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Swedish Pirate Party Gains 3000 Members In 7 Hours 410

An anonymous reader writes "Due to outrage over the verdict in The Pirate Bay trial, the Swedish Pirate Party has gained 3000 members in less than 7 hours. It is now bigger than 3 of the 7 parties represented in the Swedish parliament. 'Ruling means that our political work must now be stepped up. We want to ensure that the Pirate Bay activities — to link people and information — is clearly lawful. And we want to do it for all people in Sweden, Europe and the world, continues Rick Falk Vinge. We want it to be open for ordinary people to disseminate and receive information without fear of imprisonment or astronomical damages.'"
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Swedish Pirate Party Gains 3000 Members In 7 Hours

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  • by Darkness404 ( 1287218 ) on Friday April 17, 2009 @05:54PM (#27620651)
    Its in 2010, and back in 2006 (coincidently right after another unpopular ruling by Sweden against TPB) they managed to have a very good showing and were only a few members shy of getting government funds for advertising, etc.
  • Re:Wow.... (Score:5, Informative)

    by againjj ( 1132651 ) on Friday April 17, 2009 @05:55PM (#27620669)
    3000 MORE members, for a total of 17,799.
  • Re:So what? (Score:3, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 17, 2009 @05:57PM (#27620681)

    The number of voters will be more than the number of members. Far from everyone who votes for a party is a card carrying member.

  • Re:Wow.... (Score:5, Informative)

    by Goblez ( 928516 ) on Friday April 17, 2009 @05:59PM (#27620713)
    Hahahaha. The truth is that most of these supporters probably are 'leachers', unwilling to actually expend their own effort to support it. But hey, isn't that 95% of America's political party 'supporters' as well?
  • Re:Wow.... (Score:3, Informative)

    by Shakrai ( 717556 ) on Friday April 17, 2009 @06:00PM (#27620721) Journal

    You realize that they, like slashdot, are not responsible for what people post?

    For better or worse (my vote) history suggests [slashdot.org] otherwise.

  • That bunker [datacenterknowledge.com], that one of their ISP has may just come in handy.

    Actually, that ISP is one of our best supporters and we have all of our Pirate Party servers in that bunker. ;-)

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 17, 2009 @06:05PM (#27620779)

    Final count... 5000 new members today.

  • Re:Hold on a second. (Score:5, Informative)

    by MoellerPlesset2 ( 1419023 ) on Friday April 17, 2009 @06:09PM (#27620827)

    They can. Just not the works of people who haven't given them permission. They're TOTALLY free to create works and release them for distribution under whatever terms they want.

    Apparently not. Not if those works happen to inform you about other people who are offering copyrighted material.

    Somehow I don't think they'd have been going after TPB if all the works on the site were legitimately being shared.

    All the works on their site were being shared legitimately. No copyright holders of any .torrent files were represented at the trial. They were not found guilty of actual copyright infringement.

  • Re:So what? (Score:2, Informative)

    by MortimerV ( 896247 ) on Friday April 17, 2009 @06:15PM (#27620889) Homepage

    They gained 3000 members. Sounds like they're around the 18,000 member mark at the moment.

    TFA: "A few minutes ago passed the Pirate Party membership People's Party 17 799 members."

  • EU Elections June7 (Score:5, Informative)

    by Christian Engstrom ( 633834 ) <christian@engstrom@pirat.gmail@com> on Friday April 17, 2009 @06:19PM (#27620945) Homepage

    The elections for the European Parliament are on June 7.

    That's what we're focusing all our efforts on right now. It's an entirely realistic goal, and we're planning to make it.

    /Christian Engstrom
    Vice Chairman Piratpartiet
    Candidate for the European Parliament [wordpress.com]

  • Re:Arghhhh Cap'n (Score:5, Informative)

    by the_one(2) ( 1117139 ) on Friday April 17, 2009 @06:21PM (#27620963)

    There is a pirate party in the US. http://www.pirate-party.us/ [pirate-party.us]

  • Re:Arghhhh Cap'n (Score:4, Informative)

    by Darkness404 ( 1287218 ) on Friday April 17, 2009 @06:21PM (#27620971)
    There is an active Pirate Party in the USA at the moment however it is not formally recognized (yet)
  • Re:So what? (Score:5, Informative)

    by Kjella ( 173770 ) on Friday April 17, 2009 @06:26PM (#27621019) Homepage

    Sweden has 10 million peoeple - 3000 isn't that many. This is like saying "Alaska's secessionist party has 150 more people because Palin lost!" To play a real part in politics they'll need at least 10x as many people.

