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Surgeon General Describes Censorship From Bush Administration 805

UniversalVM writes "The NY Times is reporting that the former Surgeon General in damaging testimony given to the senate describes how he was repeatedly censored by the Bush administration while speaking out about topics such as global warming, Stem cell research and so on. The effort was to 'water down' or weaken reports on important issues to suit Republican Agenda. He describes how he attended one meeting where Global Warming was being described as a 'Liberal Agenda' and being dismissed. He tried to intervene thinking that the people there did not understand the science so he set about explaining it to them, the result? He was never invited back."
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Surgeon General Describes Censorship From Bush Administration

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  • If you want to help (Score:5, Informative)

    by Lord Ender ( 156273 ) on Wednesday July 11, 2007 @04:10PM (#19829535) Homepage
    Join Scientists and Engineers for America. They are "a non-profit organization dedicated to renewing respect for evidence-based debate and decision-making in politics and at all levels of government."

    If groups like that had the same sort of clout that religious groups have, America could remain the economic and philosophical leader of the world.

    Of course, if we continue to elect politicians who make decisions based on theology instead of science, it may be time to start looking for jobs in western europe.
  • by sammy baby ( 14909 ) on Wednesday July 11, 2007 @04:33PM (#19829875) Journal

    Wow! And the Clinton administration would let Dr. Carmona speak out of needle sharing programs for drug users. Remember Joycelyn Elders?


    Say it with me: "Clinton did it too."

    Look, it's for damn sure that I'd rather have Bubba back in the White House than Dubya, any day of the week, twice on Sunday. That doesn't mean that we agree with everything he did, especially where something like this is concerned.

    Nevertheless, I think it's pretty obvious that you haven't read the article, because:

    Dr. Carmona said he was ordered to mention President Bush three times on every page of his speeches. He also said he was asked to make speeches to support Republican political candidates and to attend political briefings.

    And administration officials even discouraged him from attending the Special Olympics because, he said, of that charitable organization's longtime ties to a "prominent family" that he refused to name.

    "I was specifically told by a senior person, 'Why would you want to help those people?' " Dr. Carmona said.

    The Special Olympics is one of the nation's premier charitable organizations to benefit disabled people, and the Kennedys have long been deeply involved in it.

    When asked after the hearing if that "prominent family" was the Kennedys, Dr. Carmona responded, "You said it. I didn't."


    You know what? That's it. Messing with the Special Olympics? Screw you guys. I already thought that this administration was severely morally challenged, but I had no idea they could be so, abso-fucking-lutely small.
  • Re:Hmmm... (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 11, 2007 @04:36PM (#19829945)
    Whoever modded this down apparently has never studied history. The US has always held itself as "the best nation" and bullied all other nations that disagreed. Look up "manifest destiny" (which is alive and well in the "project for a new American[sic] Century"), look up the Spanish-American[sic] war, look up just about any list of US history. The US has always been the bully, ever since it went to war over tea taxes.
  • by N8F8 ( 4562 ) on Wednesday July 11, 2007 @04:38PM (#19829979)
    Serving in one of America's seven uniformed services, the SG serves the people at the pleasure of the President (Executive). He's there to take orders and perform assigned duties, not promote his personal agenda. If he wanted to be a politician there are plenty of offices he can get himself elected to. If he wants to create Koop2.com or whatever he can resign and go into the civilian sector.
  • by Jeremi ( 14640 ) on Wednesday July 11, 2007 @04:38PM (#19829989) Homepage
    But why didn't he say anything BEFORE?! Same thing with Colin Powell and the Army generals. You should say something while you hold the office.


    I agree, it's much more honorable and brave to speak out while you are still in office, rather than waiting until you have little left to lose anyway. That said, perhaps more people will do that now... for example here [denverpost.com] is an op-ed piece by a (non-retired) Department of Justice attorney speaking out about the unacceptable degradation of that department under the Bush administration. If enough people like this speak out at once, Bush can't possibly smear/fire/silence all of them. (err, can he?)

