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Domains Blocked By US Treasury 'Blacklist' 525

yuna49 writes "Adam Liptak of the New York Times reports today about the plight of a Spanish tour operator whose domain names have been embargoed by his domain name registrar (eNom). They pulled his domains after they discovered the tour operator's name on a US Treasury blacklist. It turns out he packages tours to Cuba largely for European tourists who can legally travel there, unlike Americans. The article cites 'a press release issued in December 2004, almost three years before eNom acted. It said Mr. Marshall's company had helped Americans evade restrictions on travel to Cuba and was "a generator of resources that the Cuban regime uses to oppress its people." It added that American companies must not only stop doing business with the company but also freeze its assets, meaning that eNom did exactly what it was legally required to do.' The only part of the operator's business in the United States is his domain name registration; all other aspects of his business lie outside the United States."
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  • by The Ultimate Fartkno ( 756456 ) on Tuesday March 04, 2008 @07:47PM (#22644056)
    ...uses to oppress its people?

    You mean things like providing a never ending stream of very real examples of how America wants to meddle in internal Cuban affairs, thereby providing an instant excuse to play the nationalist "they want to topple your government from Washington! Ignore the abuses you know about and rally together as a nation to resist them as a people!" card?
  • Pay Attention (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Naughty Bob ( 1004174 ) on Tuesday March 04, 2008 @07:48PM (#22644070)
    All those who happily denounce the (despicable) proposed actions of Iran in censoring the 'net during their elections take note- The world takes its lead from the US, and the US is not currently living up to this responsibility (though many of its citizens kick ass in many ways).

    Please Americans, I love lots of what you stand for, now kill off the right-wing cancer that eats at your nation's heart.
  • Re:And yet... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by KublaiKhan ( 522918 ) on Tuesday March 04, 2008 @07:50PM (#22644078) Homepage Journal
    Hey, I have no favoritism--I 'decry' censorship when we do it, too.

    I even write to my representative in congress when I notice that it's being done, so y'can't say I'm not doing anything about it.

    You're only as free as you want to take the effort to be.
  • by toby ( 759 ) * on Tuesday March 04, 2008 @08:04PM (#22644242) Homepage Journal
    1. Don't have anything to do with the USA.

    Non-Americans already have to do ridiculous things like obtain visas to just to make a flight connection in the US. Soon we're not even allowed to overfly the US. That's fun if, like me, you live in Canada.

    To hell with them.
  • Agreed (Score:3, Interesting)

    by WindBourne ( 631190 ) on Tuesday March 04, 2008 @08:27PM (#22644448) Journal
    Hopefully, today, Obama will win the Dem's vote. But to be honest, I do not think that McCain or even Clinton will be that bad. None of them are neo-cons. The odd thing is that all talk about our diminished reputation in the world while also speaking about our deficits. All 3 have experience beyond our shores. I think that all 3 will work to rebuild our relationships while solving some major issues (in particular, china).

    The interesting issue is all 3's money handling. I noted that after Super Tuesday, McCain and Clinton had run out of money and really had no plans in place. OTH, Obama had a great deal less money than either of these, and he was not only not out of money, but had a plan for afterwards. It says a lot about the man vs. the other 2.
  • Re:Bullshit (Score:5, Interesting)

    by RenderSeven ( 938535 ) on Tuesday March 04, 2008 @08:33PM (#22644500)

    Exactly. The only reason for the Castro brothers to outlive the fall of the iron curtain is the embargo.
    Maybe. An interesting thing I picked up traveling the Caribbean and talking to a lot of natives is how they want Cuba to stay on the embargo list. The last thing, say, Aruba wants is a huge island paradise thats almost within walking distance of Miami. Especially with airline fuel costing what it does. If Cuba were open again, tourism throughout the rest of the islands, and Mexico and Central America would take a huge hit. And that loss of income is politically destabilizing as well. There's more at work here than sheer stupidity.
  • by gujo-odori ( 473191 ) on Tuesday March 04, 2008 @08:35PM (#22644518)
    Why? Because the Castro government confiscated (read "stole") all property in Cuba that was owned by US private citizens and corporations and has not to this day compensated them for their losses. When the Cuban government wants to talk about compensation, we can also talk about normalization of relations. The situation with Cuba has more to do with that than it does with the disproportionate political power of Cuban-Americans in Florida.

