Israel, Palestine Wage Web War 951
An anonymous reader writes "A war has erupted on the Internet between Israel and Palestine, alongside the war being fought on the ground in Gaza. A new report claims that a group called the 'DNS Team' has defaced an Israeli Website, with anti-Israel graphical images — one in a series of instances of 'e-vandalism.' This sort of e-vandalism, says the author, is not only an inconvenience for Webmasters, but many of the images contain malware links and 'redirects or Flash links to Jihadist forums or blogs.' However, while the Jihadist forums are registered in Saudi Arabia, they are hosted by companies like Layered Tech and SoftLayer in Plano, Texas. On the Israeli side, 'A fascinating approach over the last few days is being made by an Israeli Website, "Help Israel Win," which provides a download so your PC can become part of a worldwide pro-Israeli botnet. So far 7,786 have joined, already a fairly powerful global computing force...'"
Combatants (Score:5, Interesting)
Coherent plan vs. terrorism (Score:4, Interesting)
IMO, it's interesting to note the difference between the two. Israel seems to always have its military act together, beginning with the war it fought right after it got its land [back].
On one side, we have what was termed "e-vandalism." On the other side, we have a very planned strategy to do something, although I don't know what yet.
Just an interesting look into the different ... tactics, if you will.
Disclaimer for contextual reading of this comment: I am pro-Israel, anti-terrorism, and I really do think Israel wants peace and Hamas wants no-live-Jew-on-face-of-earth. This is not an anti-Jew post.
Re:Put things in perspective... (Score:1, Interesting)
I'd say bombing a school and killing 40 children like they did earlier today is worse than that.
Not that I'm supporting the Palestinians here.
They're both sufficiently evil where I can't hold my nose and support either one.
Re:Coherent plan vs. terrorism (Score:2, Interesting)
You may as well ask why the Anarchists of Spain didn't organize themselves into a highly regimented vertical power structure and defeat their enemies rather than being defeated. The answer is, they thought it was immoral. This is practically identical. The Islamic people call the Jews "The People of the Book", and it is their position that those sort of power structures are sinful and wrong.
Disclaimer for the contextual reading of this comment: I am anti-Israel, pro-liberty, and I really do think the people of Israel are racists, thieves and war criminals who need to be stopped, not because of their bloodline, but because of their vicious ideology.
Re:Reality check people (Score:5, Interesting)
The "hacking" part is a distraction from the important part of this story: A massive propaganda war. And the outcome of that propaganda war could be as significant to the outcome of the conflict as the bombs. Even if it just makes either side shy away from targeting civilians, it's still hugely important.
Re:Why is this News? .... 3 (Score:2, Interesting)
3. e-vandalism maybe morph into e-vangelism...
Re:DDOS'ed ?? (Score:3, Interesting)
$ traceroute help-israel-win.org
help-israel-win.org: Name or service not known
but ..
$ whois help-israel-win.org
.. SNIP ..
Domain ID:D154969835-LROR
Domain Name:HELP-ISRAEL-WIN.ORG
Created On:25-Dec-2008 15:18:36 UTC
Last Updated On:06-Jan-2009 18:14:34 UTC
Expiration Date:25-Dec-2009 15:18:36 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:Register.com Inc. (R71-LROR)
Name Server:DNS211.A.REGISTER.COM
Name Server:DNS124.B.REGISTER.COM
Name Server:DNS044.C.REGISTER.COM
Name Server:DNS010.D.REGISTER.COM
and :
$ traceroute DNS211.A.REGISTER.COM ..
traceroute to DNS211.A.REGISTER.COM (216.21.231.211), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
.. SNIP
11 border1.pc1-bbnet1.nyj001.pnap.net (216.52.95.9) 120.914 ms 122.024 ms 124.956 ms
Maybe someone more knowledgeable in this sort of thing can clear this up ?
Free Money (Score:5, Interesting)
1) Start monetized blogs.
2) Copypasta some anti-Israel content.
3) Refer your blogs to giyus.org for listing on Megaphone.
4) Enjoy 15,000+ page impressions per day.
