Obama Campaign Seeks LAMP Developers 488
kgamiel writes "The Obama campaign's CTO is hiring LAMP-biased geeks for the Boston office to help elect the Senator in the fall. This got me to wondering, what if he instead announced a SourceForge project toward the same end? What would such a project look like? Tools that both sides could use 'equally' would not achieve the desired end. And philosophically, could the Open Source community support one side in a competition such as this? What other issues does this raise?" Another reader notes that the Obama campaign is also searching for a security expert to plug the holes that allowed a hacker to redirect Obama's site (Linux/Apache hosted by GoDaddy) to Hillary Clinton's (Windows/IIS hosted by Rackspace).
An Obama OSS project ?? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:But they're anarchists! They can't have meeting (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:But they're anarchists! They can't have meeting (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:An Obama OSS project ?? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:But they're anarchists! They can't have meeting (Score:2, Insightful)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments#Killing_or_murder
And frankly your argument sounds like the kind of technicality that allows some so called Christians to support Bush.
Oh God (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:But they're anarchists! They can't have meeting (Score:2, Insightful)
Christians have engaged in war for centuries, it's a well-established tradition. ;-)
"Those who beat their swords into plowshares usually end up plowing for those who kept their swords." - Ben Franklin
Oh, and by the way, for the most part Bush has done a fine job. You'll regret it if a Dem is elected.
Nothing here, move on.. (Score:5, Insightful)
No, it would be silly to put up a sourceforge project for a candidate. Better concentrate on how best to use existing tools.
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Our generation is coming up (Score:4, Insightful)
despite im 33 years old and many of you are over 40, and many of you below 25 even, we belong to a single generation - information age generation. this super generation is people who got influenced with the advent of information technology, from 60s and on. at those decades, the impact was limited to whomever worked in the i.t. field. but with the spread of the ibm personal computer compatibles, it reached a broader segment of the society (and internationally too) and with the internet it reached the masses. however, up to this point, the world has been ruled by representatives who had little to do with those changes. either because they are too old, and information revolution did not affect them (because they werent in field of i.t. in 60s and on) or because they were much older, derelict of cold war era.
clinton is an example of the former - despite she was young at the onset of 60s and 70s, the real start of this information revolution, she had nothing to do with i.t., wasnt working in an i.t. field, and henceforth remained out of these changes.
im not even talking about mccain.
obama is different. he is young enough to have lived his youth at the time when information revolution was reaching masses, and he had enough exposure to i.t. (and very probably to open source ideals) during his time working in community service.
he is an example of how the future will be. as the older generation of (i say dinosaurs) phase out, this new generation - practically 'our' generation, because internet causing people to do everything together regardless of nation and location - is going to take over the world step by step. rightly so, because that is the nature of life.
and things will change. see this difference in approach in between those 2 candidates (one seeking lamp developer, not even asking a college degree, and hosting their stuff on lamp servers, the other is going all old big buck style, hosting their stuff on microsoft iis) signifies the difference in understanding in between them.
change will come faster in europe, because europe did not experience mccarthyism of america, that killed the potential change a few generations would be able to bring in 50s and 60s. therefore the transition there is smoother, because there didnt happen a lost generation that was not able to take positions of government, power due to scaremongering.
in u.s. it will be a bit harder. because mccarthyism scaremongering in between 50-60s caused that period to be one of stale progress up until the end of 60s. big corporations are going to fight back in u.s., whereas in europe they are already kept in check with Eu institutions.
im turkish, i live in turkey, irrelevant to many stuff that is happening in u.s., and im an obama supporter. that is because he is one of the spearheads of our broad information-age/new generation to bring change, regardless of where that change happens, we all should support each other.
Re:No, not SourceForge (Score:3, Insightful)
Section 3b is about physical media (e.g., cd, dvd). Do you expect to be able to order a cd with the source code for every GPL program you download from the internet?
From the GPL FAQ:
How can I make sure each user who downloads the binaries also gets the source?
You don't have to make sure of this. As long as you make the source and binaries available so that the users can see what's available and take what they want, you have done what is required of you. It is up to the user whether to download the source.
Our requirements for redistributors are intended to make sure the users can get the source code, not to force users to download the source code even if they don't want it.
Re:But they're anarchists! They can't have meeting (Score:5, Insightful)
lo tirtzah in the Ten Commandments is a little bit broader than "don't murder," but it's a long distance away from "don't kill." Attempts to interpret it to mean "don't kill" are well-intentioned, but are not faithful to the actual meaning or historical interpretation of the text. If "don't kill" had been intended, lo ya'areg would have been used instead.
This is the standard Rabbinic interpretation of the phrase in the Ten Commandments - all of them refer to crimes for which one can receive the death penalty, so "don't steal" is limited to "don't kidnap [i.e. "don't steal people"]" - one cannot receive the death penalty for homicide which is not murder in Jewish law, so the that's another data point supporting the interpretation of the word as "murder."
