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Do Not Call Registry Set to Become Permanent 183

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from the finally-our-government-at-work dept.
coondoggie passed us a NetworkWorld article about an initiative by the Senate to transform the Do Not Call list into a permanent institution. Originally individuals on the list were to have their place on the list revoked; up to a third of the people who signed up might have fallen off the list by the Autumn without renewing legislation. A move by the Senate this past Wednesday will permanently prevent salesmen from calling those who have registered for the list. "Aside from what telemarketing junk the bill does prevent, experts note what may also be a big deal is a provision that is NOT in this bill and that is protection for those other annoying time wasters: political robo calls."
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Do Not Call Registry Set to Become Permanent

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  • Finally.... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Iphtashu Fitz (263795) on Thursday February 07, 2008 @05:43PM (#22340724)
    My congresscritters are finally doing something I approve of!
    • Re:Finally.... (Score:4, Insightful)

      by gnick (1211984) on Thursday February 07, 2008 @06:00PM (#22341014) Homepage
      Yes - But good luck persuading your "congresscritters" to add "political robo calls" to the list.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by mrxak (727974)
        I assume other non-profit organizations will also be let through too.
        • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

          After I put my number on the do-not-call list, I actually got more calls. Some of the callers even go out of their way to tell me that since they are politicians, charitable organizations or what have you, they are exempt. Some even before I say I don't want to be called. I'm guessing this means they are using the list as a calling list, assuming us who aren't wasting our money on telemarketing scams must have some left over for their good cause. I hang up just the same.
          • Re:Finally.... (Score:5, Informative)

            by reddburn (1109121) <redburn1@gmaBLUEil.com minus berry> on Thursday February 07, 2008 @07:17PM (#22342122)

            I worked at one of these places for a week (I had to leave before I killed myself), and actually, they get your name from public records and donor lists. If you've donated to a political campaign online, signed a petition, joined an e-mail list, even visited a political website with the right cookies (the first sophisticated tracking cookies were - according to R.N. Howard in New Media Campaigns - used by the RNC website in the 90s) in the past 9 years, your contact info is automatically added to that party's, candidate's, organization's (the RCCC, DCCC, moveon.org) list of people to harass on the phone.

            If you tell them no, if you tell them anything *other* than to specifically "Remove me from your list," ("don't call again" doesn't work) they can legally call back in 90 days (6 mos. if you donate, and then they ask for 2x what you gave before as the start). Worse: you have to be the individual they're calling. If it's a spouse, the autodialer will call back the next day. The organization you donate to is paying these companies by the call, and the company also gets a percentage (right off the top) of your donation. Someone donates $50, the organization ends up with about $35 after all is said and done.

            • What is their policy if you are extraordinarily rude? I've heard collectors and telemarketers will remove you by default, not sure about campaigners/pollsters.
          • by rizzo420 (136707)
            yeah, i had that problem. i would get calls at like 8:30 at night or on sundays (times when i thought they weren't allowed to call) and the bitch on the phone smuggly said that she was allowed to call even after i mentioned i was on the do not call list. i told her to fuck off. the calls i hate the most are from joey zamboni from the fraternal order of police (i live in a very italian area) telling me about how they can't afford things like allowing their kids to play little league. i have just taken to
      • Re:Finally.... (Score:5, Informative)

        by dgatwood (11270) on Thursday February 07, 2008 @07:02PM (#22341948) Journal

        Yes - But good luck persuading your "congresscritters" to add "political robo calls" to the list.

        You misread the summary. The previous version of the legislation authorizing the DNC registry provided an exemption for non-profits, political calls, and surveys. The new one does not, so in effect, by not providing that exemption in this version, they did add those calls to the list of banned solicitation.

        My feet are suddenly very cold. I think hell just became endothermic and is well on its way to a state transition.

        • Don't worry. I am sure it was just an oversight. Your feet should be warming up in no time.
        • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

          by psychicsword (1036852) *
          I am going to guess that someone got a hold of every senator and congressman's phone number and created a survey to call them during dinner and to simply ask "Do calls during dinner annoy you?"...