    I'm sure the three parties with less members will love to hear they're utterly insignificant, being in parliament and all. How many third parties are in the US Congress? Senate? Oh, right. Also, the actual figure as of this moment is over 5000 new members today alone. Let me now give you Swedens biggest parties by current memberships compared to percentage in last election.

    Socialdemokraterna (s) 100639 members - 2006 elections: 1,942,625 votes - 34.99% - 130 seats
    Moderaterna (m) 54858 members - 2006 elections: 1,456,014 votes - 26.23% - 97 seats
    Centern (c) 47866 members - 2006 elections: 437,389 votes - 7.88% - 29 seats
    Kristdemokraterna (kd) 22919 members - 2006 elections: 365,998 votes - 6.59% - 24 seats
    Piratpartiet (pp) 19693 members - 2006 elections: 34,918 votes - 0.63% - 0 seats
    Folkpartiet (fp) 17799 members - 2006 elections: 418,395 votes - 7.54% - 28 seats
    Vänsterpartiet (v) 10700 members - 2006 elections: 324,722 votes - 5.85% - 22 seats
    Miljöpartiet (mp) 9110 members - 2006 elections: 291,121 votes - 5.24% - 19 seats

    I think you can safely say the Pirate Party will do a lot better election next year than 2006. Also this year in June it's election for EU parliament, where they also stand very good chances now.

    Oh yeah, and did you know what is now Swedens biggest youth party?

    Ung Pirat (up) 9400
    Moderata ungdomsförbundet (muf) 9153
    Sveriges socialdemokratiska ungdomsförbund (ssu) 5431

    That's right, "Young Pirate" now has more members than the youth organization of Moderaterna and Socialdemokraterna - Swedens biggest parties. Yeah, politically insignificant. Right.

  • by Fnordulicious ( 85996 ) on Friday April 17, 2009 @06:27PM (#27621039) Homepage

    I don't know what universe you hail from, but most European countries are unarguably socialist to some degree and are doing pretty well for themselves. Have you confused socialism with Soviet-style communism?

    Or perhaps you're just trolling and I've been caught.

  • Re:So what? (Score:3, Informative)

    by dHagger ( 1192545 ) on Friday April 17, 2009 @06:35PM (#27621119)

    The stats from midnight (yes, it's just turned saturday here in Sweden) shows they now have 19693 members - a gain of 4868 members in 12 hours - almost 33%! That makes them the fifth largest party in Sweden, only 3226 members from number four - and almost 1/5 the size of the largest party (Socialdemokraterna) who has 100639 members. Adding to that, their youth organization is now the largest political youth group in Sweden with 9397 members ("Moderata ungdomsfÃrbundet" is second with 9153 members).

    So what the numbers themselves are not that huge, but in relation to the numbers from the major parties - they become significant. Get the snowball rolling and the other parties might have to watch out.

    It is starting to look like the conviction was the best thing that could have happened - a lot of people are upset and are doing what they can to change things!

    Note: all numbers are from the pirate party webpage [piratpartiet.se]

  • by MobyDisk ( 75490 ) on Friday April 17, 2009 @06:36PM (#27621137) Homepage

    He didn't say it was illegal. He said third parties never get anywhere. His statement is a mathematical fact because the US has a plurality system with no run-off. In that system, any vote for anyone other than the top two candidates does not impact the election. In other systems that is not the case. Hence, those systems are more open to third parties.

  • by h4rr4r ( 612664 ) on Friday April 17, 2009 @06:50PM (#27621309)

    I am just pointing out a mathematical fact. In our winner take all system even if a third party got 20% of the vote in every state they would get 0 representation.