Re:What's wrong with you people?! (Score:5, Insightful)
Second should Obama win both the Democratic nomination and the presidency, Hillary Clinton will never have a shot at the presidency. Her and her supporters feel she is entitled to that position. In their minds, she was supposed to be the first woman President of the U.S. In addition to the Clintons' feelings of entitlement and the gender politics involved, lets throw in racial politics (possible first black president), a failed presidency (Bush, Jr), a faltering economy, the expensive quagmire in Iraq, and fear of losing control by a generation entitled Baby Boomers. In point of fact, the whole thing is about the future of freedom - specifically who will set the tone and policies of the next generation of U.S. politics.
-IV
Re:No, not SourceForge (Score:3, Insightful)
Not according to our FSF-appointed attorney (who incidentally, teacher IP and Copyright law). The traditional use of it is for vendor-supplied products which ship with GPL components, but this most-definitely is not limited to physical media distribution.
We've actually used 3b before to leverage a company to provide source for the binary copies of their project they were "beaming" and allowing downloads for, for their users and partners. None of this had to do with "physical" media, because they never shipped their product on physical media.
Re:why would you want a partner from a failed bid? (Score:2, Insightful)
This coming from a guy who made $4million last year and lives in a $1.5 million dollar house. Like any good collectivist, Obama doesn't want war, he just wants your money and your soul.
Yeah, this success came after the twenty years he spent making $30,000 a year as a community organizer. Wow, what a hypocrite.
Jackass.
Re:Tech (Score:5, Insightful)
Obama is intelligent as well as charismatic (yes, I'm from Chicago and I have met him). When asked -- jokingly -- a question about sorting at some university function, he replied, "well, I wouldn't use the bubblesort" which is pretty damn good for a lawyer, especially a constitutional lawyer.
I also find it telling that his technical advisor is an MIT professor. (Contrast with McCain, who I have not met but IMO is basically a stand-up guy embedded in a free-spending, anti-freedom party. McCain has an ex entertainment industry exec as HIS technical advisor).
Re:It's murder, not killing, that is condemned (Score:4, Insightful)
It's not really a work of fiction, either (true or not). It is partly historically, partly mythological, and somewhat akin to a docudrama with a purpose, trying to answer the question "Why?".
One should expect contradiction within it, since it is a collection of a number of books written by different authors at different times for different purposes. That does not make it irrelevant or unhelpful.
Re:An Obama OSS project ?? (Score:5, Insightful)
Missing Option: Active, Representing Your Needs.
Re:McCain==Vista,Hillary==MacOSX,Obama==Linux (Score:5, Insightful)
You still think it was an accident we invaded Iraq?? I don't.
Re:Tech (Score:4, Insightful)
While the subject of the article is in no way sufficient to say that Obama is a good candidate or would be a good President, it is a necessary part of that. He is seeking competent assistance, and I didn't see "true belief" in the list of qualifications, as it was in building the Emerald City.
Software is not political. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:It's murder, not killing, that is condemned (Score:5, Insightful)
That was 2,000 years ago. What's he done for me lately?
Re:But they're anarchists! They can't have meeting (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:What's wrong with you people?! (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:What's wrong with you people?! (Score:5, Insightful)
Also, Obama is a reformist leader who has based his campaign on changing how American government works. He is literally the voice crying "STOP" for the two frustrated generations (Gen-X & Millenials) who follow the Boomers.
Clinton is a machine Democrat with 35 years invested in keeping Washington working the way it does now (aka lobbyist rule). So your "same side" argument lacks any basic understanding of current American presidential politics. As such, I have to devalue your criticisms of our system.
So you prefer your nastiness to go on behind closed doors? I guess tastes differ. I prefer openness even if it is messier. Sunlight and fresh air will kill lots of nasty things that live in the dark places.
What the hell are you talking about with my supposed "sit back until they die" approach? I said that we are in the initial stages of shoving the fractious Boomers out of power. We certainly aren't waiting for them to die. Heck, it may require copious amounts of holy water and wooden stakes through their hearts just to get them to back down.
As to the Boomer children being taught to act like their parents, the Millennials are a largely a civic and cooperative generation unlike the Boomers, who are individualistic and rhetorically idealistic. The Millenials do not show the narcissistic sense of "we're right, everyone else is wrong" ego that the Boomers enjoy. As a group the Millennials seem to be naturally cooperative and conscientious, if somewhat immature and naive. Like most civic generations, they were sheltered and cherished so it will take them a while to mature. But when they do, America will change as it has not since the last great civic generation: the G.I. (aka "The Greatest Generation").