          Family Feud host:"and the survey says [ding ding ding] 100% said yes!"
        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by tm2b (42473)
          Don't hold your breath. The First Amendment issues are much stickier around non-commercial speech, especially political speech.

          No, I don't happen to believe that they apply to people using my own equipment and my own paid service to harass me either, but those arguments can and will be made.
          • by jvkjvk (102057)
            As far as I understand, an individual must make a positive effort to block these calls by signing up for the "Do Not Call" list.

            I did not realize that the First Amendment required me to listen to speech that I did not want to hear, even political speech. Hm. Maybe I should go read it again. The government in this case is acting at the behest of the individual that the caller wishes to reach. As was probably said before - "you may have the right to speak, but you do not have the right to make me listen..
        • I still wont be happy until Opt-Out becomes the default, just like it should be with any other form of SPAM. Communications like this should all be Opt-In only, and only then if specifically subscribed per list type. All these contracts that say "we do business with you now, so our subsidiaries and 'partners' all get to SPAM you now, unless you go over there and print this form and sign and snail-mail it" are the default now, and they all stink.
      • Corporate speech can be regulated to some degree under the Firtst Amendment. Political speech has a higher level of scrutiny, so banning robo-calls might not pass SCOTUS muster.

        Then again, this Court seems to like to ban political speech [wikipedia.org], despite the fact that the first amendment that was added to the Constitution was put their chiefly to protect political speech!

        Remember people, the First Amendment is their to protect all speech, not just speech you agree with.
        • by jvkjvk (102057)
          I left this on another comment, but it certainly applies to your comment as well:

          As far as I understand, an individual must make a positive effort to block these calls by signing up for the "Do Not Call" list.

          I did not realize that the First Amendment required me to listen to speech that I did not want to hear, even political speech. Hm. Maybe I should go read it again. The government in this case is acting at the behest of the individual that the caller wishes to reach. As was probably said before - "you m
  • by XxtraLarGe (551297) on Thursday February 07, 2008 @05:44PM (#22340740) Journal
    I can just hang up on a phone call. I find junk mail to be far more annoying & damaging to the environment.
    • by milsoRgen (1016505) on Thursday February 07, 2008 @05:49PM (#22340828) Homepage

      I can just hang up on a phone call.

      Or not answer it all... I realized long ago just because some contraption starts making noise, nothing is forcing me to address it. Same with the front door and annoying friends, just because they can make some noise by hitting their meat clubs against some wood, doesn't mean I'm forced to get out of my E-Z chair...
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by Safety Cap (253500)

        Or not answer it all...

        Exactly. We have trained all of our family, friends, etc., to start talking when the answering machine engages.

        We do not answer the phone at all before this unless we're expecting a call at a specific time. We may pick up the phone if we want to talk at that time; otherwise we'll call 'em back.

        When we lived in a newly-built house, we were always getting the little entrepreneurs (selling gas logs, house numbers painted on the curb, front yard gas lamps, etc.) banging on the doo

        • by cp.tar (871488)

          For the first time in my life I actually understand what answering machines are really for.

          In my country, practically no-one uses them, and if anybody has one, most people just hang up when it answers the call anyway.

          On the other hand, spam calls aren't nearly as prevalent here...

      • by mangu (126918) on Thursday February 07, 2008 @06:12PM (#22341202)

        Or not answer it all...

        I answer the phone and tell them "yes, just hold on a second". Then I leave the phone on the table, wondering how long will it take them to hang up this time.
        • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

          by milsoRgen (1016505)
          Thats a good idea, sometimes when I'm feeling froggy I'll answer 'em and say the most disturbing things that can come to mind... Some hang up, but every once in a while someone will just try and play it off and continue the discourse... F'ing hilarious.
        • Actually, I've noticed most have some sort of voice-activated thing that kicks in the second time you say "hello" (or, possibly make some other noise).

          Therefore, when I answer the phone, I say "hello" once, and only once, and wait. If I don't hear a response in a few seconds, I simply hang up because most normal people calling will eventually say "hello?" again if they don't hear anything back. If it's a friend/family member with a bad connection, they'll eventually get that point across.