    Cf. the number of Vietnamese living in the United States and their level of affluence and growing political influence (a community with which I am very familiar; my wife, as well as most of our friends and relatives, are Vietnamese), yet we have full diplomatic relations with Viet Nam. The difference? Viet Nam has not only returned confiscated property (the former US Embassy in Saigon is now the US Consulate General building there), but has been very helpful in locating the remains of US military personnel lost during the war and not recovered at the time. Cuba has done nothing to try to improve relations with the United States, and in fact has resorted to things such as dumping the Marielitos on us. The Cuban government has completely brought its situation vis-a-vis the United States on itself, period.

    When the Cubans want to come to the table and talk, starting with compensation issues, I'm sure they'll be welcomed, the Cuban-American lobby notwithstanding. When will they be ready to? Not until sometime after Fidel's grave - and probably his brother's as well - has grown quite cold. They have too much baggage for it to happen before that.
  • by dindi ( 78034 ) on Tuesday March 04, 2008 @08:43PM (#22644598)
    Enom are the people who took over registerfly's expired domains (expired because you had no means renewing them), and then tried to get a $200 extortion fee for your domain to give it back to you.

    So what do you expect from companies like that? I would personally open an international lawsuit against them, and there is absolutely no way Enom can win that.
  • by nuzak ( 959558 ) on Tuesday March 04, 2008 @09:07PM (#22644818) Journal
    > Do you think the US would snuggle up to China if they wouldn't have nukes?

    Absolutely. The amount of U.S. debt they hold is a gun pointed at our head that could wipe out our power as effectively as any nuke.

    Mind you, we'd take them and the rest of the world down in the process. When you owe the bank ten million dollars, you have a problem. When you owe the bank ten trillion dollars, the bank has a problem.
  • Tried That... (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 04, 2008 @09:10PM (#22644850)
    Too bad I was on the caging list [wikipedia.org] and had my vote thrown away. Gotta love Florida. Gotta love being black!
  • by skatedog ( 240333 ) on Tuesday March 04, 2008 @09:18PM (#22644922) Journal
    Yes, it's quite obvious we're the only ones doing what's right. That evidence is echoed worldwide, why look what good we're doing in the Middle East. American Foreign Policy has not been a pretty thing for at least the past 8yrs and really, much longer than that. Off topic maybe, on point definitely. If we had free trade with Cuba, they most likely would be the 51st State by now and a fine vacation spot. Embargos typically make the poorest and weakest of the nation being embargoed suffer. Those in power, find a way to remain in power. Now free trade and capitalism, and the free flow of ideas, now those things can be infective and spark great things, (see Fall of the USSR). I think it would be difficult at best to cite US foreign policy success where Cuba is concerned. Anyway, nice story from Washington Post 2/19/08 is here http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/19/AR2008021901649.html [washingtonpost.com]
  • Not Everyone, Just (Score:3, Interesting)

    by SRA8 ( 859587 ) on Tuesday March 04, 2008 @09:21PM (#22644962)
    I highly doubt we are speaking about mass internet outages. Likely, the blockages will affect vocal civil rights organizations (ACLU-types), hated minorities (Arabs, Muslims, etc.) and others disliked by the current ruling party. Doubt me? My management consulting career essentially ended as 1hr flights started taking upwards of 3hours just to print boarding passes. You cant fly from city to city if you are spend 3hours trying to print your boarding pass (in the worst case, it was 5hours + 12hours waiting for the next flight.) Laptops are confiscated [google.com] never to be returned. The careers of dozens of law abiding minorities suddenly ended in 2003 and 2004 as these policies were instated. But being a white, you wouldn't know anything has changed. I'm sure it will be the same thing with websites.
  • by Chris Pimlott ( 16212 ) on Tuesday March 04, 2008 @09:24PM (#22644994)
    I use gandi.net. They're fairly cheap ($15/yr), been around a good while (since 2000), not located in the US (France), and (most importantly), their agreement specifically notes that ownership of the domain is yours, not theirs. Their website is good and handles all the normal stuff you might need to do with a domain. I can't speak to their support, as I have not had instance to make us of it.
  • by rossz ( 67331 ) <ogre&geekbiker,net> on Tuesday March 04, 2008 @09:28PM (#22645024) Journal
    The fact that you dismiss someone as a "bot" for stating what should be the mainstream view explains how the politicians are able to violate are most sacred laws with impunity. You have been convinced by your political masters that a strong belief in our Constitution is only for the "fringe".

    I used to think there was hope for this country. I now realize this country was lost a long time ago. Thanks for giving it the interest groups, asshole.