  • by mdwh2 ( 535323 ) on Friday April 17, 2009 @06:51PM (#27621313) Journal

    Well, all countries - even the US - are socialist "to some degree", as they have things such as welfare, and Government funded services such defence, education, transport and in some cases health.

    But I wouldn't refer to European countries as socialist, anymore than I would say the US is a socialist country.

    (Not that I agree with the OP in any way.)

  • by mdwh2 ( 535323 ) on Friday April 17, 2009 @07:02PM (#27621453) Journal

    FPTP is inherently flawed, and leads to people just voting for one of the two popular choices. In Sweden however, they use a system of proportional representation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Sweden#Seat_allocation [wikipedia.org]

    There are many different voting systems, all with different advantages and disadvantage, and almost all of them are far superior to FPTP that is sadly used in most countries.

    My pet theory on that is that people want a simple choice, one or the other. When you give them a complex choice, they get frustrated.

    I don't know if that's true or not, but the problem is that FPTP voting is inherently flawed with more than two choices. It's got nothing to do with the mindset of the voter.

    For example, if I ask what people's favourite music is, and the poll options and results are:

    * Electronic music : 35%
    * Heavy metal : 25%
    * Death metal : 20%
    * Thrash metal : 20%

    Then under FPTP, electronic music wins. But clearly, people favour metal to electronic by 65% to 35%! The problem is that if there are multiple similar options, the vote gets split between them.

    There are many other kinds of flaws that can occur in different systems - e.g., take a read of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_system#Criteria_in_evaluating_single_winner_voting_systems [wikipedia.org] .

  • by Kjella ( 173770 ) on Friday April 17, 2009 @07:13PM (#27621573) Homepage

    they managed to have a very good showing and were only a few members shy of getting government funds for advertising, etc.

    Uhhh.. yeah.

    They got 0.63% of the votes.
    1,0% would have given them economic support for printing ballots
    2,5% would have given them economic support for advertising
    4,0% would have given them seats in parliament

    They were young, they were small and while they did make a good splash they weren't even close. The current Pirate Party is a completely different beast in pretty much every sense possible.

  • by clarkkent09 ( 1104833 ) * on Friday April 17, 2009 @07:16PM (#27621599)
    Most of the "civilized" world is run by a watered down version of free-market capitalism with social services thrown in. Even Labour party in UK have realized that private capital is the most effective driving force of an economy ever known and so have most of the other former left wing parties out there. Nobody serious is promoting state ownership of industry as was the case all over the Europe just a few decades ago.
  • Re:Wow.... (Score:5, Informative)

    by The Empiricist ( 854346 ) on Friday April 17, 2009 @07:17PM (#27621605)

    The fact that you have to comply with a DMCA takedown doesn't mean that you're responsible for the comment. It means you're responsible for the comment, only if you ignore the takedown notice.

    That's not quite accurate. If you comply with a DMCA takedown notice, it means you are protected from monetary damages, even if you put the work back up because of a counternotice provided by the user. If you do not comply with a DMCA takedown notice (e.g., if you are one of the countless service providers that has not designated an agent to receive a DMCA takedown notice [copyright.gov]), then you are no longer protected from monetary damages by the DMCA safe harbors. But, that doesn't mean that you are responsible for the user data either.

    If there is no infringement, you are in the clear (unless you get sued but don't defend yourself). If there is infringement, then your liability could depend on factors such as whether you exercise control over what your site publishes, whether you had knowledge of the infringement, whether you promoted use of your site as a place for infringement, and whether you benefit as a result of the infringement.

    Service providers did not want to face the uncertainty of whether the courts would find them liable for their users' content and what factors would affect the outcome of trial. I believe that they were the biggest supporters of the safe harbor provisions of the DMCA. The rights of users and the desire to avoid stiflement of free speech led to the counternotice-and-putback part of the safe harbor provisions (a provision sadly missing in the DMCA safe habor counterparts in parts of the world such as the European Union).

    Unfortunately, the anonymous reader who posted Church of Scientology material (see grandparent comment) did so, well, anonymously. Thus, there was never an opportunity for a counternotice to be submitted by the user who posted the material. Perhaps someone could have claimed responsibility for having posted it and submitted a counternotice. But, that would mean providing a name, address, and telephone number, then consenting to the jurisdiction of U.S. Federal Courts.