          • by dgatwood (11270)

            It actually listens for speech followed by silence. It's part of the anti-answering-machine detection. If it hears continuous talking, it assumes it got an answering machine and either leaves a prerecorded message or hangs up. If it hears "hello" followed by a pause, it transfers you to a person. That two second delay is just part of that detection time.

            If you want to break it, say, "Hi, this is [insert your name] speaking. How may I direct your call." That should be sufficient to make it think it i

        • by Gordonjcp (186804)
          I use asterisk [asterisk.org] for this.

          "Hello? Yes? Yes, I *am* interested in double glazing, yes, I was just thinking about getting some... What? No, what, hang on, let me get you on the other phone, it's really noisy here..."

          [click] "right... [park] 700 [hash]......"

          ... and then go and make a cup of tea, while they wait on hold, listening to Joy Division - "Love Will Tear Us Apart" on a loop.

          My record is 7 minutes.
          • by Ichijo (607641)

            I'd like to use Asterisk to connect the caller to a voice-equipped Turing test [wikipedia.org] applicant, whose goal would be to keep the telemarketer on the line as long as possible (without agreeing to anything, of course). In fact, I'd setup an online service where people show off their best junk-caller-time-wasting programs and compete with each other. Maybe even make it into a T.V. or radio show, sort of a cross between Robot Wars [wikipedia.org] and Monty Python's Blackmail [mzonline.com] sketch.

        • I answer the phone and tell them "yes, just hold on a second". Then I leave the phone on the table, wondering how long will it take them to hang up this time.

          I used to do that all the time as well. But now, with the political season well underway, I think it best to break into song as soon as they ask to speak to the "registered Republican/Democrat of the house". My own suggestion would be to start singing "Springtime for Hitler" from the Producers (shown here) [google.com]. I wonder if enough slashdotters will do

        • Having become thoroughly bored with cold callers (despite being registered with TPS I have now started getting VOIP calls from overseas call centres) I recently decided to go one better than this excellent old trick in that I've now set up a system where I can say "Please hold" and then leave them listening to some Throbbing Gristle [throbbing-gristle.com] (Usually something off DOA)

          Next up I think I'll do my own mix and get a loop of children screaming over some offensively light classical.

          Most entertaining.
        • Here at work we put them on "hold" in the same way, except we leave the phone mic right next to headphones blaring out the most atrocious music we can find. Usually Barbara Streisand or Lionel Ritchie.

          "Hello? Is it me you're looking for..."
        • If you really wanted to tweak their nose then you might set up an Asterisk [wikipedia.org] server which implements a private branch exchange system for routing and handling incoming calls. I have not worked with Asterisk before specifically (although I have worked on Microsoft Speach Server projects in the past) but it would be interesting to write a program which would attempt to string the call along for as long as possible without actually confirming anything definitively (i.e. resulting in no sale). The program could l
      • by Sabz5150 (1230938) on Thursday February 07, 2008 @06:23PM (#22341346)

        I realized long ago just because some contraption starts making noise, nothing is forcing me to address it.
        Get married. Watch that change.
        • Get married. Watch that change.

          Wait... You're on slashdot and you have one of those females?

          Whoa... what's that like?

      • by fm6 (162816)
        Wouldn't it be more effective and efficient to just get a lobotomy and be done with it?
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Bryansix (761547)
      I agree. You have to actually pay to get off of some mailing lists now. The law should allow a single repository where you can request to not get any junk mail except from companies you already are doing business with and even then only when you opt-in. And no, affiliates of businesses you do business with DON'T count.
    • by markdavis (642305)
      I find unsolicited phone calls *FAR* more annoying that any other type of junk communication. It forces me to take action- to look, or to shut the phone up from reminding me of a missed call or junk voicemail. Junk Email doesn't do that. Junk Snailmail doesn't do that.

      I think all such calls should be illegal as an invasion of privacy. Robot or human. And enforcement should be swift and severe.... set up a system where you can dial a special number and it automatically reports the last call you got as
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by vux984 (928602)
        It forces me to take action- to look, or to shut the phone up from reminding me of a missed call or junk voicemail.

        No. That's your crappy ass phone.