    FYI, I can't stand Ron Paul.
  • by doshell ( 757915 ) on Tuesday March 04, 2008 @09:54PM (#22645210)

    Yet another reason why .com/.net/.org (and the stupid newer ones) should be abolished and all domains should end in their country codes. There is no such thing as not being under the control of SOME countries laws.

    I agree that, for the sake of clarity, the .com/.org/etc TLDs should be reserved to "international" organizations (whatever that can possibly mean in legal terms), and all American domains should have been placed into .us. But that's not going to happen simply because no one would go through the hassle of converting all the existing American domains over to .us and forcing everyone to update their bookmarks and finger memory.

    (And now witness a horde of American slashdotters coming along proclaiming the supremacy of the US over the Internet ("because we invented it!"), and in particular their inalienable right to shorter domain names ;)

  • by jd ( 1658 ) <imipak@yahoGINSBERGo.com minus poet> on Tuesday March 04, 2008 @09:54PM (#22645216) Homepage Journal
    I'm not sure it is fine for a nation. I believe firmly that for accountability to work, all must be accountable. That includes Presidents, Governments, etc. Now, I also believe firmly that accountability can only work when those with the authority are educated enough to apply that authority sensibly. This makes it difficult, but it's workable.

    My suggestion would be to have a third house, selected at random from the entire pool of individuals in the United States with demonstrably high IQs and/or EQs and/or education. They don't have to be registered to vote, born in any particular country, they just have to be US citizens at the time and eligible for jury duty. This jury, however, is rather unusual. Aside from being randomly selected from a tiny subset of the jury pool, and not being in a criminal or civil case, that is. It would be supervised and moderated by a senior judge, since the house activity is cast in the form of a trial.

    This jury would have the power to try and "convict" (ie: veto) any one single bill that is submitted at the time the jury is in session. Just the one. The bill must be submitted for trial by national referendum. After they reach a verdict of guilty beyond reasonable doubt or innocent (by a majority no less than 9 of the 12), the jury is disbanded.

    They would also have the power to try any one individual in Government on a charge of "no confidence", including the President, but again that trial would be their sole action. They couldn't do anything else if they did that. Again, who they tried, if anyone, would be decided by national referendum, not by the jury, but because it's a much more significant action, I'd argue that it would require a 2/3rds majority of votes cast to put a member of the executive on trial in this way. The verdict must again be beyond all reasonable doubt, but also must be unanimous. A verdict of guilty authorizes a national vote on whether to recall that individual. Again, because impeachment is supposed to be extremely hard and this circumvents most of the existing system, I'd argue this would need a very substantial majority. 3/4 of all votes cast or 2/3 of all voters (whether they voted or not) would seem reasonable.

    Since this would be essentially a para-justice system, appeals would be through the Federal court system, but those appeals would be heard under the legal code established for this system, rather than for civil or criminal law. The interesting problem would be a Supreme Court appeal on the recall of a Supreme Court judge. Would you need the judge to recuse themselves, or since the full court would presumably be needed, would they by definition be amongst those hearing the case?

    This would put the powers of veto and impeachment in the hands of the citizenry, but in a way that is very tightly controlled. The idea is to slow angry and resentful people to the point where they can see if their anger or resentment is even real, have that checked over impartially, and if it's valid, then give the reasoning and feeling that is expressed by the general populace as anger and resentment power to hold the Government responsible. Not during election season, when politicians play nice and bribe their voters, but at any time.

    The idea is to also prevent such power from ever being controlled by outside sources (hence the jury pool mechanism) amd to prevent mood-of-the-week attitudes from having that power directly.

    Of course, there are a million and one reasons why this won't work, but if the circle is to be truly complete and democracy is to be functional, then the current election system is inadequate for a feedback loop and has become far too severely corrupted. There needs to be an uncorruptable feedback loop, even if the requirement to keep it uncorruptable makes it slow, careful, limited and itself subject to higher authorities.

    I propose this, not on the chance anyone'll give a damn, but because I think the current system lacks any kind of idiot-proof feedback system and that won't happen if nobody considers the possibility that there might actually be an idiot-proof system.

  • by D'Sphitz ( 699604 ) on Tuesday March 04, 2008 @10:20PM (#22645398) Journal
    I don't think Castro is in power anymore...
  • by petermgreen ( 876956 ) <plugwash@nOSpam.p10link.net> on Tuesday March 04, 2008 @10:44PM (#22645534) Homepage
    can't the american courts just go the the registry directly and cut out the registrar.

