Israel, Palestine Wage Web War 951
An anonymous reader writes "A war has erupted on the Internet between Israel and Palestine, alongside the war being fought on the ground in Gaza. A new report claims that a group called the 'DNS Team' has defaced an Israeli Website, with anti-Israel graphical images — one in a series of instances of 'e-vandalism.' This sort of e-vandalism, says the author, is not only an inconvenience for Webmasters, but many of the images contain malware links and 'redirects or Flash links to Jihadist forums or blogs.' However, while the Jihadist forums are registered in Saudi Arabia, they are hosted by companies like Layered Tech and SoftLayer in Plano, Texas. On the Israeli side, 'A fascinating approach over the last few days is being made by an Israeli Website, "Help Israel Win," which provides a download so your PC can become part of a worldwide pro-Israeli botnet. So far 7,786 have joined, already a fairly powerful global computing force...'"
Re:Oh boy... (Score:5, Informative)
Yeah, a Carthaginian Peace.
GIYUS (Score:5, Informative)
theres also GIYUS (im not gonna link) they have 40,000 members regularly trolling on large forums and newspapers such as Guardian regarding any topic about Israel/Palestine
this been going on for long time
Re:If only... (Score:3, Informative)
The papers today said the Isralies killed dozens in a UN school
To be fair, it seems that (according the army) terrorists were firing mortar shells from structure moments earlier [ynetnews.com].
Re:Awesome! (Score:5, Informative)
It should be noted that local Israeli media is strongly recommending to stay away from this website and not to download the software it is offering, citing reasons of the illegality of the action and the obvious possibility of your PC being hijacked for other purposes.
Sorry, I couldn't find a link in English.
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3650277,00.html [ynet.co.il]
Re:Combatants (Score:3, Informative)
At least without a Letter of marque [wikipedia.org].
Re:If only... (Score:5, Informative)
Uh, they posted video of mortars being fired from that school last week. [youtube.com] Was it currently being used? We have no way of knowing, but that's how all intelligence works.
Point being the elected government of Gaza was using a UN non-military building as a base of operations to launch attacks on a civilian populace.
Re:-1, flamebait (Score:2, Informative)
If 3 men rob a bank, and the SWAT team has to storm it, and innocent people die, do you blame the SWAT team, or the bank robbers? Any harm that comes to someone as a result of your criminal actions is your fault.
Some of the liberals around here whom are condemning Israel would likely be upset if the SWAT team dared to use deadly force. The robbers should have been captured alive no matter how many innocent people they kill or how many shots they take at law enforcement.....
Like the SWAT team, the IDF tries to minimize civilian casualties (called collateral damage in military matters), but should NOT be held responsible for those deaths.
Indeed. How often do the Palestinians phone the pizzeria ahead of time and warn everybody therein that it's about to be attacked and they should get out?
Re:If only... (Score:5, Informative)
just to be specific they posted the video last week, however it was shot in Feb/2008.
Re:If only... (Score:5, Informative)
er 2007.
that's what I get for trying to be specific.
"Help Israel Win" site down, and probably phony. (Score:3, Informative)
The Help Israel Win [help-israel-win.org] site is down. But Google's cache of the site [209.85.173.132] is available, so that seems to be the site mentioned.
From the cached page, this sounds like just another attempt to install malware. "How can you help? You download and install the file from our site. The file is harmless to your computer and could be immediately removed. There is no need for identification of any kind - anonymity guaranteed!" There's no indication of who's behind this, and the only contact point is a GMail address.
The domain is registered anonymously through some Register.com front organization in Portugal. It's currently not resolving at all. DNS is on a Register.com server.
Probably had nothing to do with Israel at all.
Re:If only... (Score:1, Informative)
Google is your friend. Here's a drone video of palestinian terrorists firing from that same school:
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/01/israel-hits-terrorist-rocket-launch.html
Re:Coherent plan vs. terrorism (Score:5, Informative)
If the difference between a legitimate military campaign and terrorism is a plan
No. The difference is a matter of perspective and who controls communication resources.
A suicide bomber is merely a poor country's F-16.
Re:Put things in perspective... (Score:2, Informative)
Think of Gaza as basically the South Philly of the Near East. It is a tiny place, densely populated. By provoking a retaliatory attack on their own tiny, densely populated city, the Arabs sealed the fate of innocent civilians. There is no way to wage war in this area without hitting civilian targets. It's not as if there is some big "military/political" sector separate from some "civilian" sector. If you expect Israel to be nicer / more careful after this most recent provocation by the Arabs and the Hamas leadership, you are not paying attention. Israel is saying the line has been drawn and crossed, and they aren't going to back down.
