller/Mueller is a shill.

    This is the same lobbyist who helped delay the Oracle rescue of Sun. The delay cost 3,000 additional jobs over and above the 6,000 that were originally slated [cnet.com].

    This is the same lobbyist who is trying to pull a Darl McBride on IBM for Turbo Hercules [slushdot.com] - and who "complained to the establishment" when slashdotters down-modded his bullsh*t.

    This is the same lobbyist who is now threatening to "expose" groklaw [slushdot.com] because astroturfers got the boot.

    His latest lie? He's now saying that I've claimed he's a Microsoft shill. I've never said anything one way or another on that topic. His tin-foil hat is too tight - or he can't keep his lies straight.

    He's no friend of the community.

    This court ruling was a win. To say this:

    It clearly favors an expansive patent system, assuming that new technologies must fall within the scope of patentable subject matter unless there's legislation that sets limits

    flies against reality.

    So why does Mueller continue to lie and spread fud? It's what he does - he's a lobbyist. Not a programmer.

  • On the other hand (Score:4, Informative)

    by colinrichardday ( 768814 ) <colin.day.6@hotmail.com> on Wednesday June 30, 2010 @09:36PM (#32752292)

    Here is the part that precedes your quote

    "We are generally pleased that the Supreme Court did not introduce rules that would limit the scope of ideas available for patent protection in our current information age," IEEE-USA Intellectual Property Committee Chair Keith Grzelak said.

  • Re:PJ Lies (Score:3, Informative)

    by tomhudson ( 43916 ) <barbara.hudson@b ... m ['son' in gap]> on Wednesday June 30, 2010 @11:01PM (#32752806) Journal

    Maybe you shouldn't trust PJ so much. She censors Groklaw so that people can't hold an honest debate there. How, you ask? By vanishing and silently editing people's posts.

    By "vanishing" I mean that your post will *appear* to exist when you visit Groklaw. But nobody else will see it. I have verified this via proxies. Oh, and you might say "she only does that to trolls!" Not true. She does it to people she disagrees with. Marbux, AllParadox and one former Groklaw moderator have all parted ways due to this issue. Incidentally, I have logs and screenshots documenting this. I sent them to Florian, incidentally, because I find PJ's actions dishonest.

    If she's only had a falling out with 3 people in 7 years, that's not that bad.

    This is an old story, from since 2004:
    http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_(A_to_Z)/Stocks_S/threadview?m=te&bn=2942&tid=181845&mid=-1&tof=-1&rt=2&frt=2&off=1 [yahoo.com]

    The "I've verified this via proxies" is really a non-issue - other people have since pointed out that other content management systems have similar capabilities. I'll be writing a HOW-TO so that anyone can implement it, because it's a good "circuit breaker" or "fire break" for some use cases. Let everyone take a breather and reflect a bit ...

    That being said, I'm willing to look at the evidence - but it has to be in context.

    Silently editing posts should be more obvious, but it's still quite insidious. One of her supporters wrote something potentially libelous. She deleted the libelous part and *vanished* the reply pointing that out... Quite a bit of whitewash for a supposedly open site, no? Oh, and if your account is deleted, your name is stripped from all your comments. So you don't get attribution any more (ever wonder why some people sign their posts? yeah...)

    You said it yourself - "potentially libelous". It's the same here on slashdot - for example: if you make a death threat to the president, it WILL be removed (it's been done in the past) and any post pointing that out will also be removed. slashdot has no choice - there's a specific law just for dealing with death threats to the president.

    Normal practice on any of the many forums I have administered (as well as many others I have used), is for the mods to write [EDITED] or [SCRUBBED] or something of the sort to indicate the removal of such things. Not to whitewash the lot of it.

    Maybe you should get better forum software :-) Okay, that was a bit of a joke ... but seriously, sometimes it's better for EVERYONE if the post is totally removed. For example, what do you think would happen if, instead of removing 10 of your posts, someone were to write "This post has been deleted because it conflicts with the site's policies"? People seeing that would think "troll" or "spammer". At that point, you'd probably wish they had just silently deleted them.

    All I'm saying is that there's no ideal solution.

    True, it's her site and her rules. She even reserves the right to do that (even while claiming that posters own their own posts). And claims to have found a lawyer telling her it's legally okay. I can accept all of that as true. But it's pretty damned insidious.

    No need for a lawyer to tell her it's okay - it is. You might own your post, but you don't have a contractual or other right to require that someone else provide a platform for you to disseminate it. To the contrary. the only right you have is to use your own resources to get your message out.

    Now, if you had signed a contract that said "posts written by $X will be hosted on site $Y for a period of $Z time in return for the following consid

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