        It *should* feature call management features to allow you to do stuff like:

        I only want the missed call notifier to beep if:
        a) its my wife or immediate family
        b) the emergency number from the alarm company
        c) its someone in my address book between 9 and 5
        d) unless its -that guy- in which case don't ever beep. Hell don't even ring.
        oth
        • Its always: "What can the phone do to make you consume more services?" Instead of "What does the consumer actually want?"

          YES. You are so so so right about that. I am on the same soapbox. There are a ton of call-screening and other actual phone features that ought to be universal, but they don't create revenue streams, so they don't get made.

          One thing I'd like is a compromise between turning my phone off at night and leaving it on. I want a mode where a caller gets a message saying, "I'm asleep or busy.

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by BigJClark (1226554)

      I went one further.

      I received a call from a politician running for mayor or some jazz, an automated type. I patiently listened to this spiel, did a google lookup for his business number, called him and left HIM a message stating:

      "Dear Sir, I have called to inform you that I am not voting for you, not because of your stand on certain positions, but because you have resorted to an automatic phone dialer. I will also recommend my friends, acquaintances, and co-workers do the same. Good day."

      Specia
      • Sometimes those calls are Joe Jobs launched by the opposition, so be careful.
    • Put up a sign on your door - "no flyers or pennysavers".
    • by rubycodez (864176)
      and have crap recorded in my voicemail? no thanks. we need call management, ability to block numbers and caller id with wildcards. I'm paying for service, not a conduit for any asshole on the planet to bother me.
    • Funny, this article just reminded me to sign up for the do not mail list. You can find it here.
      https://www.dmachoice.org/MPS/mps_consumer_description.php [dmachoice.org]
    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by vtscott (1089271)
      The junkmail thing is definitely a pet peeve of mine, and it bothers me more than the telemarketing as well. At the last place I lived, we got junkmail from comcast about their internet service and comcast didn't even service our apartment complex. WTF? Where I live now I can't even remember the last day I went to the mailbox and there wasn't junk there. We recycle what we can, but I can't imagine how many trees die to bring us pizza coupons. And those trees would come in handy to offset the carbon emi
      • What I want to know is how to stop the DIRECT junk mail. Not the stuff that's addressed and automated. But every town I've lived in has gotten coupons/ads direct to your mailbox from Kroger and some other local places. There is no address. And they stuff it in EVERYONE's mailbox.

        I even had an issue with the PO 'canceling' my mail in my apartment because I didn't check it for a few weeks (because I knew I wasn't getting anything) and it got stuffed with those mailers so they assumed I moved out.
    • by Plutonite (999141)
      Mail is much more fun in poetic-justice terms. You can reply to the credit card offers by putting the pizza ads in their envelope, and vice versa, then send them back. It's all prepaid! I love America.
    • I can just hang up on a phone call. I find junk mail to be far more annoying & damaging to the environment.
      --
      Ron Paul for President [ronpaul2008.com]!
      Funny. I was just about to say the same thing about political sigs on public fora....
    • by bmwm3nut (556681)
      I can just hang up on a phone call. I find junk mail to be far more annoying & damaging to the environment.

      I'm not joking, but I can heat my house 3-4 days of the week on junk mail. I just moved to a house in the Colorado mountains and I have a now wood stove. I get so much junk mail (probably a lot is due to me just moving in and it's lot of "welcome to the neighborhood..." stuff. But in any given week, I get enough mail in 2 days to heat my house for an entire day. It sure has reduced my heati
  • Does it matter? (Score:3, Informative)

    by overshoot (39700) on Thursday February 07, 2008 @05:45PM (#22340760)
    The telemarketers have had the time now to engineer systems around the loopholes built into the law, so that we're pretty much back where we were before.

    Don't think so? How many prosecutions have there been under the law in the last year?

    • by Veinor (871770)

      The telemarketers have had the time now to engineer systems around the loopholes built into the law, so that we're pretty much back where we were before.



      Don't think so? How many prosecutions have there been under the law in the last year?

      And how many telemarketing calls have been made, compared with before the law was passed? You can't prosecute something that doesn't happen.
  • Ehh (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Eric(b0mb)Dennis (629047) on Thursday February 07, 2008 @05:46PM (#22340778)
    How about no robo-calls PERIOD?