    Of course, Slashdot could have ignored the original notice and tried to face down a potential lawsuit from the Church of Scientology (not that I blame them for not wanting to go through that). But, Slashdot would have faced such as threat regardless of the DMCA safe habor provisions. At least the DMCA safe habor provisions meant that there was no need for Slashdot people (or scripts) to scan comments for potentially instances of infringement. And the DMCA counternotice-and-putback provision provided an opportunity for someone else to take on the monetary risks of possible infringement.

    If Slashdot did not take advantage of the DMCA safe habor, or if there were no DMCA safe habors, that would not meant that Slashdot would be liable in court. It would just mean that Slashdot would have one affirmative defense fewer to hide behind and that the question of responsibility would be an open one for the courts to decide.

  • by msuarezalvarez ( 667058 ) on Friday April 17, 2009 @07:49PM (#27621935)

    What a dumb signature...

    Another /. signature addresses your first silly point: atheism is a religion in the same way as not collecting stamps is a hobby.

  • interesting (Score:5, Informative)

    by Eric-Dcrow ( 1532667 ) on Friday April 17, 2009 @07:55PM (#27622003)
    this was posted by Anonymous Coward at another site today but i thought it would fit nicely here. "As to predictions... Thomas Babington Macaulay, 1841, against the extension of copyright http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Copyright_Law_(Macaulay) [wikisource.org] Only quoting the ending, but the speech as a whole is a very good read "I am so sensible, Sir, of the kindness with which the House has listened to me, that I will not detain you longer. I will only say this, that if the measure before us should pass, and should produce one-tenth part of the evil which it is calculated to produce, and which I fully expect it to produce, there will soon be a remedy, though of a very objectionable kind. Just as the absurd acts which prohibited the sale of game were virtually repealed by the poacher, just as many absurd revenue acts have been virtually repealed by the smuggler, so will this law be virtually repealed by piratical booksellers. At present the holder of copyright has the public feeling on his side. Those who invade copyright are regarded as knaves who take the bread out of the mouths of deserving men. Everybody is well pleased to see them restrained by the law, and compelled to refund their ill-gotten gains. No tradesman of good repute will have anything to do with such disgraceful transactions. Pass this law: and that feeling is at an end. Men very different from the present race of piratical booksellers will soon infringe this intolerable monopoly. Great masses of capital will be constantly employed in the violation of the law. Every art will be employed to evade legal pursuit; and the whole nation will be in the plot. On which side indeed should the public sympathy be when the question is whether some book as popular as Robinson Crusoe, or the Pilgrim's Progress, shall be in every cottage, or whether it shall be confined to the libraries of the rich for the advantage of the great-grandson of a bookseller who, a hundred years before, drove a hard bargain for the copyright with the author when in great distress? Remember too that, when once it ceases to be considered as wrong and discreditable to invade literary property, no person can say where the invasion will stop. The public seldom makes nice distinctions. The wholesome copyright which now exists will share in the disgrace and danger of the new copyright which you are about to create. And you will find that, in attempting to impose unreasonable restraints on the reprinting of the works of the dead, you have, to a great extent, annulled those restraints which now prevent men from pillaging and defrauding the living. If I saw, Sir, any probability that this bill could be so amended in the Committee that my objections might be removed, I would not divide the House in this stage. But I am so fully convinced that no alteration which would not seem insupportable to my honorable and learned friend, could render his measure supportable to me, that I must move, though with regret, that this bill be read a second time this day six months." S!
  • Re:Wow.... (Score:5, Informative)

    by shutdown -p now ( 807394 ) on Friday April 17, 2009 @08:06PM (#27622097) Journal

    However while DMCA does handle one side of the equation it does not handle the wrongful use of DMCA notices taking down stuff that is legal. There are no anti-DMCA notices.

    But there are - that's the whole point of DMCA take-down process! Here's how it works:

    User X publishes some material using service provider P. Company Y sends P a DMCA take-down notice, claiming the ownership of said material. At this point P must take the materials down, or accept responsibility for copyright infringement (if Y can later prove in court that the material was indeed infringing).