Cyber Suicide Bomb (Score:2, Informative)
# rm -rf /
Re:-1, flamebait (Score:5, Informative)
If 3 men rob a bank, and the SWAT team has to storm it, and innocent people die, do you blame the SWAT team, or the bank robbers?
If the swat team accidentally shoots innocent people, then the swat team is at fault. In fact, courts have backed this up - if you're in a bank, doing legal business, and a cop shoots you while trying to stop a robbery, you're getting your medical bills paid by the city, and if you die your family will win a wrongful death suit.
If a police car smashes into your auto while chasing someone else, the city pays. You can't shoot me in a bank and say it's the bank robbers' fault. It just doesn't work that way.
US soldiers have been court martialed for collateral damage, there were some airmen from here in Springfield who were in pretty deep shit because they accidentally bombed some Canadians in Afghanistan. Nobody blamed the Taliban for the Canadian deaths.
If you're going to shoot, it is your responsibility to hit the target and ONLY the target.
Yes, Hamas are monsters. So are the people they're fighting.
Re:If only... (Score:2, Informative)
Shock and surprise? He was a rocket maker and it even makes reuters [reuters.com], I mean seriously.
Lets not forget that the Pallies regularly used ambulances in the past to transport everything from IED's, suicide bombers and belts to rockets and mortars, and also break every rule that we have regarding the laws of war too. That includes using civilian structures, religious buildings and hospitals as attack points. Because we know that any bad press from counter attacks is just bad for us.
Too bad the world media would rather use stringers rather then investigate, now I'm not even going to get onto the whole Pallywood thing with staged photos or anything but they do that too(Oh Green Helmet Guy...). Lets not forget that the journalists and I use that term loosely here, often embed directly with them. Their lives are their own if they're getting shot at.
Oh lets not forget that there's a pile of aid sitting at the egypt/gaza border either but hamas won't open it. I mean seriously do a bit of research.
Re:Coherent plan vs. terrorism (Score:1, Informative)
Excuse me?
The Hamas broke the cease-fire agreement.
This war is retaliation for the rockets hitting the city of Sderot the last 2 months, thus violating the cease-fire.
The Hamas was not defensive in breaking the cease-fire, it was outright offensive.
The Hamas shoots rockets out of Mosques, Hospitals and Schools, do you see that as moral?
Re:-1, flamebait (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Put things in perspective... (Score:4, Informative)
Allah is Jewish.
Actually, Jews, Christians, Muslims, and Mormons, all worship the same God, they just disagree on who was the last prophet.
Re:Jews Are Evil, Land & Water Theives (Score:4, Informative)
Atheism is not an idealism. It is the absense of religious ideology and more specifically, the absense of belief in things like gods and fairies.
Muslums just can't get along with their neighbors (Score:1, Informative)
Palestine and Israel. Modern day Syria and Jordan are occupying over 70% of 'Palestine'. Yet, the Muslums rain down hatred on the smaller Israel and proclaim how everything is the fault of the Jew. The Palestines rain down rockets and mortors with the intent to inflict massive civilian death, while Israel uses tactical weapons to minimize civilian death. Israel telephones targets, sends out flyers and detonates 'Sound Bombs' to warn civilians that a military target situated in a populated area is about to be hit. Hamas then forces women and children into these buildings, then parades the bodies around when the cameras come by. Heck, they've been caught robbing graveyards of 3 day old children, so they could have a body to parade around. Then they claim the moral high ground. When was the last time a Jewish suicide bomber attacked a school bus, pizzeria, hospital or marketplace?
Muslum insurgency in the Philipines has Muslims killing anyone who opposed being subject to Sharia law. Do you think they give a rip about Palestine and Israel?
India and Pakistan - the Muslums have been declaring war on the Hindu inhabitants of India for nearly a hundred years. Do you think they give a rip about Palestine and Israel?
How about the Chechen Rebels in Russia, attacking a high school? Do you think they give a rip about Palestine and Israel?
How about the Taliban in Afghanistan? Do you think they give a rip about Palestine and Israel?
I could go on, but I think you get the point.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_in_the_Muslim_world#Current_conflicts [wikipedia.org]
Re:If only... (Score:5, Informative)
Oh lets not forget that there's a pile of aid sitting at the egypt/gaza border either but hamas won't open it. I mean seriously do a bit of research.
