Mixed News on Wiretapping from 9th Circuit US Court 93
abb3w writes "The bad news: the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit has ruled (pdf) that the Al-Haramain lawyers may not submit into evidence their recollections of the top secret document handed to them detailing the warrantless electronic scrutiny they received. 'Once properly invoked and judicially blessed, the state secrets privilege is not a half-way proposition.' The good news: they have declined to answer and directed the lower court to consider whether 'FISA preempts the common law state secrets privilege' with respect to the underlying nature of the program itself ... which also keeps alive hopes for the EFF and ACLU to make those responsible answer for their actions."
Re:HALF-way (Score:4, Informative)
2. proposition - (logic) a statement that affirms or denies something and is either true or false
Either this is secret, or it is not. There's no half-way secret where they can put their second-hand recollections in evidence. Of all the various things I've heard, this is most sane. Now I'm sure some here would argue whether there should be "state secrets" or not, but the only sane way to implement it is that whoever is given access is restricted from passing it on. Otherwise you could memorize it, record it to tape or whatever - because it's not the actual classified document, it's not classified? What the hell kind of sense would that make?
Originalize This: (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Intentional Legislation Trumps Common Law. (Score:4, Informative)
"State Secrets" was formed as a dodge... (Score:5, Informative)
It's not bad news (Score:5, Informative)
All that aside, neither the govt nor the Al-Haramain lawyers actually want the top secret documents revealed. The govt because the information is top secret and would harm ongoing investigations; the Al-Haramain lawyers because even though the documents may prove standing the govt illegally wire-tapped them, would also show Al-Haramain's guilt in funding world-wide terrorism. Remember, copies of these documents were sent to Al-Haramain in Saudi Arabia - they could have been released already with no legal consequence by Al-Haramain in Saudi Arabia.
What Al-Haramain really wants is for the federal courts to restrict wire-tapping - any wire-tapping - as much as possible. Why? Take a wild guess.
Here is the best source for details about this conflict and Al-Haramain terrorism links.
http://www.zombietime.com/al-haramain_surveillance/ [zombietime.com]