    It seems to me if you want a .com/.net/.org domain the US government has the power to take it away.
  • by davidsyes ( 765062 ) * on Tuesday March 04, 2008 @11:41PM (#22645878) Homepage Journal
    Well, I'm going to chime in on Corea/Korea, since it's been brought up...

    The US is just in a near-conniption fit that the North has not collapsed, imploded, or exploded. It's a major embarrassment that multiple US administrations just ineptly cannot figure out how to have state-to-state talks with the North and get out of the way of confederation leading to reunification. Don't like MY perception? Read...on

    Check out "Korean Endgame" by Selig S. Harrison...

    The first two chapters show how ignorant the US can be when it comes to taking sides and coercing what it thinks are its client states (and is instead manipulated by the South, as was Russia by the North), yet (the US) ends up delaying reunification because if later finds it NEEDS and DESIRES a 'clear and present danger' of sorts in order to justify $42B a year in deployed US military assets around Asia, and $2B a year going directly to the South.

    The South recently offered citizenship to people of the North. The YOUTH of the South probably care less about politics, but wealthy in the loop with military and economic assets at risk don't want to be besieged nor bothered by a massive influx of poor Northerners. In general, though, many if not most Koreans (North and South are torn by the division instigated by by Kim Song Il, after duping Stalin and getting assent from China.

    The US *claims* it wants to aid Korea Unify, but so far it mostly has obstructed or ineptly carried out talks, bullied the North, and placated the South, enable the South to experience as little pain as possible in the march toward confederation. The North expected (rightfully) confederation and a formal declaration of cessation of hostilities, but the US botched things imposing its OWN view on BOTH Koreas. However, Seoul, for its part, never signed the armistice...

    Now, what is going on is the Russians no longer sell much of anything military to the North, but is instead selling to the South and to others. The upshot is that the NK "regime"/government/Workers' Party isn't likely to go out with a bang. It'll just muddle along, and reunification (50% thanks to the US) will happen DECADES later than it could have or should have.

    For what it's worth, i feel sorry for BOTH halves of Korea and i hope history takes in hand all those who did their bit to undermine and humiliate a great people, and wrought them great humiliation.

    i hope the Coreas reunify SOON (less than 10 years). I hope they shift to indigenous local partners of the regional defense, and I hope they PROVE to Japan that a unified Corea purged of US occupation is NOT a threat to the Japanese peoples. i don't think there will be any wars unless puppeteers from afar instigate things.
  • Re:And yet... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Midnight Thunder ( 17205 ) on Wednesday March 05, 2008 @12:10AM (#22646032) Homepage Journal
    This has nothing to do with censorship. If he had registered his domain in Europe, there'd be no problem. Nobody would be trying to prevent people in America from viewing his site. Personally, I think it was stupid to embargo the domain, but let's not use the straw man of censorship to show our disapproval.

    This is why TLDs that don't contain country names should not be in the hands of any one government, but that is just wishful thinking. Maybe we will see .edu.us and .gov.us, but I reckon pigs will fly before then.
  • by cfulmer ( 3166 ) on Wednesday March 05, 2008 @12:20AM (#22646098) Journal
    Why should the US adopt exactly the same policy toward every communist country? Cuba and China do not have a common history, do not share a common culture, have vastly different populations and, despite a few similarities, have vastly different governments. 10% of the population of China does not live in America; 10% of Cuba's does. China is half-way around the world; Cuba is under 100 miles away. China did not send 125,000 Chinese to the US in 1980. China has Of course US Cuba policy differs from its China policy.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 05, 2008 @12:26AM (#22646128)
    I am "American". You are essentially correct. Pretty soon (if not already), we will no longer be able to re-enter our own country without a passport. If and when Real ID takes effect, no one will be able to fly or enter federal buildings without carrying "federally approved identification" (Real ID). I read recently that domestic authorities will soon have the power to use American spy satellites on our own citizens during the course of an investigation.

    Freedom, heh.