  • Re:Global warming? (Score:5, Informative)

    by Glog ( 303500 ) on Wednesday July 11, 2007 @04:42PM (#19830057)

    Why is the Surgeon General talking about global warming?
    What a patently silly question! Have we forgotten the hundreds if not thousands of people who died of the heat waves in the last few years in Europe. How about the coal plants spewing toxic gases - this not only contributes to the heating of the atmosphere but is a public health menace of significant proportions.

    Do we even need to point out how global weather is closely related to the public health of individuals?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 11, 2007 @04:50PM (#19830179)
    The USA also looked the other way when recruiting (in)famous Nazi scientists for use in such things as rocket development.
  • by TheGeneration ( 228855 ) on Wednesday July 11, 2007 @05:12PM (#19830559) Journal
    As I recall, it was her comments about sex and masturbation that lost her the job. The same people censoring the current Surgeon General were so shocked and offended that someone would suggest masturbation is a healthy activity for youth that they made such a big deal out of it. So Clinton made a political decision to minimize the damage and have her resign.

    Exactly, let's not forget it was the Republicans that threw that Tantrum against Elders that caused her to resign. Just like it's the Republicans now fighting off reality with every last bit of energy they have by forcing a Surgeon General to omit science from the discussion.
  • by ArcherB ( 796902 ) * on Wednesday July 11, 2007 @05:17PM (#19830645) Journal
    You know what? That's it. Messing with the Special Olympics? Screw you guys. I already thought that this administration was severely morally challenged, but I had no idea they could be so, abso-fucking-lutely small.

    I found it odd that Dr. Carmona said such a thing. It doesn't really pass the smell test and seems to rank pretty high on my Bullshit meter. Here's why: [whitehouse.gov]

    THE PRESIDENT: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for coming. Mrs. Shriver, and Special Olympics athletes; friends and family. Mr. President -- the President of Iceland has joined us -- proud you're here, President Grimsson. And First Lady of Panama, First Lady Torrijos is with us, as well. We've got members of the Congress and members of the Senate. Laura and I are glad you all are here. Welcome to this special occasion.

    We're here to celebrate the Special Olympics, and to honor a woman who made them possible -- Eunice Kennedy Shriver. (Applause.) And we're here to celebrate her birthday. (Laughter.)

    In a moment we'll hear from this woman who has made it her life's work to create opportunities for people with intellectual disabilities. She founded the Special Olympics in 1968, to get people with intellectual disabilities the chance to develop physical fitness, to create friendships, and experience the joy of sports competition and achievement. Today the Special Olympics includes more than 2.25 million athletes in 150 countries. The games have become a source -- (applause.) The games have become a source of unity and excitement for its participants. They've helped raise awareness of the challenges facing those with intellectual disabilities.

    America upholds the values of every person and the possibilities of every life. And the Special Olympics are an example of America at its best. We share with the entire world the spirit of joy and kindness that the Special Olympics brings.

    If you ever had any doubt about how much good one person can do, look no further than this kind and gracious lady. On this special occasion, I ask you to join me in a toast to the Special Olympics, and to Eunice Kennedy Shriver, and to her contributions to our nation -- past, present, and future. God bless.
  • (+5, Informative) (Score:5, Informative)

    by Scrameustache ( 459504 ) on Wednesday July 11, 2007 @05:27PM (#19830781) Homepage Journal

    Bill Hall, a spokesman for the Department of Health and Human Services, said that the administration disagreed with Dr. Carmona's statements. "It has always been this administration's position that public health policy should be rooted in sound science," Mr. Hall said.
    BWAHAHAHAHA.... wait, he's serious?
    "sound science" is a codeword, it doesn't mean what you think it means:
    "The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition (TASSC), an organization that was covertly created by Philip Morris for the express purpose of generating scientific controversy regarding the link between secondhand smoke and cancer [prwatch.org]."