    Do you know they leave messags on your answering machine now?

    I was sitting here, minding my own business.. phone rings, 1-800 number..no way i'm picking that up.

    So my machine gets it, to my horrow i suddenly hear a text-book RADIO AD blaring through my answeing machine!

    HI THIS IS GOTTSCHALKS BLQAGH BLAH BLAH in my own #($&*%& house, an ad! NO TV, NO RADIO!

    I immediately threw my empty beer bottle at the blast machine, I'm getting answering service through the phone company now!
    • by dkleinsc (563838)
      If you're on the Do-Not-Call list, and this was a commercial, then it's illegal, and Gottschalks whatever can be prosecuted.

      On the other hand, if that's some guy running for mayor, that's arguably protected under the First Amendment. That's probably why political calls got left out of the bill.
      • by CastrTroy (595695)
        Yeah, but what can you really do about it. They probably forged the Caller-ID anyway. There's no way of knowing who actually called. Good luck calling your phone company and getting them to trace it. They have better things to do with their time.
        • Yeah exactly.

          I mean, the amount of time it would take me to do anything about it (and I am on the Do Not call list) is worth more to me than the simple satisfaction of sticking it to one company.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by longacre (1090157) *
      How about no robo-calls PERIOD?

      Why do you hate freedom?
      • by garcia (6573)
        Why do you hate freedom?

        I hate being called by the Salvation Army at 12:30 PM on a vacation day to listen to back-to-back identical messages (I suppose one is in case your answering machine picked up) about a new drop-off center in Burnsville, MN. I gave money every year but that stops as of Tuesday afternoon because they are using it to flood me with phone spam. Fuck em.

        Then, I hang up from that, mildly annoyed and the phone rings again. Figuring I can't be getting back-to-back douchebag calls, I pick i
    • by tknd (979052)

      I wish there was something like spam filters or adblock for telephones and snail mail but unfortunately that doesn't seem to be the case or will be for quite a while.

      So I think the only way is to take things into your own hands and come up with a clever or "home" solution. For example many support desks put you through an automated system or if you call a company an employee might have an extension. Well why not make your own little home automated telephone system that would require say a special key co

    • If my bank detects what it thinks is fraudulent activity on my account, I get a robo-call *immediately*, where I can quickly indicate whether the transaction was legit, or wait to be connected to a real person who can resolve the situation.

      This seems like a pretty appropriate use of robo-calls.

      On the other hand, I'd *LOVE* to ban hold queues in excess of 10 minutes for customer/technical support lines in favor of callbacks, or to set penalties for companies with absolutely abysmal customer service.
  • I'm suprised they had the opportunity to FIT this in between steroids in baseball and cheating in the NFL. Wow. I'm still going to try to vote every one of them out, but when I do it, I imagine I might do it with a little less malice.
  • Is that telemarketers outside its jurisdiction have no obligation to honour it, but they can access it and use it to seed their auto dialers.

    Why not simply require telcos to ask their customers whether or not they want to be on an opt in list when setting up a new account?
  • For the past half year, I've been getting calls "For any credit card holder with outstanding balances, press 9 for more information." So once I pressed 9 to tell the person they were breaking the law by calling me. The lady on the other end denied that their activities were illegal because I agreed to the call by pressing 9. Seems like circular logic to me, but they keep calling.
    • by DanQuixote (945427) on Thursday February 07, 2008 @06:31PM (#22341498)

      Here is an effective (though laborious) way to deal with that.

      1. Register on National Do-Not-Call list.
      2. Wait 3 month beginning period.
      3. Get caller ID.
      4. Wait for another call.
      5. Be pleasant to the person, if you can order something cheap, say $10, do it.
      6. Get their address and phone number as you place the order.
      7. Photograph the Caller ID display as evidence.
      8. Take good notes including date, time, person talked to, company name, as more evidence.
      9. Copy the bill you receive for $10 as conclusive evidence of marketing intent.
      10. Go to your county courthouse, lodge a small claim for $500 for a telemarketing violation.
      11. Send them proper notice they are being sued.
      12. Since they are often out of state, they won't show and you get default judgment.
      13. If they do show, you have proof of listing, notice, call, and call purpose.
      14. For bonus dollars, ($500 per item) look into whether they have, train to, practice and publish upon demand the required company calling policies.
      15. Profit!!!