Re:Put things in perspective... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Why is this News? (Score:4, Interesting)
WTF is that?? Are they doing this in other countries? Kinda pissed me off to see another country, 'advertising' their side of the war in another country.
Re:Combatants (Score:3, Interesting)
While insighful, I'm not sure "enemy" combatant applies. After all, most of the world isn't an enemy of Gaza or Israel. There is probably some classification like that (Unlawful combatant?), though I doubt whether there even are legal consequences your country is not involved in the war. It's even less clear if you reside on a country that has a mutual defense kind of agreement with of one of these countries.
Yes, joining on such a botnet is stupid. Yes, joining such a botnet in wartime would be stupid, possibly in a legal way. Yes, joining it while in one country would be even more stupid if your country were to lose and you get caught by the occupying army. Yes, joining while in the target country would be supremely stupid.
But it would be interesting to hear a lawyer weigh in on this
Re:Combatants (Score:1, Interesting)
Original poster is correct:
Also, if you have, or someday think you might need to get a US government security clearance (needed for many govt/defense relate jobs), you might won't to think twice.
I distinctly remember answering a question relating to acting on behalf of a foreign government or terrorist entity. Israel is one, Hamas (according to our government's definition, which I happen to agree with) is both...
Re:Put things in perspective... (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm a Muslim and my lunch break is almost over so I can't really write as long of a post as I wanted.
I agree that this war needs to stop, Palestinians and Israelies need to sit down and freaking figure out how to not kill 600+ people over a weekend.
The solutions presented by both sides so far are ridiculous:
a) Throw them in the sea (Palestinian solution)
b) Exterminate them (Israeli solution)
Both sides are idiots, hard headed and are in serious need for an adult conversation.
As a side note to the GP regarding extremist Muslims (or as I like to call them douche bags), if they read Quran they'll stop this my god is bigger than your god bull, here's a quote:
Al Baqara (002.136)
Say (O Muslims): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, and that which the prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered.
P.S.: It's refreshing to see a post like yours on Slashdot :)
Re:Reality check people (Score:2, Interesting)
Which other side are we talking about?
Israel, while it has hit civilians is doing it's best to not target civilians specifically while Hamas is purposely trying to hit civilians with it's rocket attacks. I don't think propaganda will stop Hamas, The leaders of Palestine couldn't, the international community couldn't, Irael retreating from the Gaza stip had no effect. Israel is already attempting to not hit civilians (even though there are still civilians casualties) and is justifying their targets with Military goals like Hamas operatives or weapons stashed.
This won't be like the Hezbollah situation a while back, for one, Hamas did more then kidnap and kill a soldier, they are launching rockets into civilian populations. Hezbollah didn't launch rockets until after Israel went into Lebanon to attempt to get the soldiers back. For two, Israel refused to respond militarily for quite some time while attempting to exhaust diplomatic efforts with the elected leadership of the Palestine territory before mounting the current military operations. Finally, when all else failed, Israel defended itself.
Re:Oh boy... (Score:3, Interesting)
Debellatio is another latin term that describes the aims of both parties in this conflict.
Re:Jews Are Evil, Land & Water Theives (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Coherent plan vs. terrorism (Score:3, Interesting)
Hamas was the least corrupt party on their ballot. It's understandable that they voted for Hamas, and it doesn't justify the suffering Hamas has caused them.
Re:-1, flamebait (Score:3, Interesting)
Different situation entirely.
Replace bank robber with foreign army. No SWAT team or rescue mission wants to kill the hostages, but sometimes it happens. Should the rescuers be held responsible for the deaths of the hostages? Depends.
A SWAT team has a lot more to answer for than a military. If Hamas hides behind civilians and the Israelis mow them both down, who do you think is to blame? Hamas KNOWS there's an entire nation's worth of armed forces coming for them, and they KNOW that they might not stop for civilians. So they hide behind them? They're the ones that are 100% at fault for this.
Re:Fighting Cultures, Not Religions (Score:1, Interesting)
Yes, well, so what?
To the civillised world, it just looks like a bunch of religious loonies, stuck in the dark ages, with mega chips on their shoulders who hate each other "just because" have gone on another one of their fruit breaks.