    You seem smug in yours. We made that mistake.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 05, 2008 @12:28AM (#22646134)
    Sorry the only reason there is an embargo is because Castro nationalized a number of American assets and took away an American gambling paradise. Welcome to America, land of those who think they know better than everyone else. Time for a reality check.
  • by Attila Dimedici ( 1036002 ) on Wednesday March 05, 2008 @09:28AM (#22648338)
    There are two major differences between Cuba and China. The first is that there is a large ex patriot community of Cubans living in the US who have become US citizens and are strongly opposed to the current regime in Cuba. This group of people mostly live in Florida and vote against anyone who is not sufficiently anti-Castro. There is no similar group of Chinese in the US.
    Second, (and the reason the embargo was created in the first place) when Castro took over in Cuba, he appropriated a large amount of property formerly owned by Americans without giving them any compensation. This is the reason the embargo was created in the first place. The first is the reason the embargo has continued. There was no similar US investment in China before the Communists took power.
    As to whether or not Cuba would allow American corporations back in, no one knows. It has been illegal for American companies to do business with Cuba since Castro took over with no evidence that that law will change.
  • by bryce4president ( 1247134 ) on Wednesday March 05, 2008 @09:35AM (#22648416)
    You are exactly correct about this. But there are actually 2 reasons why we treat China and Cuba differently. One: China is just too damn big for us to pick on. If we would cut them off they wouldn't care. It wouldn't hurt them enough. They have far too much dirt on us. Two: Our corporations and economy has a very vested interest in China. This comes in two forms. The first is cheap labor and cheap materials. The second is China's foreign investment. If we pick on China, and they stop investing in our government bonds, then how are we going to borrow all the money to keep our war machine going. How are we going to borrow all the money we need to cover our deficit? If you follow the money from our benefit, you'll follow our public policy. If it means $ it means business, America's Business.
  • by guruevi ( 827432 ) on Wednesday March 05, 2008 @10:02AM (#22648666)
    Both China and Cuba are communist countries ruled by an oppressive government, they both had or have the firepower and capabilities (direct as in Cuba or with subs, boats or airplanes as China) at some point to reach the US with nuclear weapons.

    Cuba was just a bit more outspoken during the Cold War and the US wet it's panties when their constituents could virtually see the nuclear warheads pointing at them using binoculars. The only reason the embargo is there was to punish the Cubans for their Soviet involvement. There is no reason currently there should be any embargo since opening the people up to the westerner world would lead them to think more freely and force their government to give more freedom, just like is happening now in China. By blocking all access from the US to Cuba, Cuba has to be supplied from elsewhere and they're doing a pretty good job at that. At the same time, their government can say: it's the American's fault that you're poor and they keep them poor that way. Forcing freedom by embargo hasn't worked for the last 40 years, it won't work for the next 40.

    And yes, China did send Chinese over to the US. About a million young Chinese people are currently in the US studying at Universities, I work with one of those guys (Postdoc, has his PhD), they basically get selected and supported by the government to study certain subjects abroad. As soon as they get their PhD's they will go back so they can support their community in whatever they learned.
  • by M-RES ( 653754 ) on Wednesday March 05, 2008 @10:40AM (#22649146)
    ...and the interesting thing about Guantanamo is that the 'agreement' between the Cuban and US governments over the US occupation of part of sovereign Cuban territory states that the US only have to leave when 'both parties want it'. So what's the chance of that ever happening? I mean, the US was paranoid beyond belief at the thought of soviet nukes based on Cuba (despite the fact that the US is now encircling Russia in the former soviet Eastern European states with anti missile systems potentially leading to a new arms race and cold war - no, there's no hypocrisy here!). But imagine how paranoid the US would have been if the boot was on the other foot and Cuba occupied part of the US mainland indefinitely? Let's also not forget that the US companies who lost assets in Cuba didn't strictly have any rights to those assets. They were part of agreements between the former US-supported dictatorship and those companies affected and I think Castro did the right thing. He threw out all previous corrupt agreements, took back what rightfully belonged to the Cuban people FOR the Cuban people and started with a clean slate. Perhaps it should be a lesson to companies that it doesn't always pay to invest in corrupt and dictatorial regimes. Also note that most people who support the embargo against Cuba are the same ones who cite Cuba's harsh financial situation as being a reason to oppose Castro. They don't seem to see any kind of link between a 4 decade trade and financial blockade of a tiny nation and it's inability to develop much fiscally. I mean, it's not rocket science is it? Anyone who truly has the interests of the Cuban people at heart (and aren't just 'commie-haters' for the sake of it... most of those guys haven't a clue what the ideals of Communism are anyway and constantly confuse them with fascism, not helped by fascists of Stalin or Pol Pot's ilk) would surely welcome a change of policy as the current one obviously doesn't work. Why not try lifting the embargo - see how that affects the financial situation in Cuba, then see how that affects the aspirations and future direction the population decides to take... whatever they decide, that's democracy in action.

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