In the interim it is the Gen-X folks that will be taking the reigns for a while. This is the truly galling part for the Boomers. They HATE the Gen-X generation (its a long story. read GENERATIONS). So the Boomers will renew their grip and force everyone to drive them out of power inch by bloody inch. Their entire generational ego is predicated on the notion that they know better than anyone else. They won't go easily. This fight is going to take years. The 2008 election is just the first battle in a long war.
Your logic on tying the War on Drugs to the campaign rhetoric is flawed. Certainly that is one of the many stupidities we have to address, it is NOT however one of the problems with the functioning of the primary campaign (your original point). It may be an issue not addressed by the campaigns, but it isn't an issue WITH the campaigns' operations. Nice try at a redirect, but a failed one.
Finally your statement that no one over here seems to be doing anything either is specious and insulting. Of course we are doing something about it. Why do you think so many people are actively working to elect their favored candidate? Its a fight. It is ugly and it will get uglier still. We who are actively engaged in that fight know this. We aren't disheartened that it is ugly. We know things will get better. That is what we are fighting for; not just to fix some of our problems but to fix the system so that it doesn't create these catastrophes in the first place. So bear with us while we try to sort this out.
Of course you wouldn't know what it is like to have to dig in and try to fix the basics of a broken govenment, since you rely on it all being nicely sorted out in a comfortable back room some where.
Re:It's murder, not killing, that is condemned (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:What's wrong with you people?! (Score:5, Insightful)
There is more going on in this election than a excoriation of GWB, the Reagan revolution and the Neocon philosophy. Specifically the fight between Clinton and Obama is a generational struggle for control. Yes there is more than that going on in the entire race, but it is a large component driving the contention between those two candidates supporters.
How do I really feel? Yeah, I resent the Boomers as a group. I'm one of the Gen-X generation that has been uniformly crapped on by the Boomers since we committed the ultimate sin of not worshiping them.
My rhetoric applies to both the Boomer fueled neocons (look at the neocon philosophical heavyweights - all Boomers) and the machine Democrats (they aren't cohesive enough to have their own group name), like the Clintons.
Re:But they're anarchists! They can't have meeting (Score:3, Insightful)
A Nazi einstatzgruppen "soldier", shooting helpless Jewish civilians with full state sanction, is still a murderer. A partisan, shooting at the soldier without the sanction of the state, is not.
Re:But they're anarchists! They can't have meeting (Score:2, Insightful)
From your relative POV I can understand your point. But my statement wasn't made from your point of view. However, since you brought it up, can I use that same argument to shoot a cop barging into my house on a bad bust with guns blazing? Or should I just accept my fate? Can I apply it to the Iraqi or Afghan who shoots and kills an American soldier who does the same thing? Whose life is more "valuable" there?
Nature, truly, and deeply, does not care.
So I've heard...
Re:Honestly.... (Score:3, Insightful)
As much as i like linux and open source, if i were president i wouldnt be thinking about it at all. there are more important things to work on than the presidency pushing products or philosophy.
Re:Oh God (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:why would you want a partner from a failed bid? (Score:3, Insightful)
Chicago is known for it's political machinations. You may call it "anything but a machine" but the slightest amount of research will expose that almost all politics in Chicago is driven by back room dealing.
But he's not trying to bring people together now. He's trying to get elected and says pretty much anything that he thinks will get him elected. Once in a while he slips up and says things like his categorizing people's beliefs and opinions as being caused by bitterness. Or that they eat too much and consume too many resources. You have to wonder how much he wants people to be involved when he holds such a low opinion of them and, considering his profligate lifestyle, thinks that they are less deserving of having a good life than he is.
I'll be the last person to say that he hasn't worked hard. But I'll be right in line to point out that what he works hard on is furthering his ambitions. If you don't believe that he attempts to leverage class, race and religion for his own gain, then you haven't been paying attention.
Most of the time he gives shallow, uninteresting speeches. They contain the usual rah-rah points and let's all be friends statements. But once in a while stuff just pops out that really makes you wonder. Where do comments about people being bitter come from, if he believes what he is saying about bringing people together? It's in such stark contrast to his normal message that, if he had any actual belief in his message, slips like that would never happen because the ideas just wouldn't be there. It's not a matter of poor word choice, it's the whole idea.
Re:An Obama OSS project ?? (Score:3, Insightful)
If you were to hand Carter the country in the shape the economy and fuel problems are in today, and if Carter was to act like he did in '76, it would be worse then the great depression. I don't know how old you were in the late 70's. I hope it was old enough to know what kind of problems we had because of him. It wasn't until recently that people have started claiming Bush is worse then Carter and I think most of that is because they have forgotten how bad Carter was. Hell everything Carter attempted to do as president had the opposite effect and made things worse. Some of it didn't get straightened around until George H. Bush was almost out of office (savings and loan problems).