It looks so childish and backward, the whole situation, I really wish the civillised world would ignore the Middle East (Israel, Gaza, Iran, Iraq, etc.) leaving them to fester in their own self-induced pus while we get on with being human beings.
I speak for civillisation here when I say, "We are sick and tired of this nonsense. We are sick and tired of you (all sides). When you have grown up we might invite you to join the international community. Until then, until you learn, you are condemned to rot in your own hell."
If I had my way, I'd turn the entire region, and all the animals that think they are human beings there, into glass from a nuclear raizing.
Get a life you pathetic vermin.
Re:Fighting Cultures, Not Religions (Score:2, Interesting)
Over the past 10 years Israel has killed far far more Palestinians.
But your right part of this is about land. A land that was taken from Palestine without them having any say.
Lets not forget either that this current crisis did not start with Palestine shooting missles into Israel but that Israel shot and killed 3 Palestinians that were on there own side of the fence. It seems that the media keeps saying this was started by Hamas with missles. Really Israel started this with unprovoked murder and Hamas retaliated.
Re:Idiots (Score:3, Interesting)
It is only irrelevant because people ignore when Hamas attacks Israel and provokes an attack. Instead, people focus on how Israel is hurting the poor, terrorist loving Palestinians who elected a terrorist group to power and allow them to fire rockets into their bigger, better armed neighbor.
You people even excuse brainwashing young men and women into blowing themselves up.
Re:Fighting Cultures, Not Religions (Score:2, Interesting)
This week is lopsided only if you ignore history..... It's more a question of land. The Pals want it, the Israelis won't give it, end of story.
As you quite rightly say you shouldn't ignore history, however, you are only considering more recent history and you should look back 60 years. Israel was created in 1948 with land taken away from the Palestinians - all they want is their own land back!
Re:Put things in perspective... (Score:3, Interesting)
Any religion which rejects Jesus as God is automatically incompatible with Christianity.
If you'd said that in the first place I wouldn't have argued the point. That's just true from definition. But you brought up the Trinity. That's a different matter entirely, because the location of the Trinity within Christian orthodoxy is a controversial topic.
Whether or not you are aware of it, this identical argument (that any one who rejects the Trinity isn't really worshiping the same God as the true Christians) is a lynch-pin in the Baptists explaining why Mormons are an evil devil cult rather than a different branch of Christianity.
Re:Reality check people (Score:5, Interesting)
Actually, I get quite a bit of my news from outside the US. Al Jazeera [aljazeera.net] does a good deal of reporting in the area and they have a pretty neutral tone. The BBC is reporting pretty much the same as I have claimed and most of the other foreign press that have English sites that I have seen do the same.
Anyways, if you think Palestine is getting their message out, I would argue that they have been for a while. [youtube.com] It's probably why your sitting there trashing Israel's version right now. Well, not really trashing but raising the point of suspicion. If you follow the plot so far, Israel backed out of Gaza completely pursuant to a cease fire agreement brokered by the Egyptian government. It ended in December around the 19th or so. In october, Hamas start launching mortars and rockets into Israel at a slow pace and Israel attempted to get the elected Palistinian authority to make it stop pursuant to the agreement. This appeared as if it worked then stopped working then worked then stopped again. For a Christmas present, Hamas launched some 30 rockets into Israel which Israel finally responded to taking out a mortar team, killing one and injuring two others. Hamas stepped up it's attacks and Israel went full blown into what we are seeing now. Hamas has closed a checkpoint along the Egyptian border which was has loads of medical aid. Egypt has offered to take critical patients and offered to set up refugee camps for the innocents at the border. Hamas [zimbio.com] has stopped the aid from getting in and stopped the injured from getting out. They have even stopped the innocent civilians from moving to the borders by firing on their own civilians who were fleeing to it. A representative from Hamas attempted to portray it as an unjustified response because there is an election coming in Israel in February 2009. Hamas Claimed it was being attacked so the politicians could manipulate the elections. A reporter asked about this bit of news [ynet.co.il] floating around and the interview ended. I can't find the actually link to the report I originally read.