Seriously? I heard that Egypt wouldn't open the Gaza border because they don't want the Palestinians fleeing into Egypt, where they would cease being Israel's problem.
Re:Reality check people (Score:4, Informative)
I see that Israel is doing pretty well on their side of the propaganda war. Your comment is pretty much exactly what Israel is saying, and it's completely different from what the Palestinians are saying. Israel has traditionally had a lock on the news coverage of this dispute, especially in the United States. The interesting part about the Web in this story is that Palestine is managing to get their side out somewhat more effectively than usual - see, for example, http://www.reddit.com/r/politics [reddit.com]
Re:Fighting Cultures, Not Religions (Score:4, Informative)
Not according to any credible news source I've seen. All major international news organizations credit Hamas with rocket attacks prior to Israeli response.
Re:If only... (Score:3, Informative)
2007. 2006. Bah.
How about at the time the school actually got done in? [bbc.co.uk]
Two known militants among the dead who are known to be associated with rocket-firing squads. Named.
The palestinians elected a government that will hurt its neighbours and put their kids in the line of return fire. They got exactly what they asked for. Their own kids, dead.
One of Israels leaders said once that Israel will have peace with its neighbours the day they love their children more than they hate Israel. Egypt and Jordan wisened up. The palestinians haven't yet.
Re:Jews Are Evil, Land & Water Theives (Score:4, Informative)
Wrong. That's like saying not collecting stamps is a hobby.
Damn it; damn it; damn it: We have words; can't we please use them correctly?
Atheism is the belief that there is no god. That's what the goddamn word means. Agnosticism is the belief that one has no knowledge of God or his/her/its existence. Look at the damn word roots.
By definition, atheists are not agnostic, because they do claim knowledge: They assert that God does not exist. So the set of atheists and the set of agnostics are disjoint. They are also of course both disjoint from the set of theists.
OK? That's how it works. Atheists believe that the statement "God does not exist" is true; theists believe that the statement "God exists" is true. The end.
(Don't be offended: Calling atheism a belief in no way belittles it, and as a statement by itself is not equivalent to calling atheism "another religion." Beliefs in nonexistence can be quite justified. In math, we have theorems dedicated to showing nonexistence. And in real life, the belief that, say, purple unicorns do not exist is probably correct! But it's still a belief. That's what the words mean.)
Re:Reality check people (Score:1, Informative)
Reddit is ridiculously biased. More than half of the anti-Israel videos are found to be taken out of context or just plain lies.
Re:Hipocritical summary (Score:3, Informative)
Hamas spends five years launching rockets at schools and residential areas and not one word from anyone. Israel decides it has had enough and acts to stop the cowardly fucks and people complain about how mean Israel is and how it is hurting the Palestinians.
If Hamas had not fired rockets into Israel again, after taking a six month break to build more and better rockets, then none of this would have happened.
Re:Coherent plan vs. terrorism (Score:3, Informative)
Jews and Arabs (and christians for that matter) have lived peacefully together, in that area, for hundreds of years at a time.
I am not sure exactly how "peaceful" it has been since, if I remember correctly, around AD 600, when Mohammad and the Qur'an showed up.
Yes, I do buy the no-live-jew-on-the-face-of-the-earth line. Read the Qur'an and find out what they think about Jews and the land Israel possesses. The more extreme Islamic believers, if memory serves, believe that they should have conquered pretty much the entire world already.
There are things intrinsic in the Jewish and Islamic religions that make it difficult to tolerate the existence of the other. For the orthodox Jew, something like a mosque on top of the temple mount is going to be pretty annoying, wouldn't you say? Furthermore, in the Old Testament, the Jews were commanded to not allow any false religion in their lands, no other gods, etc.
As for Christians, most orthodox Jews aren't too happy with Christians (Jesus == Messiah is something a Jew has to come to grips with if he is to accept Christianity). Muslims and Christians have an even bigger problem than Muslims and Jews, except that Christians are not currently occupying "their" land.
You're right, Israel wants land that they haven't had for 2000 years (but were given it in '48 or '49, whichever year that was). Why haven't they had the land? Well let's see. First Rome decided to wipe them out (and Christians, which were seen as a Jewish sect by most of the pagan Roman empire). Next, the "Holy Roman Empire," the Roman Catholic controlled Europe, was pretty anti-Semitic as well, as well as anti-Islamic (hence crusades, etc, which - if I remember correctly, again - were more against Arabs/Muslims than Jews, as Jews were scattered - referred to as the "diaspora" at times). Muslims/Islamic groups have more or less had control since the very violent Mohammad showed up, with the crusades now and then taking over territory. My history is a bit fuzzy after that, but eventually we get to Hitler, who went on a kill-all-the-Jews-because-they-are-inferior (as well as other groups, yes) rampage. Finally, in the middle of the 20th century. Israel was given its tiny, tiny, tiny strip of land back after 2000 years.
