National ID May Have Killed Immigration Bill 481
News.com reports that the immigration reform bill bouncing around in the Senate for the last few weeks has finally been defeated. The site speculates that, perhaps, one of the reasons it was finally defeated was a measure intended to expand the use of Real ID cards. If passed, the bill would have effectively turned the Real ID system into a National ID card. "The American Civil Liberties Union, another longtime foe of Real ID, said the Real ID requirements were a 'poison pill that derailed this bill, and any future legislation should be written knowing the American people won't swallow it.' Another section of the immigration bill would have given $1.5 billion to state officials to pay for Real ID compliance. Even if the immigration bill is goes nowhere, however, the Real ID Act is still in effect. It says, starting on May 11, 2008, Americans will need a federally-approved ID card to travel on an airplane, open a bank account, collect Social Security payments or take advantage of nearly any government service." As we've discussed before, several states have rebelled against the implementation of Real ID.
The NAZIS want to control you, (Score:2, Informative)
Revolution is coming
BS, the "Real ID" part was stripped out (Score:3, Informative)
The immigration bill died because Americans literally melted down the Senate's phone system because they don't want to grant amnesty now for border enforcement later since it's well known that the government has NO interest whatsoever in doing this.
The support for the legalization of criminal illegal aliens comes both from the far left (who sees a low skilled, uneducated underclass they can entice into a voting block with welfare programs) and the far right (who sees cheap labor that they can use to artificially depress wages). Polls show that 80% of the country opposes it.
Re:What's wrong with a national ID card? (Score:3, Informative)
In many other states, you have to prove that you're a legal resident of the state you're applying for the Drivers License in, which can involve showing them your birth certificate, Passport, Green Card, or Consular Report of Birth Abroad (equivalent of a Birth Certificate for children born to U.S. parents outside the borders of the U.S.), as well as evidence that you're actually a resident of the state itself (to keep people from double-registering), and I don't have any problem with that. But the fingerprinting seems intensely creepy.
Also, I don't know where you got the fingerprinting requirement for a Passport, but that's likewise not true. Again, you need to prove both identity and citizenship, but I've had a Passport for years and I've never been fingerprinted.
[1] And even there, I think it's creepy, and mostly only a feature of fairly liberal states/counties that are doing it as a bureaucratic hurdle to discourage people from applying for CCWs. That's definitely how it works in VA.
Re:SOOOO NOT TRUE (Score:1, Informative)
I watched the proceedings on CSPAN2 all yesterday morning, and the fact of the matter was that the bill was a chinese fire drill, and musical chairs being played all at the same time!!
Boxer, Reid and Kennedy were constantly touting and demanding the need for this that and the other thing and immediate passage, and the Republicans kept asking to see the new bill with the amendments incorporated in its entirety, and when they asked for a full vote for the bill to be read before the final vote, one of the three would object... SO BASICALLY THEY WANTED THE SENATE TO VOTE ON A BILL WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT WAS IN IT!! The bill was constantly being rewritten from day to day, know one other than the Democrats writing it, knew what was in it at any given time.
A clear lesson to be learned here is don't believe the soundbites you see in the news regardless of what or who is reporting it... when you see it live and for yourself, you get a wholly different perspective on what is happening in Washington, and it clearly sounds like some shell games are being played here... and apparently in the best interest of a select few, and DEFINITELY NOT what's good for the country!
Good Day,
Juggernaut
Re:NOT true (Score:3, Informative)
Sadly, they did fold like a bunch of zombies over speed limits when the feds threatened to pull highway funding.
Re:Did I miss a day of school? (Score:5, Informative)
With this bill, everybody would be de facto required to have such an ID or be jailed and deported. With this bill, nobody could get a job, marry, or vote without a REAL ID. Again, to merely live here, you would have to get an ID of the approved list.
Re:BS, the "Real ID" part was stripped out (Score:2, Informative)
I have one. A modern day version of the "green card". It took me two years to get it, I've been finger printed and digitally photographed twice. I spent $2000 dollars on a lawyer to handle the paper work. I had to create a LLC company to get a bank account b'c I didn't have an SSN whilst being processed. I also payed taxes twice on my foriegn incoming for a brief period ( I was employed by a UK company as a contractor, but had to pay taxes in the U.S too - without the right to vote - taxation without representation should mean something to anybody who didn't skip history class ). Oh, and it also cost me near on $1k in gubberment fees.
The immigration system is broken - but RealID is not the answer, as I say, there already is one. It's expensive, complicated but exists - and I'm engineer and couldn't even begin to figure out how to fake one of the resident alien cards.
On another note - It's legal B.S. that stops me from being a citizen ( I have to wait another 3 years before I can even apply ). Personally I consider myself to be an American ( not a English-American or other such **** ). I would happily stand in congress, renounce any claim to the U.K and pledge allegiance to the flag.
Immigration is full of crap - no idea what's going on - more and more rules. Please, everybody who can vote, see this for the issue it really is - gubberment creating chaos to create departments to emply friends.
Just build the goddamn fence already. No other crap, if America cannot enforce it's own borders, it stops being a nation - the founding fathers are watching ya'll - and they ain't happy!
Re:How Cliché (Score:3, Informative)
Not true. The way to dry up the jobs for illegals is to fine and imprison the folks that hire illegals. These laws already exist on the books. All they have to do is enforce it. Enforcement was never all that strong under Clinton, but it completely disappeared under Bush.
Here's the law:
http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/osc/ref/8usc1324a.htm [usdoj.gov]
Who's Fault is it, really? (Score:3, Informative)
"This amnesty will give citizenship to only 1.1 to 1.3 million illegal aliens. We will secure the borders henceforth. We will never again bring forward another amnesty bill like this." Ted Kennedy, 1986, in support of the The Immigration Reform and Control Act
"Now it is time for action. 2007 is the year we must fix our broken system." Ted Kennedy, 2007