    You assume that it stops here, but in practice, it doesn't. Here's what follows.

    When P takes down the materials, it notifies X. X can now in turn claim that claims put forward by Y are themselves wrong - and at that point P can put the content back online, without assuming responsibility (it now fully rests with X). Note, this is precisely your "anti-DMCA notice". If Y is willing to stick to their claim, they sue X, and then the court figures out who's wrong and who's right; if the court finds out that the material was indeed infringing, then P finally takes down the material for good, and X (but not P) pays out the damages to Y.

    The reason why counterclaims are very rare in practice is because 1) most material removed under DMCA take-down notices is, indeed, infringing, and the poster knows it very well, so they don't challenge it, and 2) in remaining cases, if people are uncertain about the status, they are often afraid and/or don't have the money to go to court. #1 needs no further elaboration, while #2 is a deficiency with the American justice system in general, not with DMCA.

    Aside from that, it's actually a very reasonable process that results in minimal headache for the service providers, gives content owners a quick way to remove content which is clearly illegal without going to the court for each and every case, and yet allows content posters to defend their rights in the court if they believe they are in the right.

  • Re:Wow.... (Score:3, Informative)

    by AI0867 ( 868277 ) on Friday April 17, 2009 @08:09PM (#27622119)

    You may want to look into DMCA counter-notices [wikipedia.org].

  • Re:Wow.... (Score:2, Informative)

    by thinkloop ( 1386669 ) on Friday April 17, 2009 @08:39PM (#27622393)
    The law, like life, is very nuanced. If you have one bad phone number in a big phonebook, its ok. But if your entire phonebook is full of drug dealers and prostitutes, AND you're making money advertising, the law provides mechanisms to differentiate the two. (disclaimer: I am a drug dealer and prostitute.)
  • Re:interesting (Score:3, Informative)

    by Airw0lf ( 795770 ) on Saturday April 18, 2009 @01:12AM (#27623869)
    That is a remarkably insightful and prescient speech from ~170 years ago that basically explains the problem with DRM today. If copyright is perceived to be enforced unfairly and to the detriment of the end-user then people will work towards undermining it: "Great masses of capital will be constantly employed in the violation of the law. Every art will be employed to evade legal pursuit; and the whole nation will be in the plot." The Pirate Bay is one example of this phenomenon.
  • by tkasd ( 1532407 ) on Saturday April 18, 2009 @03:01AM (#27624305)
    There are currently 7 registered pirate parties in europe, namely in Austria, Denmark, Germany, Finland, Poland, Spain and Sweden. Some more are in the process of founding/achieving formal acknowledgement. See http://www.pp-international.net/ [pp-international.net] or if you prefer a colored map http://piratenpartei.de/navigation/partei/piratenparteien-weltweit [piratenpartei.de] (black: formally recognized; blue: active but not yet formally recognized; red: planned)
  • Re:So what? (Score:2, Informative)

    by the_one(2) ( 1117139 ) on Saturday April 18, 2009 @04:54AM (#27624709)

    I thought this was an interesting question so I looked up. The number of members in 2006 was 9154 (source: http://forum.piratpartiet.se/FindPost138694.aspx [piratpartiet.se] (In Swedish I'm afraid)
    Sverigedemokraterna 3627 members (April 2009) 162,463 votes - 2,93%
    Feministiskt Initiativ 1700 members (December 2006) 37954 votes - 0,68%

    Those two are the only parties that got more votes than the pirate party that didn't make into the Riksdag. It would seem that the membership count in pp has doubled since the election.

  • Re:Wow.... (Score:3, Informative)

    by Zibri ( 1063838 ) on Saturday April 18, 2009 @06:54AM (#27625257)

    Micro howto for signing up in the swedish Piratpartiet:
    1. Go to piratpartiet.se
    2. Sign up as a member
    3. Done.

    So, they are definitly not "paying supporters", and most probably won't lift a finger for "The Cause" (???). I'd probably guess that most are 18yrs, so they can't even vote in the upcoming election for the EU parlament.

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