      I've tried it, it works.

      • by SEAL (88488)
        Or you can call your phone company and report that number as a nuisance caller. They will block it for you in most cases.

        Verizon was surprisingly helpful when I had this problem awhile back. In my case, some company's fax machine was calling my voice number multiple times per day... talk about annoying.
      • by KKlaus (1012919)
        Actually ordering something is important for another reason. Whereas you can hide from me, you can't hide from American Express. If they won't give you their address over the phone (or not a real one - they're aware they're breaking the law), buying something from them with a CC is a surefire way to find out where their money is kept, which ensures that you can get money from them after a successful suit.
  • by Iphtashu Fitz (263795) on Thursday February 07, 2008 @06:02PM (#22341052)
    Caller ID along with an answering machine is a great combination. My home phone/answering machin also lets me set up custom ring tones for numbers in its address list. If a family member of friend calls I hear one type of ring so I always answer it. If the Caller ID says something like "blocked" or "unknown" or shows a phone number like 000-000-0000 then I just let my answering machine pick it up. It sure saves me a lot of hassle.
  • Now what we need is Do Not Mail Registry (anybody knows a good reason why this doesn't exist already?) and Do Not Email Registry (a bit harder to enforce :)
  • by MSTCrow5429 (642744) on Thursday February 07, 2008 @06:13PM (#22341220)
    What happens to the status of the number when someone discontinues usage of the telephone number, say by moving or canceling your service and moving to VoIP? IF the number is then at some point reassigned to another person, does that number remain on the Do-Not-Call list? If it does, is that legitimate, as an individual can only vouch for their own phone numbers, and not that of a third-party?
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by WK2 (1072560)
      When the number is de-activated or moved by the phone company, your name and number and come off the list. I guess the phone company notifies the FTC, or something like that.

      See http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/alerts/alt107.shtm [ftc.gov] for more info. Note that the fucktards at the FTC refer to people as "consumers," despite the fact that a person is probably registering on the Do Not Call list because they aren't consumers.
      • by RobBebop (947356)

        Note that the fucktards at the FTC refer to people as "consumers," despite the fact that a person is probably registering on the Do Not Call list because they aren't consumers.

        Are you denying the fact that you consume? Perhaps you are a producer who has evolved beyond the point of needing to consume anything?

        I, for one welcome, our new over-production overlord, WK2. May his DNA defeat my own consumer DNA in the evolutionary battle for galactic supremacy.

  • Ok, so once this becomes permanant, hopefully they just use a dumb form to add a number to the list.. in which case... I'll give a bag of cookies to whoever writes the first perlscript to add every single number in existance to the database. I mean, thats only what, 000-0000 to 999-9999?
    • by WK2 (1072560)
      It's not quite a dumb form. You have to give them your email address, and I think there is a limit to the number of numbers that can be connected to one email address. However, you could probably manage to script the process. Keep in mind that there are 10 ^ 10 (10 billion) possible 10-digit phone number combinations in the U.S, and probably about a billion or so are active.
      • by Vegeta99 (219501)
        Not quite 10 billion numbers. Area code can't start with 0 and exchange can't start with 0 (you'd dial the operator) or 1 (you'd be indicating it was a long-distance call), and the exchange can't end in 11- (that is, your phone number can't be (570) 911-2345 OR (570) 611-2345). I think there are additional limitations
  • by CheshireCatCO (185193) on Thursday February 07, 2008 @06:19PM (#22341308) Homepage
    Now we need to do something about the telemarketing firms calling "on behalf" of non-profit organizations. This is still legal under the law (it seemed like a good idea: who doesn't love non-profits?), but it's being abused. The telemarketing companies keep an extraordinary fraction of the donations (over 50%, from what a local newspaper investigation found) so little of your money goes to the organization you're trying to help.