And if you think it doesn't have to do with religion, what DOES it have to do with? After all, it's just a very small piece of land. Not even all that great for agriculture and whatnot.
Also, lest I come across as anti-religion, I'm not... plus, I have read both the OT and the NT, so the Jew/Christian stuff is quite familiar to me.
Re:Oh boy... (Score:3, Informative)
They call for the destruction of Israel in present form because it has occupied a lot of other's land and kicked a lot from their home.
Israel didn't occupy anybody else's land beyond the original mandate until she was attacked by her neighbors. And what of all the Jews that were kicked out of their homes in the neighboring countries? Why don't we see any mention of them? Your sympathy is pretty one-sided.
If you were kicked out of your home, wouldn't you fight against the occupier ? or just sit idle and pray for him ?
When my country launches a war of aggression with the intent of destroying a neighbor and loses said war then I'll worry about being kicked out of my home.
Re:Oh boy... (Score:3, Informative)
empathy for the victims, not increase them.
There's nothing wrong with empathy for the victims. There's everything wrong with blaming Israel for their predicament. If Hamas obeyed the laws of war and fought in the open under uniform I suspect that civilian casualties would be greatly reduced.
Re:Oh boy... (Score:3, Informative)
Where is the evidence to your allegations that many jews were kicked out of their home in neighboring countries ?
Evidence [wikipedia.org]
Re:Fighting Cultures, Not Religions (Score:2, Informative)
A modern military force aggressively and methodically assaulting a primarily civilian region...
They aren't given any choice. Hamas, like Hezbollah, deliberately places military equipment and personnel in densely populated civilian areas.
Re:Fighting Cultures, Not Religions (Score:3, Informative)
NT and XP were developed by Microsoft Israel
No they weren't, Microsoft Israel is a pretty small shop with no significant software development. Intel, on the other hand, is another story; much of its cutting edge CPU technology is in fact developed in Haifa.
Re:Idiots (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Oh boy... (Score:2, Informative)
When the French Resistance killed German occupiers there were reprisals against the native population too. Who do you side with on that one?
I have heard this line of reasoning many times before; it seems to be a popular one made in support of the Palestinians' actions against Israel, and against Israels' actions towards the Palestinians. Let's take this one apart and expose the errors of reasoning at work:
1. Brief History of the Region: the region has historically been populated by both Jews and Arabs. The Ottoman empire controlled the region until the British took it from them during World War I. The British denied both Jews and Arabs any real self-governance. After World War II, the Palestinian land was divided into Israeli and Arab regions by the UN as a compromise. The Arab states around Israel promptly invaded the new nation in 1948, and were beaten back by the newly-formed state of Israel, which annexed parts of the Arab lands during the wars. Subsequent wars have erupted, notably in 1956, 1967, and 1973, with territory continuing to change hands both during the wars and afterwards in treaties and agreements between Israel and the Arab nations.
From point #1, we see that, while France has been French for a relatively long time, the same cannot be said of Israel or Palestine, both of which comprise regions historically occupied by the two peoples currently at war, regions in dispute to this very day. To treat such a gray area as black-and-white is to ignore the heart of the matter entirely.
2. The German army invaded a sovereign nation, France, unprovoked, and then occupied it, extracting money from it and requiring mandatory labor of its inhabitants. The Israeli army has blockaded Gaza, but has not invaded it until now. During the blockade, the Palestinians have had self-governance; money has not been extorted from them, nor has the Palestinian population been made to attend forced labor camps. The invasion came in response to constant rocket fire from Gaza, a clear provocation.
From point #2, we see that the circumstances under which each invasion was perpetrated were very different from one another. The French did not fire rockets or send suicide bombers into Germany prior to the German invasion, and the Germans occupied and exploited France for years.
You're so close to proving Godwin's law! Just take it one step further and call Ehud Barak Hitler, and your journey towards the dark side will be complete.
Re:Idiots (Score:2, Informative)
The irony is that Israel is slowly committing genocide on the Palestinians and nobody's doing anything about it.
Well it's not a very successful genocide -- the number of Palestinians keeps getting larger [wikipedia.org]