    They have recently been mostly funded by the oil lobby for the express purpose of... well, you can deduce that last bit.
  • Re:Hmmm... (Score:2, Informative)

    by Pojut ( 1027544 ) on Wednesday July 11, 2007 @06:18PM (#19831487) Homepage
    Fuck you.

    I'm an American. I'm proud to say that I'm American. I love my country.

    I DESPISE the way my country is run, and I despise the people that run it. Democrat, Republican, it doesn't matter. Hell, the letters after a name are half the problem as it is.

    More Americans hate the way things are going than you think, bucko...don't discredit all of us just because the morons have the bullhorns.
  • by Knara ( 9377 ) on Wednesday July 11, 2007 @06:33PM (#19831675)
    This isn't just a slashdot thing, it's an American political culture epidemic since the start of the Bush II administration. Fark (before its recent degradation into its watered down incarnation) forums had long pointed out the "B-b-b-ut Clinton!" strawman retort.
  • by Pentagram ( 40862 ) on Wednesday July 11, 2007 @07:59PM (#19832573) Homepage

    I guess by what I wrote you can tell that I am on the fence with global warming being anthropogenic (and will be for about 10 years, or however long it will take to make sure the Sun isn't the culprit)
    Newsflash! New research shows the Sun *isn't* the culprit [bbc.co.uk].
  • Re:Story of my life (Score:5, Informative)

    by NeutronCowboy ( 896098 ) on Wednesday July 11, 2007 @09:07PM (#19833141)
    Who the hell modded this informative??

    #1 Local weather stations aren't the only input.
    #2 Very few are actually at airports - and airports (aerodromes) were tarmac based since after WW1.
    #3 Being within 30 feet of an AC exhaust (especially small window based ones) means squat for the local temperature.
    #4 Local encroachment does not yield a small but systematic increase in temperature - it yields spikes.
    #5 Average temperature readings from a population of sensors cancel out local variations.
    #6 A systematic temperature increase is a systematic temperature increase, regardless of source.

    Yes, the individual sensors record the heat-island effect that is found in urban environments. Congratulations. You found out something that is 15 years old. Yes, urban environments are warmer than non-urban environments.

    However, you are an idiot if you believe that you are the first to think of this. Not only that, but carefully check the trend of both graphs shown on the homepage: after 1950, they both trend upward. And that's the key part: regardless of where you are, where you look at, temperature trends are on the up tick. Steadily. Some parts see heavier up ticks than others. But the end result is the same: things are getting warmer.

    Local construction does play a part, but it merely exacerbates a trend that shows up everywhere you look.
  • Re:We should... (Score:5, Informative)

    by TapeCutter ( 624760 ) on Wednesday July 11, 2007 @10:26PM (#19833767) Journal
    Al Gore did not come up with the information in his movie, the IPCC did. What I would like to know is who do people who poo-poo Gore think we should listen too?

    Jim Hansen [wikipedia.org] does know a thing or two about climate, yet he also recieved similar treatment.

    For the record: Gore originally attacked Hansen's assertions on climate change in the senate, Hansen and NOAA are both contributors to the IPCC reports.

    "...we should question why anybody listens to Al Gore on the subject"

    No we shouldn't, I listened to you and you have ZERO credibility. Science has no political or personal boundries, that is what TFA is all about.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 11, 2007 @10:42PM (#19833879)
    Anal sex is common in pre-literate societies and has been frequently observed among primates (especially bonobos). According to this Wikipedia article [wikipedia.org], it has been observed among many hundreds of species, and "No species has been found in which homosexual behavior has not been shown to exist, with the exception of species that never have sex at all".
  • by TapeCutter ( 624760 ) on Thursday July 12, 2007 @02:50AM (#19835155) Journal
    Well said.

    Just for the record, the "urban heat island" is a well documented phenomena [realclimate.org] that has already been accounted for, but there is always room for improvement in the estimation of such a difficult bias to measure.

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