    One obvious solution is to only allow the non-profit exemption if more than, say, 90% of the donation goes right to the actual non-profit. That'll probably shut up the telemarketers because profit would no longer cover costs.
  • by Maltheus (248271) on Thursday February 07, 2008 @06:22PM (#22341328)
    The occasional person polling me for my opinions doesn't bother me at all. It's simple enough to hang up if I don't want to bother. But in the days before the Do Not Call List, I'd hardly ever bothered answering my phone if it got bad.

    Junk mail is far worse, IMO. You still have to sort through it to make sure you're not throwing anything important out. It usually just ends up turning my house into a mess because I don't have the time to deal with it all. At the very least, they could put those newspaper adverts in a bag or something. It's too easy to get that crap mixed in with real mail. I don't want anything that doesn't have my name on it (resident mailings), nor do I want credit card offers that can fuck me up if I don't dispose of them properly. I wish I could direct a private company to deliver my mail that won't having a problem stripping this stuff out for me.
    • by Bryansix (761547)

      I wish I could direct a private company to deliver my mail that won't having a problem stripping this stuff out for me.

      I'll do it for you. My fee is $30 an hour and I need to be paid W-2 for a minimum of 40 hours a week and oh ya, I need Health Insurance. This is a legitimate offer.
  • by Ender77 (551980) on Thursday February 07, 2008 @06:34PM (#22341532)
    The new telemarketers get around the do not call list by claiming they are taking surveys for products. I have been getting more and more calls for surveys lately for this or that product. I ask to be taken off the call list but they just say they are not telemarketers and ignore the request.
  • ... the DNC included charities, too. My wife doesn't like confrontations, doesn't like saying no, and can't bring herself to just say "Not interested" and hang up. We've also got a lot going on, what with our two-pound-six-ounce prematurely-born baby and all, so a lot of times the easiest way for her to get rid of them is to just say 'Yes.' In particular, the Florida Highway Patrol calls a lot. Actually, it's not really the FHP--any group that wants to collect money on their behalf can do so, so even if you
    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by Hatta (162192)
      My wife doesn't like... saying no,

      Tell me something I don't know.
    • by conlaw (983784)

      Oh, and they usually block their caller ID too... scumsucking turds. We wouldn't answer blocked calls at all except her family and some business contacts are in Europe and those numbers sometimes show up as 'unknown' too. It should be an absolute law that no company, organization, charity, or political party should be allowed to call with a blocked caller ID.

      There's definitely a federal regulation that applies here:

      47 CFR 64.1601 (e) and (e) (1)

      Any telemarketer must transmit caller identification, w

      • by sootman (158191)
        Thanks for the info. Googling your quote [google.com] turns up nothing but looking for the number brought me here: http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_03/47cfr64_03.html [gpo.gov]

        Looking at this [akamaitech.net], it says...

        Sec. 64.1601 Delivery requirements and privacy restrictions.
        * * * * *
        (e) Any person or entity that engages in telemarketing, as defined
        in section 64.1200(f)(7) must transmit caller identification
        information.
        ...
        (3) Tax-exempt nonprofit organizations are not required to comply
        with this paragraph.

        And looking for 64.1200(

  • Here you can get added to two lists, one for phone marketing and one for postal stuff to indicate you don't want to be contacted. You can also register with the Royal Mail not to receive the junk they sometimes insert too. Any firms who flout this get heavy fines. I believe there are some getouts marketeers can use but for years now I've had no more than 1 or 2 calls per year and maybe a bit of paper based junkmail per month.
  • I subscribed to some services from The Phone Company that ended my problems with telemarketing calls, even the ones that get through the Do Not Call list.
    1. Caller ID. That one's been mentioned by others.
    2. Privacy Manager. This one says if the caller doesn't have any Caller ID information, whether because they're blocking or because their exchange doesn't have that feature, your phone does not ring. They get a recorded message saying release the Caller ID information for this call, or say who they are. If
  • The people who send junk faxes behaved for awhile, but now ignore the law.

    It's been my experience that the phone solicitors are starting to ignore the donotcall registry too.

    Many are also not blocking caller-id now, since many phone companies allow you to automatically block unidentified callers.

    The problem in both laws is lack of enforcement by the GOV, and restricted options for individuals.

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